Who is actually winning in Ukraine?

[Rogue AI]

Civilians are fleeing when they are bombed by Russians yes. That has nothing to do with Russia's full retreat from around Kiev where they have sustained heavy losses. Also, Ukrainians are beginning to return to that portion of the country since Russia ran with its tail between the legs.

But, really glad you're happy all those innocent people were slaughtered.

They are fleeing Ukraine, if they thought they were winning they would stay in the western Ukraine.

Russia withdrew, by choice, they were not forced out of the Kiev area. Pay closer attention to what the news is actually saying.

 

[HappyJoy]

They are fleeing Ukraine, if they thought they were winning they would stay in the western Ukraine.

They are returning to the Kiev area.

Russia withdrew, by choice, they were not forced out of the Kiev area. Pay closer attention to what the news is actually saying.

They lost a lot in the Kiev area, why do you think they retreated?

 

[Rogue AI]

They are returning to the Kiev area.


They lost a lot in the Kiev area, why do you think they retreated?

People in the Kiev area fled to the city and now are starting to return to the suburbs. Thousands still flee the country every day.

Russia did withdraw and regrouped. They were not forced. Even Western media report that.

 

[HappyJoy]

People in the Kiev area fled to the city and now are starting to return to the suburbs. Thousands still flee the country every day.

Russia did withdraw and regrouped. They were not forced. Even Western media report that.

True, nobody forced Russia to discontinue getting their asses kicked trying to take Kiev.

 

[badger2]

Russians knew what to do from the beginning, all of Ukraine was not the goal. It would be stupid to get nearer to the funky, decadent, Western-influenced DNA as they got closer to funky, decadent, Western-influenced NATO DNA. Western media and Intel effeminates are milking this as a mistake.

Goals included physically removing the neo-nazi baboonage away from the Russian border.

 

[Rogue AI]

True, nobody forced Russia to discontinue getting their asses kicked trying to take Kiev.

If that's what you want to believe.

 

[HappyJoy]

If that's what you want to believe.

Only because it's true. Russia lost valuable assets and while pulling back they lost more.

But, you're probably all googy ass happy about them murdering civilians.

 

[FA_Q2]

If that's what you want to believe.

It is the truth.

Why do you think they retreated? They were doing so well that they just could not handle all that success?

They went onto Kyiv for a reason, did they not?

Whatever that reason was, it is clear it was NOT achieved. They left without achieving their goal. You trying to spin it as not 'forced' is just trying to save face that they did not have the capability to achieve their goals in that military action.

There is no way to spin that in a manner that is not losing the battle.

 

[Rogue AI]

It is the truth.

Why do you think they retreated? They were doing so well that they just could not handle all that success?

They went onto Kyiv for a reason, did they not?

Whatever that reason was, it is clear it was NOT achieved. They left without achieving their goal. You trying to spin it as not 'forced' is just trying to save face that they did not have the capability to achieve their goals in that military action.

There is no way to spin that in a manner that is not losing the battle.

The Russian troops in the north are a holding force. So long as they are there the Ukrainians cannot use their own forces to reinforce the fighting in Donbas and the south. It's not complicated. Kiev will be the last city to fall, only after Russia has achieved It's other objectives.

 

[HappyJoy]

The Russian troops in the north are a holding force. So long as they are there the Ukrainians cannot use their own forces to reinforce the fighting in Donbas and the south. It's not complicated. Kiev will be the last city to fall, only after Russia has achieved It's other objectives.

They left. They went and lost a lot of equipment and lives and then they left. To add insult to injury the Ukrainians were picking them off as they were retreating.

 

[Rogue AI]

They left. They went and lost a lot of equipment and lives and then they left. To add insult to injury the Ukrainians were picking them off as they were retreating.

Hardly, they left of their own volition on, on their own time table. You folks are ill informed. If they left anything behind it was because it was broken.

 

[badger2]

The Russian troops in the north are a holding force. So long as they are there the Ukrainians cannot use their own forces to reinforce the fighting in Donbas and the south. It's not complicated. Kiev will be the last city to fall, only after Russia has achieved It's other objectives.

That's why Putin's Chechens are at Mariupol: they are good at what they do.
'As soon as Russian forces take the city of Mariupol under control, the Kiev regime will fall. The capture of Mariupol and its complete liberation from the Ukrainian neo-nazis is of great importance for the Russian Army.'
(Vladimir Kozin, Academy of Military Sciences of the Russian Federation)

 

[badger2]

More controversial, this is from a suspended tweet. At timepoint 1:50, the man is saying that Russian soldiers raped a girl who was found in a basement with her dead mother. According to him, the soldiers filmed the rape on their cellphones.

 

[AlexanderPK]

More controversial, this is from a suspended tweet. At timepoint 1:50, the man is saying that Russian soldiers raped a girl who was found in a basement with her dead mother. According to him, the soldiers filmed the rape on their cellphones.

When you see it's DW you can bet it's bull from top to bottom. This also goes to everything Litvin refers to.

 

[badger2]

When you see it's DW you can bet it's bull from top to bottom. This also goes to everything Litvin refers to.

Yes, it does seem that way. The photo-opportunist Israeli Ambassador to Ukraine is full of shit, to projecting indignance. It will take time to document the story of the Donbas 14,000 and 100+ burned alive at Odessa.

 

[HappyJoy]

Hardly, they left of their own volition on, on their own time table. You folks are ill informed. If they left anything behind it was because it was broken.

Broken, captured, destroyed.

 

[badger2]

Our first intuition was retribution for Odessa, followed by retribution for 14,000 since 2014. Apparently in the media, there was an explosion at Odessa late Sunday. Verification is required.

 

[badger2]

It was apparently a missile strike at Odessa:



Odessa is 30 deg. 44' 36.4" E longitude
Kiev is 30 deg. 31' 24" E longitude

On the north-south axis, thay is to say the (capitalist axis [italics]), the missile is a sign that links to Bucha, much as the Kinzhal strike at Ivano-Frankivsk linked to the Pentagon's black marionette Austin as well as that city links to the Pentagon itself. Any Russian who knows the history of those 100+ burned alive at Odessa, will interpret this sign as they would Putin's strike at Ivano-Frankivsk. Thus, Bucha massacre will most likely be defined by them as retribution.

 

[badger2]

The reader should click on "Continue watching on Twitter" and scroll down to the fifth photo.

 

[Toro]