who was best president of usa ?

[Mikeoxenormous]

We had wobble legs promising everyone everything and creating the mindset that it's the government's job to take care of you if something bad happens in your life. Freeloaders like that kind of thing and will vote for it.

What's the alternative your side offers? "I've got mine, fuck you?"

Except your guys can't say that openly, because no one would vote for that.

Which is why your side quietly supports middle class entitlements like Medicare and Social Security and Unemployment while denouncing "Welfare Queens". (When in fact, those middle class benefit make up far more of what government spends.)

Then to totally distract stupid people like you from noticing your good paying job is going to China or being replaced by a machine, they talk about guns or abortions or gays or the War on Christmas to play on your racial, religious or sexual fears.

NOw, since you have been totally conditioned not to notice this, please proceed with an angry rant about how you will shoot anyone who tries to take your guns.

The difference between a liberal and a conservative
Liberals would give a fish to a starving man so then that man must come back the next day begging for more. That is liberal compassion.
Conservatives would rather teach that starving man to fish so that man could be reliant on himself and not have to go begging for more. That is conservatism.
Have you notice under the 7 years of Obamanomics , Obamavilles popping up everywhere?

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Interesting point

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond? That is what has happened in many of our urban areas. You can fish all day but there are still no jobs to be had.

In that case, we need the government to step in, provide fish, restock the pond or assist people in learning new skills or moving to an area with more fish.

That is the purpose of a modern government

Do you know why there is no fish in the pond in cities. Because liberals took over the cities, overpromised FREE stuff, while taxing those who worked, and soon those fishermen moved away to suburbia. Take a look at the Motor City Detroit, the most prosperous city after WWII. Unions public and private worked hand in hand with the liberal political hacks, and after 60 years, no more fish. The only ones left were those too poor to move away, but hey, everyone there in Detroit were equal. Equally poor and equally miserable. That is liberalism in a nutshell.

View attachment 60669

Actually it was corporate America who used up our cities and moved on to greener pastures

Union workers were not getting rich in Detroit. They lived in the same houses and same neighborhoods they had lived in for generations

It was the corporate executives that were getting rich, not the workers
It was their decisions that doomed the auto industry...not the workers who only wanted to maintain their standard of living

Government Motors Is Alive And Detroit Is Dead

Bankruptcy: The fundamental transformation of Detroit is complete, as socialism's theme park succumbs to government run amok, a reminder that government isn't the solution to our problems but their cause.

You know, union workers didn't get rich, but they were better off than the poor that kept voting in the liberal political hacks in office who were doing pretty well also. But those union executives DID get rich by siphoning off union Dues from the members and put much of that money into those same political hacks. But where did the money to the government unions(NEA and NFTA) eventually go? People were tired of being taxes so much, they got up and went to another state, leaving behind a city that crime escalated, shops closed, and drugs went rampant. If you put all the liberals on the west and the conservatives on the east with a wall between them, soon the west would look like East Germany and those people would be climbing over the wall like illegals do at our southern border, wanting to get the goodness that conservatives create.

Unfortunately you cannot get past the thick skull of a liberal, they have been brainwashed since their birth that they suck, so everyone else must suck also.

 

[Camp]

It is a shame you libtards didn't go watch the Youtube post I put up about Margaret Thatcher, a woman, a Prime Minister, a strong leader for Free Markets. Oh yeah, she and Ronald Reagan helped defeat the Communists of East Germany and the USSR, which would make her EVIL. For you libtards, it is better to bring everyone down(Cat 1), so that way everyone is equal, than helping others make something of themselves(Cat 2), and not have to rely on the government. For since you libs fall into Cat 1, you cant compete in the realm of ideas, so must resort to other means to balance the playing field. Tax everyone, demean everyone, uneducated everyone. The Video is a typical liberal voter.

The misnamed Obama phone had nothing to do with Obama. It was implemented in 2008 as a modernization of a decade's old law from the 1930's and is not taxpayer funded.

 

[rightwinger]

What's the alternative your side offers? "I've got mine, fuck you?"

Except your guys can't say that openly, because no one would vote for that.

Which is why your side quietly supports middle class entitlements like Medicare and Social Security and Unemployment while denouncing "Welfare Queens". (When in fact, those middle class benefit make up far more of what government spends.)

Then to totally distract stupid people like you from noticing your good paying job is going to China or being replaced by a machine, they talk about guns or abortions or gays or the War on Christmas to play on your racial, religious or sexual fears.

NOw, since you have been totally conditioned not to notice this, please proceed with an angry rant about how you will shoot anyone who tries to take your guns.

The difference between a liberal and a conservative
Liberals would give a fish to a starving man so then that man must come back the next day begging for more. That is liberal compassion.
Conservatives would rather teach that starving man to fish so that man could be reliant on himself and not have to go begging for more. That is conservatism.
Have you notice under the 7 years of Obamanomics , Obamavilles popping up everywhere?

View attachment 60666

Interesting point

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond? That is what has happened in many of our urban areas. You can fish all day but there are still no jobs to be had.

In that case, we need the government to step in, provide fish, restock the pond or assist people in learning new skills or moving to an area with more fish.

That is the purpose of a modern government

Do you know why there is no fish in the pond in cities. Because liberals took over the cities, overpromised FREE stuff, while taxing those who worked, and soon those fishermen moved away to suburbia. Take a look at the Motor City Detroit, the most prosperous city after WWII. Unions public and private worked hand in hand with the liberal political hacks, and after 60 years, no more fish. The only ones left were those too poor to move away, but hey, everyone there in Detroit were equal. Equally poor and equally miserable. That is liberalism in a nutshell.

View attachment 60669

Actually it was corporate America who used up our cities and moved on to greener pastures

Union workers were not getting rich in Detroit. They lived in the same houses and same neighborhoods they had lived in for generations

It was the corporate executives that were getting rich, not the workers
It was their decisions that doomed the auto industry...not the workers who only wanted to maintain their standard of living

Government Motors Is Alive And Detroit Is Dead

Bankruptcy: The fundamental transformation of Detroit is complete, as socialism's theme park succumbs to government run amok, a reminder that government isn't the solution to our problems but their cause.

You know, union workers didn't get rich, but they were better off than the poor that kept voting in the liberal political hacks in office who were doing pretty well also. But those union executives DID get rich by siphoning off union Dues from the members and put much of that money into those same political hacks. But where did the money to the government unions(NEA and NFTA) eventually go? People were tired of being taxes so much, they got up and went to another state, leaving behind a city that crime escalated, shops closed, and drugs went rampant. If you put all the liberals on the west and the conservatives on the east with a wall between them, soon the west would look like East Germany and those people would be climbing over the wall like illegals do at our southern border, wanting to get the goodness that conservatives create.

Unfortunately you cannot get past the thick skull of a liberal, they have been brainwashed since their birth that they suck, so everyone else must suck also. View attachment 60671

Yes...President Obama did save the auto industry. He was accused of socialism, fascism and a government takeover

I can only imagine the rightwing response if our auto sector was allowed to collapse on his watch

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

WW2 was won with FDR as president. The policies he put forth for the average worker, including social security, built the middle class in America, which reagan and all other presidents after him, have tried to destroy.

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Like FDR said......People don't eat in the long run

You are wrong once again, before FDR came in, people ate through charitable agencies, but since a liberal saw this as a voting opportunity, when you enslave people by taking care of them(sorta like a pet, which you can abuse) then they are obliged to vote for those same people. I no longer shake my head in disbelief as I know why liberals think the way they do. I am going to post the reason once again, which they will ignore and whine and cry some more.

Liberals have a mental disorder, says doctor

"Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

It is a shame you libtards didn't go watch the Youtube post I put up about Margaret Thatcher, a woman, a Prime Minister, a strong leader for Free Markets. Oh yeah, she and Ronald Reagan helped defeat the Communists of East Germany and the USSR, which would make her EVIL. For you libtards, it is better to bring everyone down(Cat 1), so that way everyone is equal, than helping others make something of themselves(Cat 2), and not have to rely on the government. For since you libs fall into Cat 1, you cant compete in the realm of ideas, so must resort to other means to balance the playing field. Tax everyone, demean everyone, uneducated everyone. The Video is a typical liberal voter.

The misnamed Obama phone had nothing to do with Obama. It was implemented in 2008 as a modernization of a decade's old law from the 1930's and is not taxpayer funded.

See how stupid a liberal is, they cant understand that with Sarcasm I am pointing out that a woman lacking in knowledge believes that Obama was going to take care of her, a typical liberal voter, but since a liberal has no humor, they let it pass over their head(have no clue). This is why I ROFL with liberals.

 

[Camp]

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Like FDR said......People don't eat in the long run

You are wrong once again, before FDR came in, people ate through charitable agencies, but since a liberal saw this as a voting opportunity, when you enslave people by taking care of them(sorta like a pet, which you can abuse) then they are obliged to vote for those same people. I no longer shake my head in disbelief as I know why liberals think the way they do. I am going to post the reason once again, which they will ignore and whine and cry some more.

Liberals have a mental disorder, says doctor

"Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

How about if you answer the question about what welfare program FDR implemented instead of running away from it and deflecting away from answering the question you were asked.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The difference between a liberal and a conservative
Liberals would give a fish to a starving man so then that man must come back the next day begging for more. That is liberal compassion.
Conservatives would rather teach that starving man to fish so that man could be reliant on himself and not have to go begging for more. That is conservatism.
Have you notice under the 7 years of Obamanomics , Obamavilles popping up everywhere?

View attachment 60666

Interesting point

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond? That is what has happened in many of our urban areas. You can fish all day but there are still no jobs to be had.

In that case, we need the government to step in, provide fish, restock the pond or assist people in learning new skills or moving to an area with more fish.

That is the purpose of a modern government

Do you know why there is no fish in the pond in cities. Because liberals took over the cities, overpromised FREE stuff, while taxing those who worked, and soon those fishermen moved away to suburbia. Take a look at the Motor City Detroit, the most prosperous city after WWII. Unions public and private worked hand in hand with the liberal political hacks, and after 60 years, no more fish. The only ones left were those too poor to move away, but hey, everyone there in Detroit were equal. Equally poor and equally miserable. That is liberalism in a nutshell.

View attachment 60669

Actually it was corporate America who used up our cities and moved on to greener pastures

Union workers were not getting rich in Detroit. They lived in the same houses and same neighborhoods they had lived in for generations

It was the corporate executives that were getting rich, not the workers
It was their decisions that doomed the auto industry...not the workers who only wanted to maintain their standard of living

Government Motors Is Alive And Detroit Is Dead

Bankruptcy: The fundamental transformation of Detroit is complete, as socialism's theme park succumbs to government run amok, a reminder that government isn't the solution to our problems but their cause.

You know, union workers didn't get rich, but they were better off than the poor that kept voting in the liberal political hacks in office who were doing pretty well also. But those union executives DID get rich by siphoning off union Dues from the members and put much of that money into those same political hacks. But where did the money to the government unions(NEA and NFTA) eventually go? People were tired of being taxes so much, they got up and went to another state, leaving behind a city that crime escalated, shops closed, and drugs went rampant. If you put all the liberals on the west and the conservatives on the east with a wall between them, soon the west would look like East Germany and those people would be climbing over the wall like illegals do at our southern border, wanting to get the goodness that conservatives create.

Unfortunately you cannot get past the thick skull of a liberal, they have been brainwashed since their birth that they suck, so everyone else must suck also. View attachment 60671

Yes...President Obama did save the auto industry. He was accused of socialism, fascism and a government takeover

I can only imagine the rightwing response if our auto sector was allowed to collapse on his watch

WHAT!!!!!!!!! Maybe you better check again on Detroit. Did you know that GM pays no taxes? They now have plants in China? They are doing a stock buy back to increase their stock price, yet failed to pay US back 15 billion dollars out of the 30 billion they borrowed. Gee with friends like Obama, who needs enemies(or enemas) like Osama Bin Laden? Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass, you would see who the real enemy of the US is.

 

[rightwinger]

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Like FDR said......People don't eat in the long run

You are wrong once again, before FDR came in, people ate through charitable agencies, but since a liberal saw this as a voting opportunity, when you enslave people by taking care of them(sorta like a pet, which you can abuse) then they are obliged to vote for those same people. I no longer shake my head in disbelief as I know why liberals think the way they do. I am going to post the reason once again, which they will ignore and whine and cry some more.

Liberals have a mental disorder, says doctor

"Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

Charitable agencies? Are you shitting me?

Charity works great when the economy is strong and people look out for the poor family down the street

But when the whole town is poor....who contributes to your charities? What happens when 25% of the population needs to be fed?

FDR had to step in and help the people. His programs did that.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Like FDR said......People don't eat in the long run

You are wrong once again, before FDR came in, people ate through charitable agencies, but since a liberal saw this as a voting opportunity, when you enslave people by taking care of them(sorta like a pet, which you can abuse) then they are obliged to vote for those same people. I no longer shake my head in disbelief as I know why liberals think the way they do. I am going to post the reason once again, which they will ignore and whine and cry some more.

Liberals have a mental disorder, says doctor

"Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

Charitable agencies? Are you shitting me?

Charity works great when the economy is strong and people look out for the poor family down the street

But when the whole town is poor....who contributes to your charities? What happens when 25% of the population needs to be fed?

FDR had to step in and help the people. His programs did that.

Of course when the government was taking 90% of your income, today around 39% it is very hard after paying for high fuel, food and other necessities, to give to Charity, which is exactly why the liberals in government have put the pressure on the rest of US. I wouldn't shit you, because you are my favorite turd. The only reason why a whole town is poor means that a liberal is in charge and overspent the tax payer money for union votes. When 25% of the population starts to go hungry, they move to a more conservative area where people are willing to share their good fortune, not steal from one person to give to another. ROFL - maybe next time you might want to bring some intelligence to the conversation.

 

[Conservative65]

Agreed. FDR wasn't the first Progressive, but he was the first successful one. Gave us the total mess we are in today.

WW2 was won with FDR as president. The policies he put forth for the average worker, including social security, built the middle class in America, which reagan and all other presidents after him, have tried to destroy.

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Certain elements of Social Security included things considered social welfare.

 

[Conservative65]

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Like FDR said......People don't eat in the long run

You are wrong once again, before FDR came in, people ate through charitable agencies, but since a liberal saw this as a voting opportunity, when you enslave people by taking care of them(sorta like a pet, which you can abuse) then they are obliged to vote for those same people. I no longer shake my head in disbelief as I know why liberals think the way they do. I am going to post the reason once again, which they will ignore and whine and cry some more.

Liberals have a mental disorder, says doctor

"Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."

Charitable agencies? Are you shitting me?

Charity works great when the economy is strong and people look out for the poor family down the street

But when the whole town is poor....who contributes to your charities? What happens when 25% of the population needs to be fed?

FDR had to step in and help the people. His programs did that.

My responsibility is to my family. You seem to think that mine should have less than what I want in order that someone else have it handed to them.

Your problem is that when people don't give to charity the way you think they should, it's OK to take it from them. Not the case.

 

[PredFan]

Agreed. FDR wasn't the first Progressive, but he was the first successful one. Gave us the total mess we are in today.

WW2 was won with FDR as president. The policies he put forth for the average worker, including social security, built the middle class in America, which reagan and all other presidents after him, have tried to destroy.

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Nope.

 

[Conservative65]

We had wobble legs promising everyone everything and creating the mindset that it's the government's job to take care of you if something bad happens in your life. Freeloaders like that kind of thing and will vote for it.

What's the alternative your side offers? "I've got mine, fuck you?"

Except your guys can't say that openly, because no one would vote for that.

Which is why your side quietly supports middle class entitlements like Medicare and Social Security and Unemployment while denouncing "Welfare Queens". (When in fact, those middle class benefit make up far more of what government spends.)

Then to totally distract stupid people like you from noticing your good paying job is going to China or being replaced by a machine, they talk about guns or abortions or gays or the War on Christmas to play on your racial, religious or sexual fears.

NOw, since you have been totally conditioned not to notice this, please proceed with an angry rant about how you will shoot anyone who tries to take your guns.

The difference between a liberal and a conservative
Liberals would give a fish to a starving man so then that man must come back the next day begging for more. That is liberal compassion.
Conservatives would rather teach that starving man to fish so that man could be reliant on himself and not have to go begging for more. That is conservatism.
Have you notice under the 7 years of Obamanomics , Obamavilles popping up everywhere?

View attachment 60666

Interesting point

But what happens when there are no more fish in the pond? That is what has happened in many of our urban areas. You can fish all day but there are still no jobs to be had.

In that case, we need the government to step in, provide fish, restock the pond or assist people in learning new skills or moving to an area with more fish.

That is the purpose of a modern government

Do you know why there is no fish in the pond in cities. Because liberals took over the cities, overpromised FREE stuff, while taxing those who worked, and soon those fishermen moved away to suburbia. Take a look at the Motor City Detroit, the most prosperous city after WWII. Unions public and private worked hand in hand with the liberal political hacks, and after 60 years, no more fish. The only ones left were those too poor to move away, but hey, everyone there in Detroit were equal. Equally poor and equally miserable. That is liberalism in a nutshell.

View attachment 60669

Actually it was corporate America who used up our cities and moved on to greener pastures

Union workers were not getting rich in Detroit. They lived in the same houses and same neighborhoods they had lived in for generations

It was the corporate executives that were getting rich, not the workers
It was their decisions that doomed the auto industry...not the workers who only wanted to maintain their standard of living

When things go poorly, you blame it on the owners. Doubt you give owners credit when things go well. Typical.

 

[Conservative65]

n't

We had wobble legs promising everyone everything and creating the mindset that it's the government's job to take care of you if something bad happens in your life. Freeloaders like that kind of thing and will vote for it.

What's the alternative your side offers? "I've got mine, fuck you?"

Except your guys can't say that openly, because no one would vote for that.

Which is why your side quietly supports middle class entitlements like Medicare and Social Security and Unemployment while denouncing "Welfare Queens". (When in fact, those middle class benefit make up far more of what government spends.)

Then to totally distract stupid people like you from noticing your good paying job is going to China or being replaced by a machine, they talk about guns or abortions or gays or the War on Christmas to play on your racial, religious or sexual fears.

NOw, since you have been totally conditioned not to notice this, please proceed with an angry rant about how you will shoot anyone who tries to take your guns.

Since a liberal can never be happy, they must constantly berate US when we are at peace with ourselves. Notice how he says " I've Got mine, fuck you?" At one time everyone was able to help themselves and be happy, but once that chicken in the pot started, people became less self sufficient and more dependent on government. Today, those same shmoe's hate US because we can be happy with what he have(by earning it) while those who just sit in their basements, smoking pot and bitching about life, and want US punished. They even hate life , which is why they kill 33,000 born and unborn babies, they hate their own parents from bringing them into their sorry lives, and they hate themselves, since public education taught them they aren't worth shit. Must suck to be a liberal.

That vision you have of everyone being happy and being able to take care of themselves never existed.

Spoken like a true liberal. Did your mother piss in your cheerio's to make you so angry? It couldn't be your father, since he divorced your mother when you were young.

You sound like the angry one sir. Some anonymous person on a message board challenged one of your opinions and you answered with an attempt to insult and disparage. Something is wrong with you.

You're a Liberal. EVERYTHING wrong with that.

 

[Conservative65]

Agreed. FDR wasn't the first Progressive, but he was the first successful one. Gave us the total mess we are in today.

WW2 was won with FDR as president. The policies he put forth for the average worker, including social security, built the middle class in America, which reagan and all other presidents after him, have tried to destroy.

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

It is not the workers who have become wealthy in the last 30 years. Their standard of living has declined.

FDR provided a way to take care of those who need it. Corporate policies and wages have made sure that more people need it

Someone's lack of skills made sure they couldn't make it.

 

[Camp]

WW2 was won with FDR as president. The policies he put forth for the average worker, including social security, built the middle class in America, which reagan and all other presidents after him, have tried to destroy.

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Certain elements of Social Security included things considered social welfare.

Well, some folks look at Social Security as having elements of welfare, but it seems to me that the folks who complain about today's type of welfare also are proponents of people having to work for their government assistance. They are then the first to complain about FDR's New Deal programs. Those New Deal "welfare" programs required people to work for their "welfare". The successes of those programs are indisputable by virtue of the fact that so many of the results are still being used and benefitting the nation 75 or 80 years later.

 

[PredFan]

At any rate, FDR is far from our best POTUS.

 

[Camp]

n't

What's the alternative your side offers? "I've got mine, fuck you?"

Except your guys can't say that openly, because no one would vote for that.

Which is why your side quietly supports middle class entitlements like Medicare and Social Security and Unemployment while denouncing "Welfare Queens". (When in fact, those middle class benefit make up far more of what government spends.)

Then to totally distract stupid people like you from noticing your good paying job is going to China or being replaced by a machine, they talk about guns or abortions or gays or the War on Christmas to play on your racial, religious or sexual fears.

NOw, since you have been totally conditioned not to notice this, please proceed with an angry rant about how you will shoot anyone who tries to take your guns.

Since a liberal can never be happy, they must constantly berate US when we are at peace with ourselves. Notice how he says " I've Got mine, fuck you?" At one time everyone was able to help themselves and be happy, but once that chicken in the pot started, people became less self sufficient and more dependent on government. Today, those same shmoe's hate US because we can be happy with what he have(by earning it) while those who just sit in their basements, smoking pot and bitching about life, and want US punished. They even hate life , which is why they kill 33,000 born and unborn babies, they hate their own parents from bringing them into their sorry lives, and they hate themselves, since public education taught them they aren't worth shit. Must suck to be a liberal.

That vision you have of everyone being happy and being able to take care of themselves never existed.

Spoken like a true liberal. Did your mother piss in your cheerio's to make you so angry? It couldn't be your father, since he divorced your mother when you were young.

You sound like the angry one sir. Some anonymous person on a message board challenged one of your opinions and you answered with an attempt to insult and disparage. Something is wrong with you.

You're a Liberal. EVERYTHING wrong with that.

Very intellectual. We can see you were paying attention in the 4th grade.

 

[Conservative65]

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Certain elements of Social Security included things considered social welfare.

Well, some folks look at Social Security as having elements of welfare, but it seems to me that the folks who complain about today's type of welfare also are proponents of people having to work for their government assistance. They are then the first to complain about FDR's New Deal programs. Those New Deal "welfare" programs required people to work for their "welfare". The successes of those programs are indisputable by virtue of the fact that so many of the results are still being used and benefitting the nation 75 or 80 years later.

It's not a matter of looking at it that way, it IS that way.

There are elements of SS from FDR that don't require someone to work for their welfare. It's handed to them for nothing.

 

[PredFan]

Garbage. He's responsible for the welfare state and our crushing debt.

FDR is not responsible for our welfare state

That honor goes to our capitalists who shut down manufacturing and sent it overseas

Wrong.
That was the fault of the unions.
FDR gave us the welfare state.

What were the welfare programs FDR handed out and was responsible for? Are you talking about the relief programs where he made folks work on public works projects like building public works projects that are still being used today?

Certain elements of Social Security included things considered social welfare.

Well, some folks look at Social Security as having elements of welfare, but it seems to me that the folks who complain about today's type of welfare also are proponents of people having to work for their government assistance. They are then the first to complain about FDR's New Deal programs. Those New Deal "welfare" programs required people to work for their "welfare". The successes of those programs are indisputable by virtue of the fact that so many of the results are still being used and benefitting the nation 75 or 80 years later.

No one is complaining about the New Deal work programs. You made that up to try to spin the argument in your favor. Most of us, if we couldn't get welfare eliminated completely, would love to see work being a requirement for assistance.