Who Needs Planned Parenthood??

[PoliticalChic]

Seems like the liberal crowd is firmly behind Planned Parenthood, private funding should not be a problem. Stop using public funds.

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

Burden?

Were you an American, and had you a familiarity with the US Constitution, you'd recognize that the federal government's powers are limited by Article 1, section 8.

Since you are a global governist, totalitarian, statist, your opinions, while understandable, remain unacceptable to real Americans.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Seems like the liberal crowd is firmly behind Planned Parenthood, private funding should not be a problem. Stop using public funds.

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

Burden?

Were you an American, and had you a familiarity with the US Constitution, you'd recognize that the federal government's powers are limited by Article 1, section 8.

Since you are a global governist, totalitarian, statist, your opinions, while understandable, remain unacceptable to real Americans.

I'm a Liberal, and you, unlike most, aren't even an American in name only.

 

[PoliticalChic]

er... no. it's part of the woman's body. that was one of the issues examined by Roe v Wade. admittedly, it wasn't a perfect decision, but it got the job done.

then why stop at pre birth killing, why not allow the child to be killed up to the age of two if the mother finds it too difficult to deal with or is just tired of being a mother?

Shit, why not allow it up to 16 when kids can really become difficult?

Now you're opening up some real interesting issues, considering how retarded and difficult the Libs can be...

again... always funny when the stupidest of posters opine about others.

psssssst... over 60% of the country doesn't agree with you about planned parenthood.

and greater numbers disagree with the rabid right about most other issues.

60%?

Did you know that in 1938, Hitler entered Vienna, greeted by an enthusiastic crowd of up to one million people. A plebiscite was held in less than a month, and 99.7% of Austrians voted to join the Third Reich.


So....what do those percentages have to do with rectitude and/or morality?

I subscribe to the Ten Commandments.....how about you?

Have you forgotten that only a couple posts ago you cited poll numbers when it suited YOU?

"Furthermore, 72 percent of voters agree that “taxpayer dollars would be better spent directed to the more than 13,000 health centers and hospitals providing comprehensive women’s health care.”

hilarious.

I did no such thing.

I showed why your co-religionist was willing to quote 60% in one case where it suited her argument....and declined when a 60% did not.

You are exposed not just as a liar....but as a moron.

 

[PoliticalChic]

How often is that the case?

And....it matters a great deal, since the death rate for abortion is very near 100%.

It doesn't matter how often. One can survive without the other, and one cannot.

False.

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   According to studies between 2003 and 2005, 20 to 35 percent of babies born at 23 weeks of gestation survive, while 50 to 70 percent of babies born at 24 to 25 weeks, and more than 90 percent born at 26 to 27weeks, survive. It is rare for a baby weighing less than 500g (17.6 ounces) to survive.
   Fetal viability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   Fetal viability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   Wikipedia

Roe v Wade allows states to ban late term abortion. What's your problem?

This:

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   ...the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortion unless the pregnancy arises from incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother.
   Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
   Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHyde_Amendment
   Wikipedia

Planned Parenthood has not been charged with violating the Hyde Amendment.

Thanks to the powers of Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.

It is not because they are innocent of said charges.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems like the liberal crowd is firmly behind Planned Parenthood, private funding should not be a problem. Stop using public funds.

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

Burden?

Were you an American, and had you a familiarity with the US Constitution, you'd recognize that the federal government's powers are limited by Article 1, section 8.

Since you are a global governist, totalitarian, statist, your opinions, while understandable, remain unacceptable to real Americans.

I'm a Liberal, and you, unlike most, aren't even an American in name only.

As I have proven numerous times, by 'Liberal,' you actually mean 'Socialist.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

So you're saying Obozocare isn't working...

Please continue...

no, i'm saying there is no such thing as "obozocare" and that you don't understand the Affordable Care Act.

idiota.

So....how come you haven't provided the percentages of folks who disapprove of it?

It's about the same 60% you quoted earlier.

Sometimes percentages don't count, huh?

So you're willing to accept poll numbers as the arbiters of these issues?

How about the 2 to 1 support for continuing to fund PP? Will you concede to that?

How about the 2 to 1 opposition to repealing Roe v Wade? Will you concede to that?

English syntax is not one of your strong points.....

When you begin with "So..." you are extending something that has been said by the previous poster.

As I never said any such thing....you are merely offering one more example of why you are known as the NYLiar.

True?

If you didn't want to imply you accepted the poll numbers you shouldn't have done so.

I didn't.

You're a moron....I'm not responsible for you lack of comprehension.
Unlike government schooling, I have no desire to dumb down my posts to your level.

 

[Ava]

Seems like the liberal crowd is firmly behind Planned Parenthood, private funding should not be a problem. Stop using public funds.

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

How's this for full context?

Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems like the liberal crowd is firmly behind Planned Parenthood, private funding should not be a problem. Stop using public funds.

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

Burden?

Were you an American, and had you a familiarity with the US Constitution, you'd recognize that the federal government's powers are limited by Article 1, section 8.

Since you are a global governist, totalitarian, statist, your opinions, while understandable, remain unacceptable to real Americans.

I'm a Liberal, and you, unlike most, aren't even an American in name only.

Amazing how consistently you are proven wrong: I actually have government issued papers proving that I'm an American.

Bet you don't.

 

[Uncensored2008]

awww... poor baby. typical lowlife effort at pretending i'm not what I am. but again, no one cares what you have to say.

You are what you post here. You offer fractured logic that is straight from the Soros hate sites. You demonstrate zero, and I mean zero skills in legal reasoning.

you mean murder isn't defined by statute?

You mean water isn't hydrogen and oxygen?

Random fact fails to make a compelling argument, much less a reasoned legal argument.

roe v wade doesn't protect the constitutional right to keep idiots like you from telling women what to do with their bodies?

Roe v. Wade is a law created by the SCOTUS in 1973. It is not part of the Constitution, nor an amendment therein.

if you have, as you pretend, taken law classes, then you would be aware that caselaw construing our constitution enforces constitutionally guaranteed rights. you would also, if you had bothered ever reading a case, know that the constitution is not your fundie bible which is read literally. words like "DUE process" "EQUAL protection", etc., require that judges actually think... something rightwingnuts seem incapable of.

"Case law" is two words, counselor..

It's the little things that give you away.

When the SCOTUS created this law, they invented a fictitious "right to privacy." Now I suspect you have never read the Constitution, nor the amendments thereof. So before you rattle off the moronic talking points from KOS, ThinkProgress, or whatever hate site that does your thinking for you, let me list the 4th Amendment to dispel the bullshit you will attempt:

{The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.}

Anything in there about "privacy?"

Further, allow me to expose you to something you have never encountered, legal reasoning; if there were indeed a right to privacy, then the requirement of all persons to once a year detail every aspect of their private lives, finance, domicile, romantic entanglements, offspring, etc. would be patently unconstitutional. Still the 1040 form is still a requirement backed by the force of men with guns who will throw you in prison if you fail to comply. Ergo, no such right to privacy exists.

and anyone who's actually an attorney, and not a wanna be constitutional scholar who gets their instructions on the constitution from rightwingnut websites, would know the above.

but whatever makes you feel better about yourself, lowlife.

Irony indeed. It is abundantly clear that your thoughts are straight off of the leftist hate sites.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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You might be right. The woman's immune system treats the fetus like a parasite. Perhaps instead of saying it's "part of her body" we should be saying an unwanted pregnancy is a parasitical infection.

Your own link says exactly the opposite of what you claim. Did you even read it?

{Pregnancy, as Yale School of Medicine’s Harvey Kliman sees it, is a metaphor for marriage. The placenta is controlled by the father’s genes, the embryo by the mother’s. Each side has its own agenda. Yet, the key to a successful union—whether it be mother and fetus, or husband and wife—is compromise. The details of this compromise have always been a mystery, but in the past few years, scientists seem to be edging closer to understanding the specific negotiations that occur deep within the cells of the women’s body that allow the fetus to escape destruction.}

 

[Uncensored2008]

Nope, it's nothing of the kind. For many months if mommy dies they die. They are one and the same for a time, just deal with it,

And that can be proven though blood tests and DNA. The mother and the baby always have identical blood types and identical DNA.

Don't they, sploogy?

 

[Uncensored2008]

federal funding pays for other medical services, wacko.

Such as mammograms?

 

[Coyote]

Rational thought is rational thought. There's nothing perverted about it. In a nutshell, a week-old puppy is far more aware of his world than a 20-week old fetus.

Rational thought sans morality produces the Holocause, eugenics, and abortion on demand.


Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti-Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. While Hitler's race hatred sprung from his own mind, the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.

During the '20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany's fascist eugenicists. InMein Kampf, published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. "There is today one state," wrote Hitler, "in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of immigration] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
- See more at: The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

1. Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.” (Margaret Sanger and Sterilization) German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.

Margaret Sanger believed that women should have some control over their bodies when it came to reproduction,

that's all.

It's ghoulish, but not surprising, that you believe otherwise.

Women have complete control... some just choose not to exercise said control. Murdering unborn children is what's ghoulish.

Then step up and put your body where your mouth is - adopt a fetus and implant it

I'm a dude.... biology 101 pal. And btw, I've already raised 2 kids.. I'm done. What's your point?

Being a dude doesn't matter, it just gives you license to tell other women what to do with their bodies thinking you'll never have to carry and unwanted pregnancy. The Science of Male Pregnancy

 

[Redfish]

Damn it libs----------------answer my question.

What is the difference between killing a baby as it leaves its mother (partial birth abortion) and killing it at the age of 1 year?

GIVE ME AN ANSWER OR STFU AND ADMIT THAT YOU FAVOR INFANTICIDE IF THE KID IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU BEFOR OR AFTER BIRTH.

 

[Redfish]

Rational thought sans morality produces the Holocause, eugenics, and abortion on demand.


Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German official and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti-Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. While Hitler's race hatred sprung from his own mind, the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.

During the '20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany's fascist eugenicists. InMein Kampf, published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. "There is today one state," wrote Hitler, "in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception [of immigration] are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."
- See more at: The Horrifying American Roots of Nazi Eugenics

1. Hitler wrote to the president of the American Eugenics Society to ask for a copy of his“The Case for Sterilization.” (Margaret Sanger and Sterilization) German race science stood on American progressive’s shoulders.

Margaret Sanger believed that women should have some control over their bodies when it came to reproduction,

that's all.

It's ghoulish, but not surprising, that you believe otherwise.

Women have complete control... some just choose not to exercise said control. Murdering unborn children is what's ghoulish.

Then step up and put your body where your mouth is - adopt a fetus and implant it

I'm a dude.... biology 101 pal. And btw, I've already raised 2 kids.. I'm done. What's your point?

Being a dude doesn't matter, it just gives you license to tell other women what to do with their bodies thinking you'll never have to carry and unwanted pregnancy. The Science of Male Pregnancy

If you don't want an "unwated pregnancy" keep your legs together. WTF is so hard about that?

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Damn it libs----------------answer my question.

What is the difference between killing a baby as it leaves its mother (partial birth abortion) and killing it at the age of 1 year?

GIVE ME AN ANSWER OR STFU AND ADMIT THAT YOU FAVOR INFANTICIDE IF THE KID IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU BEFOR OR AFTER BIRTH.

A one-year-old can be given away. A fetus cannot. And stop lying about Sanger.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Being a dude doesn't matter, it just gives you license to tell other women what to do with their bodies thinking you'll never have to carry and unwanted pregnancy. The Science of Male Pregnancy

No woman in a first world country "has" to get pregnant.

This ain't Somalia.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

They do good work. Deal with it. We all fund lots of things we don't approve of personally.

I'm against taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood and PBS. It is not my job to secure your future. That is your job. If you don't want children, start your own birth control and if you want your present children to watch TV for kids, then find a way to pay for it yourself or start reading to your children. Novel idea. ( pun intended )

Obamacare should be paying for women's heath issues anyway. Remember this lie? O didn't tell you that most of them would not be in a network.....

"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan. Obamacare is not gonna affect you! You like your doctor, you like your plan, you keep it."

An interesting position considering the burden you've placed on society, but so be it. And please fix your Sanger quote lies. That's what they are BTW.

Burden?

Were you an American, and had you a familiarity with the US Constitution, you'd recognize that the federal government's powers are limited by Article 1, section 8.

Since you are a global governist, totalitarian, statist, your opinions, while understandable, remain unacceptable to real Americans.

I'm a Liberal, and you, unlike most, aren't even an American in name only.

As I have proven numerous times, by 'Liberal,' you actually mean 'Socialist.'

Nope...

 

[Coyote]

Damn it libs----------------answer my question.

What is the difference between killing a baby as it leaves its mother (partial birth abortion) and killing it at the age of 1 year?

GIVE ME AN ANSWER OR STFU AND ADMIT THAT YOU FAVOR INFANTICIDE IF THE KID IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU BEFOR OR AFTER BIRTH.

Huge difference, one that begins by understanding how the term "partial birth abortion" is misused and seperating spin from fact: 'Partial-Birth Abortion:' Separating Fact from Spin

"...And contrary to the claims of some abortion opponents, most such abortions do not take place in the third trimester of pregnancy, or after fetal "viability."

The fetus is typically far too undeveloped to survive, it's not yet born ("...emergence and separation of offspring from the body of the mother...) and alternative measures are more dangerous for the mother. Infanticide is killing a child after birth, murdering an infant.

And from the source:
Activists on both sides of the issues see the constitutionality of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act as pivotal to the larger debate. Abortion-rights backers say the ban is a first step toward trying to outlaw all abortions. Even some supporters of the ban say that if it is upheld, they could then move on to try to outlaw the far more common D&E procedure, whose description is nearly as unpleasant as that of the D&X.


The court could also use the law to address the "health" exception currently required for all abortion restrictions. Abortion foes say the current health exception upheld by the court is so broad — encompassing mental health problems as well as physical ones — that just about any abortion-procedure ban would have to be invalidated. But abortion-rights supporters say that without a health exception, women could be forced to carry to term fetuses with no chance at life, but whose birth could leave the pregnant women unable to carry a later pregnancy, or could exacerbate serious ailments such as diabetes.

 

[Coyote]

Being a dude doesn't matter, it just gives you license to tell other women what to do with their bodies thinking you'll never have to carry and unwanted pregnancy. The Science of Male Pregnancy

No woman in a first world country "has" to get pregnant.

This ain't Somalia.

So you won't put your body where your mouth is - you just to control other women's choices.