Which is it? CDZ Poll and Discussion

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Mueller...lmfao.

That's more than Trump has or do you not understand how our system works?

 

[gipper]

Mueller...lmfao.

That's more than Trump has or do you not understand how our system works?

Mueller is an elitist establishment asshole. I don’t believe people like that.

 

[Chuz Life]

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Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

 

[Coyote]

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Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Far as "the 2016 being corrupt or stolen":
In terms of the D vs R rat race, it wasn't.. but the whole business still stinks regardless. We are entitled to much better so must demand it.
In terms of internal corruption, both Ds and Rs had major issues. Both continue to suck bigly. We are entitled to much better so must demand it.

 

[Chuz Life]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

CDZ Rules apply.

Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

 

[Coyote]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

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Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

Again, there is a process and it was followed. No evidence of either fraud or fraudulent votes upon which to base your demand.

 

[Coyote]

Far as "the 2016 being corrupt or stolen":
In terms of the D vs R rat race, it wasn't.. but the whole business still stinks regardless. We are entitled to much better so must demand it.
In terms of internal corruption, both Ds and Rs had major issues. Both continue to suck bigly. We are entitled to much better so must demand it.

We need more parties.

 

[Grumblenuts]

We need more parties.

Yeah, #1 is eating. No wonder we're so fat. Toe Guh! Toe Guh!

 

[Chuz Life]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

CDZ Rules apply.

Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

Again, there is a process and it was followed. No evidence of either fraud or fraudulent votes upon which to base your demand.

NONE?


2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

Two men in Los Angeles County were arrested and charged with voter fraud after investigators say they submitted thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications on behalf of homeless people.

kmph.com

Just the tip of an iceberg.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

CDZ Rules apply.

Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

Again, there is a process and it was followed. No evidence of either fraud or fraudulent votes upon which to base your demand.

NONE?


2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

Two men in Los Angeles County were arrested and charged with voter fraud after investigators say they submitted thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications on behalf of homeless people.

kmph.com

Just the tip of an iceberg.

And it was caught. Therefore was not a factor in the election. But you will notice that it doesn't say what party they were supporting.

Besides, in LA County, 8000 votes either way would have zero affect on any single election.

 

[Chuz Life]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

CDZ Rules apply.

Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

Again, there is a process and it was followed. No evidence of either fraud or fraudulent votes upon which to base your demand.

NONE?


2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

Two men in Los Angeles County were arrested and charged with voter fraud after investigators say they submitted thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications on behalf of homeless people.

kmph.com

Just the tip of an iceberg.

And it was caught. Therefore was not a factor in the election. But you will notice that it doesn't say what party they were supporting.

Besides, in LA County, 8000 votes either way would have zero affect on any single election.

She said that there was NO fraud.

It's pretty easy to prove against an abosolutist's claim like that. It only takes one example.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Murder!
Oh geez, calm down. There was no murder.
Lookie, "2 charged with murder in Southern California"
Charged? Seriously? That's all ya got?
Just the tip of an iceberg.
Your iceberg needs a circumcizor.. stat!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Mod note: Hot retail political topics still warring on the boards are NEVER good CDZ topics.. And there are a dozens of threads ALREADY open and active on this topic..

CDZ Rules apply.

Please vote in the poll and then let's have a discussion about the EVIDENCE between these two specific topics.

1. The evidence that supports the (Left's) claim that the 2016 Presidential Election was corrupt and stolen from the Dems, because of Russian influence and Trump's alleged "collusion" WITH Russia.

2. The evidence that supports the (Right's) claim that the 2020Presidential Election was corrupted by voter fraud, manipulation of the polls, rigged voter machines, etc.

I don't recall the left (as in the Dem politicians and mainstream) claiming the 2016 election was "corrupt". That's kind of a non-starter right off the bat.

#2 is just baseless. Zero evidence.

Doesn't the word "collusion" ring the smallest of bells for you?

Again, I didn't hear anything about the 2016 being corrupt or stolen, certainly not like I hear now with actual elected officials echoing the baseless claim.

On collusion - it was a fair concern based on multiple contacts with Russian officials, that were lied about by multiple people in the campaign and Trump himself. It doesn't mean there was collusion, but given the knowledge we already had about Russian activities - it had merit enough for investigation.

In elections we have a legal process for resolving disputes that every candidate has recourse to and that we have long accepted as valid. The process has over and over and over, every step of the way, confirmed there was no systemic fraud in this election, yet you continue to make these baseless claims and attempt to overthrow what the process as determined to be a fair and uncorrupt election. The fact that in 60 some court cases, recounts, and certifications no evidence of system fraud was found ought to indicate that there is far less (as in zero) evidence.

If you recount any number of votes (fraudulent votes included) one would expect for the count to remain the same, everytime. A recount and certification does not an audit and investigation make.

Again, there is a process and it was followed. No evidence of either fraud or fraudulent votes upon which to base your demand.

NONE?


2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

2 charged with voter fraud in Southern California

Two men in Los Angeles County were arrested and charged with voter fraud after investigators say they submitted thousands of fraudulent voter registration applications on behalf of homeless people.

kmph.com

Just the tip of an iceberg.

And it was caught. Therefore was not a factor in the election. But you will notice that it doesn't say what party they were supporting.

Besides, in LA County, 8000 votes either way would have zero affect on any single election.

She said that there was NO fraud.

It's pretty easy to prove against an abosolutist's claim like that. It only takes one example.

The reports are all saying the same thing, and those are what the courts listen to. Not enough fraud, mistakes, etc. to affect the election in any way. So far, the biggest fraud found has been by the Republicans and it's not enough to affect the outcome of the elections. You Rumpsters can't even do that right.