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the real question is why are all the flight wreckage and video tapes classified..and where are the flight data recorders and what does that evidence show...and what about the eyewitness testimony of pentagon employees including x-fighter pilots that tell a different story of the events...should it not be examined...wheres the investigation ?
nd i would agree that if anything, the government is trying to cover up just how inept they were in this matterthe real question is why are all the flight wreckage and video tapes classified..and where are the flight data recorders and what does that evidence show...and what about the eyewitness testimony of pentagon employees including x-fighter pilots that tell a different story of the events...should it not be examined...wheres the investigation ?
how do those questions allow you to jump to the us government did it.....isn't it possible that towllheads did it an our govt was too inept to stop it.....sure they may have shot dwon two of the jets which the don't want to talk about.....but come on....
the real question is why are all the flight wreckage and video tapes classified..and where are the flight data recorders and what does that evidence show...and what about the eyewitness testimony of pentagon employees including x-fighter pilots that tell a different story of the events...should it not be examined...wheres the investigation ?
how do those questions allow you to jump to the us government did it.....isn't it possible that towllheads did it an our govt was too inept to stop it.....sure they may have shot dwon two of the jets which the don't want to talk about.....but come on....
the real question is why are all the flight wreckage and video tapes classified..and where are the flight data recorders and what does that evidence show...and what about the eyewitness testimony of pentagon employees including x-fighter pilots that tell a different story of the events...should it not be examined...wheres the investigation ?
how do those questions allow you to jump to the us government did it.....isn't it possible that towllheads did it an our govt was too inept to stop it.....sure they may have shot dwon two of the jets which the don't want to talk about.....but come on....
well I am glad you have come this far...but no I absolutely do not believe all of the multiple ignored prior warnings where a result of ineptness nor do some of those who gave these warnings..and it does not explain the many problems with the forensic evidence..or why everyone from nist to the 911 commission has complained about the information and evidence they require to not be forthcoming...this is not Rosie saying this these are x-members of NIST and the 911 commission ..some bold enough to say cover-up..others simply information from the government was not forthcoming and the commission inadequate and compromised
Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodwards new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administrations actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
Thomas H. Kean, Chairman, 9/11 Commission Former Governor of New Jersey 1982 - 1990. Also served for 10 years in the New Jersey Assembly. Currently President of Drew University.
Stonewalled by the CIA by Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton New York Times article 1/2/08: "More than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the presidents chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Sciencethe principal world forum for fire research. ...
"All of these have been submitted to NIST, but never acknowledged or answered. I will list some of these.
1. Why is not the design process of assigning fire protection to the WTC towers fully called out for fault? ...
2. Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...
3. Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?
4. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.
5. Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done? ...
6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September [2005] that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?"
OpEdNews » Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodwards new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administrations actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
Thomas H. Kean, Chairman, 9/11 Commission Former Governor of New Jersey 1982 - 1990. Also served for 10 years in the New Jersey Assembly. Currently President of Drew University.
Stonewalled by the CIA by Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton New York Times article 1/2/08: "More than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the presidents chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Sciencethe principal world forum for fire research. ...
"All of these have been submitted to NIST, but never acknowledged or answered. I will list some of these.
1. Why is not the design process of assigning fire protection to the WTC towers fully called out for fault? ...
2. Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...
3. Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?
4. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.
5. Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done? ...
6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September [2005] that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?"
OpEdNews » Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodwards new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administrations actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
Thomas H. Kean, Chairman, 9/11 Commission Former Governor of New Jersey 1982 - 1990. Also served for 10 years in the New Jersey Assembly. Currently President of Drew University.
Stonewalled by the CIA by Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton New York Times article 1/2/08: "More than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the presidents chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Sciencethe principal world forum for fire research. ...
"All of these have been submitted to NIST, but never acknowledged or answered. I will list some of these.
1. Why is not the design process of assigning fire protection to the WTC towers fully called out for fault? ...
2. Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...
3. Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?
4. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.
5. Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done? ...
6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September [2005] that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?"
OpEdNews » Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
the first guy says our govt was inept.....
the second is mad cuz the cia won't tell them everything....
the third doesn't like how the tests were run.....
yep...the government did it.....
Peter Rundlet, Counsel for the 9/11 Commission Former Associate Counsel to President Clinton. Former White House Fellow, serving in the Office of the Chief of Staff to President Clinton. Former Vice President for National Security and International Affairs, Center for American Progress.
Currently Director of Policy and Government Relations for Humanity United, an independent grantmaking organization committed to building a world where modern-day slavery and mass atrocities are no longer possible.
Essay 9/30/06: "A mixture of shock, anger, and sadness overcame me when I read about revelations in Bob Woodwards new book about a special surprise visit that George Tenet and his counterterrorism chief Cofer Black made to Condi Rice, also on July 10, 2001 ...
If true, it is shocking that the administration failed to heed such an overwhelming alert from the two officials in the best position to know. Many, many questions need to be asked and answered about this revelation questions that the 9/11 Commission would have asked, had the Commission been told about this significant meeting. Suspiciously, the Commissioners and the staff investigating the administrations actions prior to 9/11 were never informed of the meeting.
Thomas H. Kean, Chairman, 9/11 Commission Former Governor of New Jersey 1982 - 1990. Also served for 10 years in the New Jersey Assembly. Currently President of Drew University.
Stonewalled by the CIA by Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton New York Times article 1/2/08: "More than five years ago, Congress and President Bush created the 9/11 commission. The goal was to provide the American people with the fullest possible account of the facts and circumstances relating to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and to offer recommendations to prevent future attacks. Soon after its creation, the presidents chief of staff directed all executive branch agencies to cooperate with the commission.
The commissions mandate was sweeping and it explicitly included the intelligence agencies. But the recent revelations that the C.I.A. destroyed videotaped interrogations of Qaeda operatives leads us to conclude that the agency failed to respond to our lawful requests for information about the 9/11 plot. Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them obstructed our investigation.
Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
"I have over 35 years of fire research in my experience. I worked in the fire program at NIST for 19 years, leaving as a division chief. I have been at the University of Maryland since. I am a founding member and past-Chair of the International Association for Fire Safety Sciencethe principal world forum for fire research. ...
"All of these have been submitted to NIST, but never acknowledged or answered. I will list some of these.
1. Why is not the design process of assigning fire protection to the WTC towers fully called out for fault? ...
2. Why were not alternative collapse hypotheses investigated and discussed as NIST had stated repeatedly that they would do? ...
3. Spoliation of a fire scene is a basis for destroying a legal case in an investigation. Most of the steel was discarded, although the key elements of the core steel were demographically labeled. A careful reading of the NIST report shows that they have no evidence that the temperatures they predict as necessary for failure are corroborated by findings of the little steel debris they have. Why hasn't NIST declared that this spoliation of the steel was a gross error?
4. NIST used computer models that they said have never been used in such an application before and are the state of the art. For this they should be commended for their skill. But the validation of these modeling results is in question. Others have computed aspects with different conclusions on the cause mechanism of the collapse. Moreover, it is common in fire investigation to compute a time-line and compare it to known events. NIST has not done that.
5. Testing by NIST has been inconclusive. Although they have done fire tests of the scale of several work stations, a replicate test of at least & [sic] of a WTC floor would have been of considerable value. Why was this not done? ...
6. The critical collapse of WTC 7 is relegated to a secondary role, as its findings will not be complete for yet another year. It was clear at the last NIST Advisory Panel meeting in September [2005] that this date may not be realistic, as NIST has not demonstrated progress here. Why has NIST dragged on this important investigation?"
OpEdNews » Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation
the first guy says our govt was inept.....
the second is mad cuz the cia won't tell them everything....
the third doesn't like how the tests were run.....
yep...the government did it.....
and this is the definitive report on 911...this is the holy bible ..this and PM magazine
and you don't see the problem with divecons and Elvis in one breath holding up the flawed conclusions of NIST report with blind faith ...when the x-director himself feels its totally flawed and not conclusive....if that's the case ..then there is still no real investigation of the wtc collapse......
the first guy says our govt was inept.....
the second is mad cuz the cia won't tell them everything....
the third doesn't like how the tests were run.....
yep...the government did it.....
and this is the definitive report on 911...this is the holy bible ..this and PM magazine
and you don't see the problem with divecons and Elvis in one breath holding up the flawed conclusions of NIST report with blind faith ...when the x-director himself feels its totally flawed and not conclusive....if that's the case ..then there is still no real investigation of the wtc collapse......
i thought there have been tons of studies and investigations.....
fuck you you picece of crap...
fuck you.... you piece of crap...
twice
you're losing it in the face of truth....
why am i not surprised you have no evidence to counter the confessions
there where no confessions....except from some poor fucker they tortured for 7 years
and also confessed to crimes that occurred while he was imprisoned
twice
you're losing it in the face of truth....
why am i not surprised you have no evidence to counter the confessions
there where no confessions....except from some poor fucker they tortured for 7 years
and also confessed to crimes that occurred while he was imprisoned
tell me, after manu and i planned and executed 9/11 while playing civ iv, what is out next goal? only your great mind can figure it out and stop us.....
times a wastin...
the first guy says our govt was inept.....
the second is mad cuz the cia won't tell them everything....
the third doesn't like how the tests were run.....
yep...the government did it.....
and this is the definitive report on 911...this is the holy bible ..this and PM magazine
and you don't see the problem with divecons and Elvis in one breath holding up the flawed conclusions of NIST report with blind faith ...when the x-director himself feels its totally flawed and not conclusive....if that's the case ..then there is still no real investigation of the wtc collapse......
i thought there have been tons of studies and investigations.....
twice
you're losing it in the face of truth....
why am i not surprised you have no evidence to counter the confessions
there where no confessions....except from some poor fucker they tortured for 7 years
and also confessed to crimes that occurred while he was imprisoned
tell me, after manu and i planned and executed 9/11 while playing civ iv, what is out next goal? only your great mind can figure it out and stop us.....
times a wastin...
and this is the definitive report on 911...this is the holy bible ..this and PM magazine
and you don't see the problem with divecons and Elvis in one breath holding up the flawed conclusions of NIST report with blind faith ...when the x-director himself feels its totally flawed and not conclusive....if that's the case ..then there is still no real investigation of the wtc collapse......
i thought there have been tons of studies and investigations.....
indeed..but there needs to be a credible and respected panel that is given full disclosure of all the forensic evidence... subpoena powers and testimony from witnesses under oath...etc..
i thought there have been tons of studies and investigations.....
indeed..but there needs to be a credible and respected panel that is given full disclosure of all the forensic evidence... subpoena powers and testimony from witnesses under oath...etc..
why......
indeed..but there needs to be a credible and respected panel that is given full disclosure of all the forensic evidence... subpoena powers and testimony from witnesses under oath...etc..
why......
because a crime has been committed..the crime of mass murder and this is how we investigate and prosecute crimes in america....
why......
because a crime has been committed..the crime of mass murder and this is how we investigate and prosecute crimes in america....
it was an act of war.....
you see you believe our government is evil and smart and capable of pulling off 911.......whereas i believe our government is inept and incompetent and not capable of paying their taxes......
because a crime has been committed..the crime of mass murder and this is how we investigate and prosecute crimes in america....
it was an act of war.....
you see you believe our government is evil and smart and capable of pulling off 911.......whereas i believe our government is inept and incompetent and not capable of paying their taxes......
that's an assumption...just the facts..that's how you investigate a crime..it was hijacking and murder... carried out by the individuals involved and not done in the name of a country or flag or carried out by a governments military...it was a crime...not a act of war..that's propaganda... newspeak
it was an act of war.....
you see you believe our government is evil and smart and capable of pulling off 911.......whereas i believe our government is inept and incompetent and not capable of paying their taxes......
that's an assumption...just the facts..that's how you investigate a crime..it was hijacking and murder... carried out by the individuals involved and not done in the name of a country or flag or carried out by a governments military...it was a crime...not a act of war..that's propaganda... newspeak
osama declared war and claimed responsibilty....act of war.....
