Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[dblack]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

 

[dblack]

There's also a lingering mythology that says socialism requires government control of the economy.

Ok, george - now you're just farting on your keyboard. Socialism IS control of the economy.

 

[francoHFW]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

"Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed"
Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Lol
Socialism is unacceptable, it’s been tried countless times in countless forms and has a 100% failure rate so shut the fuck up

Actually you already are living in a socialist country, just a giveaway to the rich GOP mess with shity Health Care daycare college and training costs infrastructure etc etc all to save the rich, Super Dupe. Socialism hasn't failed yet with the modern definition, it is the final solution. See France Canada Australia Germany New Zealand Japan Scandinavia Spain Italy. Always Democratic faircapitalism
Except in Cold War dinosaur brain-washed GOP dupe world...

 

[georgephillip]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

 

[georgephillip]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

"Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed"
Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Lol
Socialism is unacceptable, it’s been tried countless times in countless forms and has a 100% failure rate so shut the fuck up

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

"Why do people so often cite the failures of democratic socialism by cherry picking their examples? Why not cite Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands — all countries that have successfully achieved a balance between capitalism and socialism?"

 

[Rustic]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

 

[Rustic]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

"Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed"
Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Lol
Socialism is unacceptable, it’s been tried countless times in countless forms and has a 100% failure rate so shut the fuck up

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

"Why do people so often cite the failures of democratic socialism by cherry picking their examples? Why not cite Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands — all countries that have successfully achieved a balance between capitalism and socialism?"

None of that’s a long term, long-term it has one hundred percent failure rate...

 

[bripat9643]

Who’s Afraid of Socialism? | Open Media Boston

"Capitalism’s incompatibility with majority interests has been reaffirmed by the current economic crisis.

"Earlier, the most severe effects of capitalism had been offset, within the US, by the progressive reforms of the 1930s.

"But capital’s political power was less restrained in this country than it was in the other rich countries.

"Flush with military might and bolstered by a mass right-wing culture of arrogant self-righteousness, US capital launched a withering counterattack against the New Deal legacy, culminating in an almost three-decade orgy of anti-welfare legislation, imperialist aggression, privatization, and deregulation."

Unrestrained profit maximization results in concentrating an enormous amount of surplus capital which can find few safe investments.

"Free market" capitalists turn to highly speculative scams which generate financial bubbles as the real economy continues to be hollowed out and the working class is driven deeper into debt.

Socialism would turn to government for an alternative, but US government is Goldman Sachs regardless of which major party is in control.

Anybody with any common sense or capacity to commit logic is afraid of socialism. All you have to do is look at Venezuela to see why you have to be insane to adopt such economic policies.

For christ fkin sake dude. Venezuela is a universe away from what we are and do. Just stop. Even amongst the left we understand that America was born and succeeded primarily as a capitalist nation and we still want that core. The failure of capitalism is negative externalities, failed markets, an aversion to even trying to fix problems, growing economic inequality. What we want is to use more a socialist toolset to address some of these problems as we've seen other nations successfully do and on the name of the well being of the people. No one here is saying let's be Venezuela. So seriously stfu and turn off your rotten news source.

Venezuela and its economy are also victims of US sanctions:

Trump’s Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela US$6bn Since August 2017

With right-wing governments in Colombia and Brazil, Trump and Pence have Venezuela in their regime change cross hairs.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Much of Venezuela's economic problems revolve around hyperinflation and that could be addressed in a matter of weeks if the US were to remove its sanctions.

Years and years of neglect of their oil industry won't be fixed soon even if Maduro eats a much deserved magazine of 7.62.

Tell your fuhrer to lift his sanctions and cease his efforts at regime change, and Venezuela will recover without any further "free market" murders.
"A Coup in Progress? Venezuelan Foreign Minister Decries U.S. & Brazil-Backed Effort to Oust Maduro..."

A Coup in Progress? Venezuelan Foreign Minister Decries U.S. & Brazil-Backed Effort to Oust Maduro | Democracy Now!

"The United States, Brazil and other nations have welcomed the effort.

"Vice President Mike Pence tweeted, the U.S. 'strongly supports the courageous decision by Juan Guaidó' to 'declare the country’s presidency vacant.'

"On the day of Maruro’s inauguration, January 10th, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called Guaidó to congratulate him on his election victory to head the National Assembly.

"Then, national security adviser John Bolton announced, quote, 'The United States does not recognize Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro’s illegitimate claim to power,' unquote.

"Brazil, now led by the far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, has gone a step further by saying it recognizes Juan Guaidó as the rightful president of Venezuela, even though Guaidó himself hasn’t even claimed that title.

"A group of Latin American countries known as the Lima Group also recently voted to not recognize the legitimacy of Maduro’s presidency.

"Mexico was the sole dissenter."

Nothing is as old or as trite as socialist boondoggles blaming the United States for their failures.

 

[bripat9643]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

There's also a lingering mythology that says socialism requires government control of the economy:

Democratic socialism - Wikipedia

"Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and democratic management of economic institutions within a market or some form of decentralized planned socialist economy,"

Socialism works when a majority of workers control the means of production through a social ownership mechanism.

Start With Worker Self-Directed Enterprises

Socialism never works, period. Yugoslavia had exactly the system you refer to, and it was an utter failure.

 

[georgephillip]

There's also a lingering mythology that says socialism requires government control of the economy.

Ok, george - now you're just farting on your keyboard. Socialism IS control of the economy.

All economies require some form of control, right?

TDC Exclusive: Rogues Gallery - Exposing the Group of 30 - The Daily Coin

If you had to choose between democratic control of your economy or the Group of Thirty, which would you select?

 

[francoHFW]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

We're halfway there with Trump and you nationalist in the GOP. Fascism is always totalitarian and it is right-wing totalitarianism despite your brainwash, super duper.

ask a British socialist or French socialist or German socialist or Scandinavian socialist or New Zealand socialist what socialism is, because you GOP dupes have absolutely no clue. Brainwashed Cold War dinosaurs...

 

[bripat9643]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

And advanced industrial economy without money is as unthinkable is an honest politician.

 

[bripat9643]

There's also a lingering mythology that says socialism requires government control of the economy.

Ok, george - now you're just farting on your keyboard. Socialism IS control of the economy.

All economies require some form of control, right?

TDC Exclusive: Rogues Gallery - Exposing the Group of 30 - The Daily Coin

If you had to choose between democratic control of your economy or the Group of Thirty, which would you select?

Nope.

 

[bripat9643]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

"Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed"
Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Lol
Socialism is unacceptable, it’s been tried countless times in countless forms and has a 100% failure rate so shut the fuck up

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

"Why do people so often cite the failures of democratic socialism by cherry picking their examples? Why not cite Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands — all countries that have successfully achieved a balance between capitalism and socialism?"

Because they aren't anymore socialist than the United States. Production in all these countries is still almost entirely in the hands of private companies.

 

[georgephillip]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

 

[jasonnfree]

Why get all tied up in 'isms'? But while we're at it, what's so great about corporatism , which is the system we're under now?

 

[bripat9643]

Socialism has no morality

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

Horseshit.

 

[georgephillip]

Why would anyone be afraid of something that has failed everytime it has been used?

Socialism "fails" because capitalists control world reserve currencies, the IMF and World Bank, and the most powerful military in history.

Andrew Neil on Twitter

"Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed"
Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

Lol
Socialism is unacceptable, it’s been tried countless times in countless forms and has a 100% failure rate so shut the fuck up

Democratic socialism has succeeded in many more places than it has failed

"Why do people so often cite the failures of democratic socialism by cherry picking their examples? Why not cite Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Japan, Australia, Italy, Canada, Norway, Spain, Finland, Ireland, Belgium, New Zealand, Austria, Switzerland or the Netherlands — all countries that have successfully achieved a balance between capitalism and socialism?"

Because they aren't anymore socialist than the United States. Production in all these countries is still almost entirely in the hands of private companies.

In most of those countries mentioned in my link, production may be in private hands, but the workers of those countries pay far less for health care, education, and "defense spending" than those of us in the US.

Socialists recognize government can serve as a fourth factor of production designed to lower the cost of living and doing business.

Simon Patten on Public Infrastructure and Economic Rent Capture | Michael Hudson

 

[dblack]

And they call it Democratic socialism just because the GOP has brainwashed so many people into believing that socialism is communism, the Cold War dinosaur brainwashed functional morons...

They call it Democratic Socialism because so many people have been brainwashed to think that democracy is inherently good. They'd probably be just as excited to see Democratic Fascism - which is what we're going to get.

We're halfway there with Trump and you nationalist in the GOP.

Me? I don't support the GOP.

Fascism is always totalitarian and it is right-wing totalitarianism despite your brainwash, super duper.

Dupe, dupe, dupe. You're like a (really annoying) broken record. I'm not right-wing. But I suppose two "sides" is all that fits in your brain.

 

[georgephillip]

Capitalism has the slave owner's morality.

"People across the political spectrum acknowledge that racism exists, but its origins are shrouded in mystery—deliberately so.

"Racism is presented as if it has always existed, and individuals make a personal choice to be racist.

"In reality racism was developed as a means of justifying the transatlantic slave trade, which was crucial for the birth of industrial capitalism."

Capitalism—a system born of slavery

Lol
Who sold the slaves to the plantation owners… other Africans the dumbass fucker

How many of the "other Africans" became millionaires from the transatlantic slave trade?

The Clear Connection Between Slavery And American Capitalism

"In the decades between the American Revolution and the Civil War, slavery—as a source of the cotton that fed Rhode Island’s mills, as a source of the wealth that filled New York’s banks, as a source of the markets that inspired Massachusetts manufacturers—proved indispensable to national economic development,' Beckert and Rockman write in the introduction to the book. '… Cotton offered a reason for entrepreneurs and inventors to build manufactories in such places as Lowell, Pawtucket, and Paterson, thereby connecting New England’s Industrial Revolution to the advancing plantation frontier of the Deep South. And financing cotton growing, as well as marketing and transporting the crop, was a source of great wealth for the nation’s merchants and banks.'"

Lol
Africans were selling other Africans long before the United States was formed so shut the fuck up

The parasitic life style that you and I and all other Americans enjoy today was made possible by chattel slavery; sorry if you find reality upsetting.

Slavery Made America - The Atlantic

"by 1860, there were more millionaires (slaveholders all) living in the lower Mississippi Valley than anywhere else in the United States.

"In the same year, the nearly 4 million American slaves were worth some $3.5 billion, making them the largest single financial asset in the entire U.S. economy, worth more than all manufacturing and railroads combined.

"So, of course, the war was rooted in these two expanding and competing economies—but competing over what? What eventually tore asunder America's political culture was slavery's expansion into the Western territories."

Horseshit.

https://www.history.com/news/slavery-profitable-southern-economy