Who are the real Nazis?

[Votto]

True:

"Since you were a schoolchild, you have been told that Nazism and fascism were “right-wing” ideologies. You have been told that left-wingers hate fascism, that they reject racism, totalitarianism, militarism, and all of fascism’s other constituent ideological parts. But this has been a calculated falsehood. In fact, the progressive left have always been the real Nazis. And they have covered it up by using Adolf Hitler’s infamous concept of the Big Lie, the lie so “colossal” that nobody would believe anybody “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” The progressive left calls the other side Nazis to disguise the fact that they, themselves, are Nazis. Every time a progressive accuses another party of fascistic behavior, it will be the progressives themselves who have acted like fascists. They call President Trump a fascist to disguise their own fascism. But fascism has always been fundamentally left-wing, and American conservatives must get serious about eliminating the threats posed by the Nazis in our midst, i.e. the left. "

And now that the leftists have caught on, they're accusing us of calling them nazis in order to perpetrate a lie..but in reality, they ARE the nazis.

Who Are The Real Nazis? | Current Affairs

So, according to you, FDR and Stalin were right-wingers fighting the evil liberal Nazis?

You are one seriously twisted sister!

Stop with the labels.

The forms of government both took were centralized dictatorships.

Got it?

 

[Richard-H]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Nationalism is a form of collectivism. To centralize the state, nationalism is used to consolidate power within the state.

Ironically, today Nationalism stands in the way of collectivists as they strive to create a One World Order. Now we must tear down borders now that nationalism has collectivized states around the globe. Those that focus on country today are seen as anti-collectivist.

I would even say that the Nazi regime was not really focused on nationalism. No, they wanted the entire world. Nationalism, like Socialism, were merely tools to that end.

In fact, I would even argue that Jewish hatred was rooted in the fact that the Jewish people were a minority and socioeconomically upwardly mobile. They simply arrested them, took their gold, and sent them off to die. The money was then used for the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world.

All in all, to root out evil just assess the greed and quest for power. There was really nothing special about the Nazi ideology other than the fact that at least Hitler recognized the futility of the state running industry. After all, would you hire a lawyer to operate on you medically? Just leave the professionals in place and simply manipulate them is the key. Then using corporate money you will be that much closer to your goals.

Socialism was just used to quell uprisings like they had during WW1, like I mentioned before.

Again, I don't think any dictator who is a socialist is a socialist for the good of the people. It's just for power and as Hitler has shown, people will look the other way when it comes to corruption and genocide if you just grease their wheels and fill their pockets full of money, which is why socialism to me is terrifying.

First, Hitler never stated an intention to take over the whole world. His goal was to avenge WWI, and to conquer a large part of Russia of German expansion and for the resources.

Hatred of Jews in Germany stemmed from two things: Most Germans were Lutherian. Martin Luther, who had worked as a missionary to Jews when he was young, hated Jews and made no secret about it.

Secondly, Jews were seen as part of the Liberal educated elite. These people were blamed for overthrowing the Kaiser, for the defeat of WWI, for the Versailles treaty, for the imposition of Democracy and the economic destruction of Germany.

I STRONGLY suggest that if you have Netflix, watch 'Babylon Berlin'. (You'd better have a strong stomach). It's an incredibly accurate depiction of Germany in 1929 - before the rise of the Nazis. It'll give you a much better idea of why the Nazis rose to power.

How can you say that socialism was used to quell the uprisings of WWI? The uprisings consisted of people who were anti-monarchy. They had a potpourri of political views. It was the monarchists and nationalists the quelled the uprisings.

So Hitler only wanted to take over Europe and Russia?

Why then did he declare war on the US?

I suggest that instead of watching the History channel, a channel that has stories about UFO's existing, you actually pick up a book and learn something like this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Beneficiaries-Plunder-Racial-Welfare/dp/0805087265&tag=ff0d01-20

Try reading a historian who has done the research.

Again, Hitler was indeed concerned about uprisings during the war that happened during WW1 due to poor living standards. I don't know of any historians who have not agreed with that.

And yes, Martin Luther joined the anti-Jew hysteria of his day. I would argue, though, that it had nothing to do with Christianity since it contradicted everything Jesus taught and stood for. He simply assimilated to the culture.

Hitler never had any intention of invading Britain, much less the U.S.

The war with Britain started because the British declared war on Germany. He declared war on the U.S. because he knew that the U.S. was supplying Britain with weapons - and becuse he was honor bound to support his Japanese allies.

He believed that he could win the war with the U.S. by simply destroying the American merchant fleet in our own harbors (which actually came very close to working). He wanted to stop U.S. shipments to Britain.

FDR begged the U.S. press not to publish the fact that U.S. ships were being sunk in our own harbors and that thousands of U.S. merchant sailors were being killed. It took a while before the U.S. developed anti-submarine warfare tactics that stopped the Nazi submarines.

BUT, Hitler had ABSOLUTELY no intention of invading the U.S.

 

[Richard-H]

True:

"Since you were a schoolchild, you have been told that Nazism and fascism were “right-wing” ideologies. You have been told that left-wingers hate fascism, that they reject racism, totalitarianism, militarism, and all of fascism’s other constituent ideological parts. But this has been a calculated falsehood. In fact, the progressive left have always been the real Nazis. And they have covered it up by using Adolf Hitler’s infamous concept of the Big Lie, the lie so “colossal” that nobody would believe anybody “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously.” The progressive left calls the other side Nazis to disguise the fact that they, themselves, are Nazis. Every time a progressive accuses another party of fascistic behavior, it will be the progressives themselves who have acted like fascists. They call President Trump a fascist to disguise their own fascism. But fascism has always been fundamentally left-wing, and American conservatives must get serious about eliminating the threats posed by the Nazis in our midst, i.e. the left. "

And now that the leftists have caught on, they're accusing us of calling them nazis in order to perpetrate a lie..but in reality, they ARE the nazis.

Who Are The Real Nazis? | Current Affairs

So, according to you, FDR and Stalin were right-wingers fighting the evil liberal Nazis?

You are one seriously twisted sister!

Stop with the labels.

The forms of government both took were centralized dictatorships.

Got it?

Should I stop using words entirely?

Is it that when words are the ones you don;t like that you tell people to stop using them?

I guess you certainly would know about authoritarianism!

 

[Richard-H]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Nationalism is a form of collectivism. To centralize the state, nationalism is used to consolidate power within the state.

Ironically, today Nationalism stands in the way of collectivists as they strive to create a One World Order. Now we must tear down borders now that nationalism has collectivized states around the globe. Those that focus on country today are seen as anti-collectivist.

I would even say that the Nazi regime was not really focused on nationalism. No, they wanted the entire world. Nationalism, like Socialism, were merely tools to that end.

In fact, I would even argue that Jewish hatred was rooted in the fact that the Jewish people were a minority and socioeconomically upwardly mobile. They simply arrested them, took their gold, and sent them off to die. The money was then used for the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world.

All in all, to root out evil just assess the greed and quest for power. There was really nothing special about the Nazi ideology other than the fact that at least Hitler recognized the futility of the state running industry. After all, would you hire a lawyer to operate on you medically? Just leave the professionals in place and simply manipulate them is the key. Then using corporate money you will be that much closer to your goals.

Socialism was just used to quell uprisings like they had during WW1, like I mentioned before.

Again, I don't think any dictator who is a socialist is a socialist for the good of the people. It's just for power and as Hitler has shown, people will look the other way when it comes to corruption and genocide if you just grease their wheels and fill their pockets full of money, which is why socialism to me is terrifying.

First, Hitler never stated an intention to take over the whole world. His goal was to avenge WWI, and to conquer a large part of Russia of German expansion and for the resources.

Hatred of Jews in Germany stemmed from two things: Most Germans were Lutherian. Martin Luther, who had worked as a missionary to Jews when he was young, hated Jews and made no secret about it.

Secondly, Jews were seen as part of the Liberal educated elite. These people were blamed for overthrowing the Kaiser, for the defeat of WWI, for the Versailles treaty, for the imposition of Democracy and the economic destruction of Germany.

I STRONGLY suggest that if you have Netflix, watch 'Babylon Berlin'. (You'd better have a strong stomach). It's an incredibly accurate depiction of Germany in 1929 - before the rise of the Nazis. It'll give you a much better idea of why the Nazis rose to power.

How can you say that socialism was used to quell the uprisings of WWI? The uprisings consisted of people who were anti-monarchy. They had a potpourri of political views. It was the monarchists and nationalists the quelled the uprisings.

So Hitler only wanted to take over Europe and Russia?

Why then did he declare war on the US?

I suggest that instead of watching the History channel, a channel that has stories about UFO's existing, you actually pick up a book and learn something like this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Beneficiaries-Plunder-Racial-Welfare/dp/0805087265&tag=ff0d01-20

Try reading a historian who has done the research.

Again, Hitler was indeed concerned about uprisings during the war that happened during WW1 due to poor living standards. I don't know of any historians who have not agreed with that.

And yes, Martin Luther joined the anti-Jew hysteria of his day. I would argue, though, that it had nothing to do with Christianity since it contradicted everything Jesus taught and stood for. He simply assimilated to the culture.

Also, Hitler was a young soldier during the uprisings in the first World war. I'm sure he was as concerned about them as every other soldier of the line.

Later he was concerned about them because they were primarily led by liberals, socialist and communist - all of whom he despised.

He arrested liberals, socialists, communists and labor leaders long before he started arresting Jews.

 

[Votto]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Nationalism is a form of collectivism. To centralize the state, nationalism is used to consolidate power within the state.

Ironically, today Nationalism stands in the way of collectivists as they strive to create a One World Order. Now we must tear down borders now that nationalism has collectivized states around the globe. Those that focus on country today are seen as anti-collectivist.

I would even say that the Nazi regime was not really focused on nationalism. No, they wanted the entire world. Nationalism, like Socialism, were merely tools to that end.

In fact, I would even argue that Jewish hatred was rooted in the fact that the Jewish people were a minority and socioeconomically upwardly mobile. They simply arrested them, took their gold, and sent them off to die. The money was then used for the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world.

All in all, to root out evil just assess the greed and quest for power. There was really nothing special about the Nazi ideology other than the fact that at least Hitler recognized the futility of the state running industry. After all, would you hire a lawyer to operate on you medically? Just leave the professionals in place and simply manipulate them is the key. Then using corporate money you will be that much closer to your goals.

Socialism was just used to quell uprisings like they had during WW1, like I mentioned before.

Again, I don't think any dictator who is a socialist is a socialist for the good of the people. It's just for power and as Hitler has shown, people will look the other way when it comes to corruption and genocide if you just grease their wheels and fill their pockets full of money, which is why socialism to me is terrifying.

First, Hitler never stated an intention to take over the whole world. His goal was to avenge WWI, and to conquer a large part of Russia of German expansion and for the resources.

Hatred of Jews in Germany stemmed from two things: Most Germans were Lutherian. Martin Luther, who had worked as a missionary to Jews when he was young, hated Jews and made no secret about it.

Secondly, Jews were seen as part of the Liberal educated elite. These people were blamed for overthrowing the Kaiser, for the defeat of WWI, for the Versailles treaty, for the imposition of Democracy and the economic destruction of Germany.

I STRONGLY suggest that if you have Netflix, watch 'Babylon Berlin'. (You'd better have a strong stomach). It's an incredibly accurate depiction of Germany in 1929 - before the rise of the Nazis. It'll give you a much better idea of why the Nazis rose to power.

How can you say that socialism was used to quell the uprisings of WWI? The uprisings consisted of people who were anti-monarchy. They had a potpourri of political views. It was the monarchists and nationalists the quelled the uprisings.

So Hitler only wanted to take over Europe and Russia?

Why then did he declare war on the US?

I suggest that instead of watching the History channel, a channel that has stories about UFO's existing, you actually pick up a book and learn something like this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Beneficiaries-Plunder-Racial-Welfare/dp/0805087265&tag=ff0d01-20

Try reading a historian who has done the research.

Again, Hitler was indeed concerned about uprisings during the war that happened during WW1 due to poor living standards. I don't know of any historians who have not agreed with that.

And yes, Martin Luther joined the anti-Jew hysteria of his day. I would argue, though, that it had nothing to do with Christianity since it contradicted everything Jesus taught and stood for. He simply assimilated to the culture.

Hitler never had any intention of invading Britain, much less the U.S.

The war with Britain started because the British declared war on Germany. He declared war on the U.S. because he knew that the U.S. was supplying Britain with weapons - and becuse he was honor bound to support his Japanese allies.

He believed that he could win the war with the U.S. by simply destroying the American merchant fleet in our own harbors (which actually came very close to working). He wanted to stop U.S. shipments to Britain.

FDR begged the U.S. press not to publish the fact that U.S. ships were being sunk in our own harbors and that thousands of U.S. merchant sailors were being killed. It took a while before the U.S. developed anti-submarine warfare tactics that stopped the Nazi submarines.

BUT, Hitler had ABSOLUTELY no intention of invading the U.S.

There is some truth in what you say, but again, I implore you to pick up a reputable history book.

Hitler assumed that the United States would be unable to field armies right away and that they wouldn't be able to enter the fray until 1942/1943, which in Hitler's mind was more than enough time to deal with both the USSR and Britain. Hitler foresaw some grand struggle between the New World, led by the USA, and the Old World led by Germany. It was imagined that Germany would force England into a peace treaty and than the two would ally against the common threat in America; with Britain's navy being key to attacking the Americans. Here is a quote from Hitler on the matter:

If America lends her help to England, it is with the secret thought of bringing the moment nearer when she will reap her inheritance. I shall no longer be there to see it, but I rejoice on behalf of the German people at the idea that one day we will see England and Germany marching together against America. Germany and England will know what each of them can expect of her partner, and then we shall have found the ally whom we need. They have an unexampled cheek, these English! It doesn't prevent me from admiring them. In this sphere, they still have a lot to teach us

Hitler viewed the English as racially pure and the US as a mixed breed of inferiors. As a result, he did not want to fight the UK, but he did and he would have taken it if given the chance.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Fascism is nothing more than national socialism.
You partisans and your constant bullshit bickering is getting so goddamn old...
"fascism is left wing"
"fascism is right wing you NAZI fuck!!"
Who gives a shit either way? Its fucking tyranny REGARDLESS

It is tyranny. And to fully understand the rise of European fascism one must understand the conditions that led to its rise.

Dare to list a bunch of dictatorships / authoritarian regimes which didn't kill as much as the Capitalist, Individualist, Democracies of the USA, or the British Empire?

The list is enormous, and includes Mussolini, Franco, Fidel Castro,Gaddafi, Horthy, Saddam Hussein, Jozef Pilsudski, Josef Beck, Assad, Kim Jung Un, Peron, Kruschev, Metaxas,Gorbachev, Mugabe, Pinochet, among numerous others.

 

[Votto]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Fascism is nothing more than national socialism.
You partisans and your constant bullshit bickering is getting so goddamn old...
"fascism is left wing"
"fascism is right wing you NAZI fuck!!"
Who gives a shit either way? Its fucking tyranny REGARDLESS

It is tyranny. And to fully understand the rise of European fascism one must understand the conditions that led to its rise.

Dare to list a bunch of dictatorships / authoritarian regimes which didn't kill as much as the Capitalist, Individualist, Democracies of the USA, or the British Empire?

The list is enormous, and includes Mussolini, Franco, Fidel Castro,Gaddafi, Horthy, Saddam Hussein, Jozef Pilsudski, Josef Beck, Assad, Kim Jung Un, Peron, Kruschev, Metaxas,Gorbachev, Mugabe, Pinochet, among numerous others.

Some merely survive longer than others.

 

[Indeependent]

People at Berkeley who didn't want Ben Shapiro to speak are Fascists. Plain and simple. There is zero dispute over this. Unless you can explain to me their reasoning to deny him his first amendment rights and their fellow students at the University who wanted to hear him speak and perhaps debate him? Intollerance for the sake of intollerance is a form of fascism.

Then you don't know what fascism is...

you should also remember exactly who the 1a limits -- the government -- it doesn't guarantee you that other citizens won't take action against your BS covert racism -- and its funny you Trump cucks are all upset over Ben Shapiro -- since you same Trump cucks hurl plenty of Anti-Semitism at Ben for saying mean things about Trump -- so spare me

Ben Shapiro Can't Save The GOP | Dan From The Internet

What did you just call me? Are you serious? You want to go down to the gutter its fine with me.

#1) I am Jewish so your words are plain and simple WAR against me. Take it how you want to. I know fascism very well. You don't understand the operational definition even though I just provided a portion of it for you. So now I am a Jewish anti-semite? Are you kidding me?

#2) I am not a Republican. I am an Indendent. I think with logic. Something you lack. Same as courage, you lack that too.

#3) Ben Shapiro was an example I gave. The same group protested Bill Maher too.

#4) I find the Alt Right Republicans abhorrent. But I find you equally abhorrent.

With all due respect.

The Alt Right Republicans are a figment of the left's imagination. Don't believe the garbage you hear..including the garbage that labels them as *alt right*.

I've met them and seen them. They exist. Fortunately there aren't very many of them. The likes of David Duke are dying. Thankfully. But to me David Duke and Corey Booker are the same guy.

This is why I have little respect for Trump supporters

Please tell me when Corey Booker has advocated for the extermination of people based on race or religion?

But for racists like yourself -- simply being black and liberal is the same as being a klan member -- and Corey Booker isn't even liberal, he is a corporatist -- but still, since he doesn't buck dance and let massa pat him on the head like this guy, he the same as the klan

Do you have an in context racist statement from Trump or do insist on blowing more bullshit out of your ass?

 

[Votto]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Nationalism is a form of collectivism. To centralize the state, nationalism is used to consolidate power within the state.

Ironically, today Nationalism stands in the way of collectivists as they strive to create a One World Order. Now we must tear down borders now that nationalism has collectivized states around the globe. Those that focus on country today are seen as anti-collectivist.

I would even say that the Nazi regime was not really focused on nationalism. No, they wanted the entire world. Nationalism, like Socialism, were merely tools to that end.

In fact, I would even argue that Jewish hatred was rooted in the fact that the Jewish people were a minority and socioeconomically upwardly mobile. They simply arrested them, took their gold, and sent them off to die. The money was then used for the ultimate goal of conquering the entire world.

All in all, to root out evil just assess the greed and quest for power. There was really nothing special about the Nazi ideology other than the fact that at least Hitler recognized the futility of the state running industry. After all, would you hire a lawyer to operate on you medically? Just leave the professionals in place and simply manipulate them is the key. Then using corporate money you will be that much closer to your goals.

Socialism was just used to quell uprisings like they had during WW1, like I mentioned before.

Again, I don't think any dictator who is a socialist is a socialist for the good of the people. It's just for power and as Hitler has shown, people will look the other way when it comes to corruption and genocide if you just grease their wheels and fill their pockets full of money, which is why socialism to me is terrifying.

First, Hitler never stated an intention to take over the whole world. His goal was to avenge WWI, and to conquer a large part of Russia of German expansion and for the resources.

Hatred of Jews in Germany stemmed from two things: Most Germans were Lutherian. Martin Luther, who had worked as a missionary to Jews when he was young, hated Jews and made no secret about it.

Secondly, Jews were seen as part of the Liberal educated elite. These people were blamed for overthrowing the Kaiser, for the defeat of WWI, for the Versailles treaty, for the imposition of Democracy and the economic destruction of Germany.

I STRONGLY suggest that if you have Netflix, watch 'Babylon Berlin'. (You'd better have a strong stomach). It's an incredibly accurate depiction of Germany in 1929 - before the rise of the Nazis. It'll give you a much better idea of why the Nazis rose to power.

How can you say that socialism was used to quell the uprisings of WWI? The uprisings consisted of people who were anti-monarchy. They had a potpourri of political views. It was the monarchists and nationalists the quelled the uprisings.

So Hitler only wanted to take over Europe and Russia?

Why then did he declare war on the US?

I suggest that instead of watching the History channel, a channel that has stories about UFO's existing, you actually pick up a book and learn something like this one.

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Beneficiaries-Plunder-Racial-Welfare/dp/0805087265&tag=ff0d01-20

Try reading a historian who has done the research.

Again, Hitler was indeed concerned about uprisings during the war that happened during WW1 due to poor living standards. I don't know of any historians who have not agreed with that.

And yes, Martin Luther joined the anti-Jew hysteria of his day. I would argue, though, that it had nothing to do with Christianity since it contradicted everything Jesus taught and stood for. He simply assimilated to the culture.

Also, Hitler was a young soldier during the uprisings in the first World war. I'm sure he was as concerned about them as every other soldier of the line.

Later he was concerned about them because they were primarily led by liberals, socialist and communist - all of whom he despised.

He arrested liberals, socialists, communists and labor leaders long before he started arresting Jews.

Hitler understood that in order to create a war machine that could conquer the world, collectivism was the key. For you see, virtually all money and attention focused on a war machine is needed to produce this.

For example, before the US entered WW1, the US was ill prepared militarily to enter a world war. It was through the efforts of both President Wilson and FDR that collectivized the US government and subsequently created a war conquering machine that could take on the world.

Because of this, Hitler was most concerned with Stalin who was at the helm of a collectivist war machine, and rightly so. Had it not been for the purges of generals before the war, the USSR would have fared much better. As it was, most of the fighting and death occurred between the USSR and Germany. Essentially, Stalin kicked his arse.

The problem with the US post FDR is, that he created a collectivist war machine state that has been at war periodically ever since, only, they don't call them wars anymore.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

Completely wrong! The primary philosophy of the Nazis was EXTREME nationalism and a desire for to avenge WWI. That was their only motivation.

All else was just doing whatever it took to achieve those goals. They had no ideology or economic philosophy.

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

You need to read Mein Kampf and the future plans Hitler had.

His belief that everyone should exist for the benefit of the state was just a means of extreme nationalism and his desire to avenge WWI.

Makes sense to me, explain why there should be benefits to Capitalists, or Communists who tend to f*ck up the state?

We don't want Communists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

We don't want Capitalists producing junk products they cut corners on to benefit their own wealth.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Who's Adolph Hilter?

What economic theory do Capitalists, and Communists have?

Hardly anything better.

Capitalists believe the Capitalist elite shall create junk products to cut corners to maximize their profits against the masses.

Communists believe the Communist elite shall create junk products to cut corners to maximize profits against the masses.

Capitalists are elites telling you what they want, Communists are elites telling you what you should want.

Fascism is an actual working class movement, for, and by the working class masses.

It has achieved the best economic results.

 

[Indeependent]

We here both sides of the political isle call the other a Nazi.

As a result, the terms has been bastardized.

Much like the term racist, the term Nazi seems to be applied ONLY because someone opposes you politically.

However, to cut through the BS, let's study why each side calls the other a Nazi.

What did the Nazi ideology believe?

1. The white race is superior. Dark colored skin, not so much. Or perhaps you switch the colors around.
2. Genocide is an acceptable alternative to what we perceive as a human problem. It's just a matter of who is not considered your equal as a human being.
3. A massive nanny state is needed. Free medical, retirement, education, etc. Capitalism is a Jewish conspiracy that needs to be destroyed.
4. Society must have strong environmental and animal rights laws.
5. Society must have gun control. Society does not want the wrong kinds of people owning guns.
6. Society must have a strong centralized authoritarian government to implement a nanny state and a large military
7. Massive debt is needed to maintain the nanny state and massive military. It matters little how much debt it takes.

So who does the Nazi ideology mirror more closely? Do they mirror you or those you oppose politically?

In the words of Adolph Hilter:

"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Who's Adolph Hilter?

What economic theory do Capitalists, and Communists have?

Hardly anything better.

Capitalists believe the Capitalist elite shall create junk products to cut corners to maximize their profits against the masses.

Communists believe the Communist elite shall create junk products to cut corners to maximize profits against the masses.

Capitalists are elites telling you what they want, Communists are elites telling you what you should want.

Fascism is an actual working class movement, for, and by the working class masses.

It has achieved the best economic results.

As subject to corruption as any other structure.
Just check out any union where your boss can be an incompetent boob.

 

[Some Guy]

Define propaganda.

Fuck you. You define propaganda.

I take that as you answering that yes, you do just spout random idiocy.

And that means you go on ignore. I advise everybody else to do the same. You actually suck the intelligence out of the room. You and that nitwit SomeGay are equally worthless.

I see we've graduated to homophobic insults. You're making stellar progress.

People who object to those who couch their objections to ideology based on the number of tenets they share with the nazi party should be listened to.

Have you ever heard the term *never forget*?

Leftists want us to forget, they demand we forget..and that's another way in which they represent nazis. Nazis also seized the narrative and declared it a *crime* to embrace any form of speech, including history, that did not support their ideology.

They called themselves socialists because that allowed them to dupe morons who would hop on board and kill anybody who dared to protest the supreme and murderous authority of the state.

We're not disagreeing here on those topics. We're disagreeing about methods.

Labels are prejudicial, otherwise there would be no need for them. And "nazi" is about the most prejudicial label there is. So you're going to label someone a Nazi off the bat, you're inherently saying "i don't want to talk, i don't want to discuss the pros and cons of ideas, i just want to destroy you." All it does is foster a divide, foster hate and foster isolation into "us v. them."

If i really wanted to change someone's mind on socialism, i'd ask them to tell me why they support it, then get into the specific reasons of why they do, explaining along the way that here's the repercussions of this and that and we can understand them by looking at the lessons of history which may or may not include nazi Germany. That's how you actually influence thought, not just firing labels at each other.

Nonsense. Though I am not interested in *changing the minds* of nazis. Their minds can't be changed. I'm interested in identifying them and thereby marginalizing them.

You can't convert useful idiots. That's their whole point. Facts and reason are wasted on them.

So... what? Use the government as your method to kill or enslave them?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Wrong, the nazis were socialists..... fascism in socialism.

From someone who actually knew something on the topic...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

By classical definitions Liberalism means to loosen up regulations (Capitalism, Tax cuts, Liberal values)

While Right-Wing by classical definitions means for Authoritarianism (Up regulations, against immigrants, against porn, against rap music, against outsourcing, against Gay values etc.)

I'm glad we could clear that up, the Republicans are in fact a Liberal Left-Wing party, as are Democrats.

There's no real Right-Wing party in the U.S.A.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

I've already included the notion that one race is superior than the other.

If you really think this, is matters little which race you think is superior

You would then be in line with Nazi ideology regarding this one point.

Do you reject all the others? I do, how about you?

Anything else?

Racism is a core principle of the left.....they think in groups..... the communists planned on commiting mass murder against those races who had not caught up to the historical curve....... the nazis were racists, the marxists were racists..... when you see people as groups, and not individuals, racism becomes your core belief....

Every major core group of the democrat party is a racist group...

Racism can only be a Right-Wing principal, not only is it hierarchy a part of Right-Wing values, but it can only be solved with Authoritarianism, another Right-Wing value.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fascism is nothing more than national socialism.
You partisans and your constant bullshit bickering is getting so goddamn old...
"fascism is left wing"
"fascism is right wing you NAZI fuck!!"
Who gives a shit either way? Its fucking tyranny REGARDLESS

Well Harley - I'd put it this way -
Not all Trump voters are racist, xenophobic, jerks ...
But all racist, xenophobic jerks voted for Trump

Most CEOs and leaders are narcissit sociopaths. Steve Jobs, Jack Welch, Bill Gates, Jamie Dimon...that is how they become successful CEOs. Research it. Doesn't mean they don't want what is best for their company.

Indeed!

Large corporations are like mini collectivist governments. They are the fuel of governments all around the globe and the catalysts for globalization.

Just look at how corporations like Facebook censor conservative talk.

They are trying to help achieve total globalization.

Then we agree Fascism as anti-Globalist, and pro-Nationalist would naturally micro-manage corporations from promoting Globalism?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Nazis were socialists, they are left, not right

Stalin was more for Hierarchy, Right-Wing Authoritarian values, and even perhaps Social Conservative values than modern Republicans, or modern Democrats.

The truth is Stalin's far to the right of the modern U.S.A.

I discussed this below.

Communism more right wing than Capitalism?

Capitalism actually is what sold us out to Liberalism, Hollywood Industry, Media, Porn industry, Music industry promoting Gangster Rap Music, the Medical industry promoting Abortions, it's all Capitalism.

 

[2aguy]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

I've already included the notion that one race is superior than the other.

If you really think this, is matters little which race you think is superior

You would then be in line with Nazi ideology regarding this one point.

Do you reject all the others? I do, how about you?

Anything else?

Racism is a core principle of the left.....they think in groups..... the communists planned on commiting mass murder against those races who had not caught up to the historical curve....... the nazis were racists, the marxists were racists..... when you see people as groups, and not individuals, racism becomes your core belief....

Every major core group of the democrat party is a racist group...

Racism can only be a Right-Wing principal, not only is it hierarchy a part of Right-Wing values, but it can only be solved with Authoritarianism, another Right-Wing value.

No... racism is based on the group, not the individual. Racism is a left wing belief, you can tell because the democrat party is made up of racists of all colors.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

What did you just call me? Are you serious? You want to go down to the gutter its fine with me.

#1) I am Jewish so your words are plain and simple WAR against me. Take it how you want to. I know fascism very well. You don't understand the operational definition even though I just provided a portion of it for you. So now I am a Jewish anti-semite? Are you kidding me?

#2) I am not a Republican. I am an Indendent. I think with logic. Something you lack. Same as courage, you lack that too.

#3) Ben Shapiro was an example I gave. The same group protested Bill Maher too.

#4) I find the Alt Right Republicans abhorrent. But I find you equally abhorrent.

With all due respect.

The Alt Right Republicans are a figment of the left's imagination. Don't believe the garbage you hear..including the garbage that labels them as *alt right*.

I've met them and seen them. They exist. Fortunately there aren't very many of them. The likes of David Duke are dying. Thankfully. But to me David Duke and Corey Booker are the same guy.

This is why I have little respect for Trump supporters

Please tell me when Corey Booker has advocated for the extermination of people based on race or religion?

But for racists like yourself -- simply being black and liberal is the same as being a klan member -- and Corey Booker isn't even liberal, he is a corporatist -- but still, since he doesn't buck dance and let massa pat him on the head like this guy, he the same as the klan

What I find most distasteful is how ALL blacks who are conservative are treated abhorrently by the Left.

That smacks as abject racism.

But this is something the Left fears the most. What will happen if people stop looking at skin color and instead look at their policies.

There is a reason Democrats run on handouts. They need those plantation votes.

Regarding Booker, that dude is a fraud. Besides his sleazy side deals, he was a horrific mayor.

Having vowed to strengthen the police department, he instead cut it by 13 percent to help balance the city’s budget. Homicides and violent crime spiked dramatically. Unemployment rose and child poverty increased 32 percent. And all of this came at a price of a 20 percent tax hike for the city’s residents.

The Ugly Truth About Cory Booker, New Jersey’s Golden Boy

I asked you to tell me how Cory Booker is no different than the klan -- you couldn't

If you equate being a bad mayor or cutting "sleazy side deals" as the same as being the klan, explain how??

Unless you really don't care about intellectual honesty, then so be it

 

[2aguy]

Nazis were Fascists - Fascists are defined as "far right wing/ authoritarian".
Other than gun control, Trumptards come closest.

Wrong, the nazis were socialists..... fascism in socialism.

From someone who actually knew something on the topic...

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

The persecution of the Marxists, and of democrats in general, tends to obscure the fundamental fact that National “Socialism” is a genuine socialist movement, whose leading ideas are the final fruit of the anti-liberal tendencies which have been steadily gaining ground in Germany since the later part of the Bismarckian era, and which led the majority of the German intelligentsia first to “socialism of the chair” and later to Marxism in its social-democratic or communist form.

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

By classical definitions Liberalism means to loosen up regulations (Capitalism, Tax cuts, Liberal values)

While Right-Wing by classical definitions means for Authoritarianism (Up regulations, against immigrants, against porn, against rap music, against outsourcing, against Gay values etc.)

I'm glad we could clear that up, the Republicans are in fact a Liberal Left-Wing party, as are Democrats.

There's no real Right-Wing party in the U.S.A.

Wrong..... the American Right is based on Classical Liberalism.... it is not authoritarian or totalitarian by any shape or form....

It is the left wing that supports increased government size and power and puts people into groups to achieve it's ends

You don't know what you are talking about.