Who's English is the best here?

[Hossfly]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

 

[yiostheoy]

Kind of on topic...one of my all time favorites:

Great visual for little kids -- elementary school.

 

[yiostheoy]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

You're too late.

The cat (all y'all) is already out of the bag.

 

[Hossfly]

It looks like nobody knows the plural of "y'all."

I'll give this a few days to see if any true Texan's knows.

"Functionally, the emergence of y'all can be traced to the merging of singular and plural second-person pronouns in Early Modern English.[4] Y'all thus fills in the gap created by the absence of a separate second-person plural pronoun in standard modern English. Y'all is unique in that the stressed form that it contracts (you-all) is converted to an unstressed form.[9]

"The usage of y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural, a collective pronoun, an institutional pronoun, and an indefinite pronoun.[5][10]

"Y'all serves as a "tone-setting device to express familiarity and solidarity."[11] When used in the singular, y'all can be used to convey a feeling of warmth towards the addressee.[12] In this way, singular usage of y'all differs from French, Russian or German, where plural forms can be used for formal singular instances.[12]"

Even wiki is better versed than y'all.

Y'all - Wikipedia

Dammit koshergrl the ANSWER is IN THERE and you are giving it away !!!

STFU.

"y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural"

Is that like fuck can be a noun, verb, adverb, and adjective?

And what about "youz guyz"?

"Youz guys" is Bronx or Philly, yes.

Youse is an Irishism. Nothing specific to "Bronx or Philly" --- you'll find it where there was Irish working-class immigration. Sometimes.

Youse is strictly Italian-American that originated in New Yawk. You'ns is Appalachian and Y'all is pure mush mouth Southron.

 

[yiostheoy]

"Functionally, the emergence of y'all can be traced to the merging of singular and plural second-person pronouns in Early Modern English.[4] Y'all thus fills in the gap created by the absence of a separate second-person plural pronoun in standard modern English. Y'all is unique in that the stressed form that it contracts (you-all) is converted to an unstressed form.[9]

"The usage of y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural, a collective pronoun, an institutional pronoun, and an indefinite pronoun.[5][10]

"Y'all serves as a "tone-setting device to express familiarity and solidarity."[11] When used in the singular, y'all can be used to convey a feeling of warmth towards the addressee.[12] In this way, singular usage of y'all differs from French, Russian or German, where plural forms can be used for formal singular instances.[12]"

Even wiki is better versed than y'all.

Y'all - Wikipedia

Dammit koshergrl the ANSWER is IN THERE and you are giving it away !!!

STFU.

"y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural"

Is that like fuck can be a noun, verb, adverb, and adjective?

And what about "youz guyz"?

"Youz guys" is Bronx or Philly, yes.

Youse is an Irishism. Nothing specific to "Bronx or Philly" --- you'll find it where there was Irish working-class immigration. Sometimes.

Youse is strictly Italian-American that originated in New Yawk.

I know a NYC Jew who uses/used it a lot.

 

[Pogo]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

You're too late.

The cat (all y'all) is already out of the bag.

There never was a "bag". Unless you'd care to essplain to the class how the word all in y'all (you + all) makes a singular while on the other hand the word all in all y'all makes it a plural. Same word.

You can't do it.

 

[MisterBeale]

Please list all candidates. Foreigners are not counted, I want to speak pure American English

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

And then there is also Canuck English, Auzzie English, and Kiwi English too.

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

In the South they drawl their vowels.

BS.

Everyone that has seen "My Fair Lady," knows this.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Kind of on topic...one of my all time favorites:

I like that one too. I think it's great for as much about conjunctions as it covers, which is certainly enough for the target audience.

 

[Pogo]

"Functionally, the emergence of y'all can be traced to the merging of singular and plural second-person pronouns in Early Modern English.[4] Y'all thus fills in the gap created by the absence of a separate second-person plural pronoun in standard modern English. Y'all is unique in that the stressed form that it contracts (you-all) is converted to an unstressed form.[9]

"The usage of y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural, a collective pronoun, an institutional pronoun, and an indefinite pronoun.[5][10]

"Y'all serves as a "tone-setting device to express familiarity and solidarity."[11] When used in the singular, y'all can be used to convey a feeling of warmth towards the addressee.[12] In this way, singular usage of y'all differs from French, Russian or German, where plural forms can be used for formal singular instances.[12]"

Even wiki is better versed than y'all.

Y'all - Wikipedia

Dammit koshergrl the ANSWER is IN THERE and you are giving it away !!!

STFU.

"y'all can satisfy several grammatical functions, including an associative plural"

Is that like fuck can be a noun, verb, adverb, and adjective?

And what about "youz guyz"?

"Youz guys" is Bronx or Philly, yes.

Youse is an Irishism. Nothing specific to "Bronx or Philly" --- you'll find it where there was Irish working-class immigration. Sometimes.

Youse is strictly Italian-American that originated in New Yawk.

No, it's an Irishism, northern Irish specifically. I didn't grow up in Noo Yawk and I heard it in the Irish Catholic neighborhood. Although we, an Irish Catholic family, never used it as it was below our class. Although there's a case to be made that it's more Protestant-Irish than Catholic-Irish if we want to split heirs.

Hee hee split heirs I kill me

I have no doubt it's equally pervasive in Boston or Chicago, which are also Irish pop centers. Doesn't have anything to do with the city they landed or settled in.

 

[Hossfly]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

You're too late.

The cat (all y'all) is already out of the bag.

There never was a "bag". Unless you'd care to essplain to the class how the word all in y'all (you + all) makes a singular while on the other hand the word all in all y'all makes it a plural. Same word.

You can't do it.

Y'all is used to speak to one person or a herd of persons.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Please list all candidates. Foreigners are not counted, I want to speak pure American English

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

And then there is also Canuck English, Auzzie English, and Kiwi English too.

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

In the South they drawl their vowels.

BS.

Everyone that has seen "My Fair Lady," knows this.

Well, I can generally manage well enough with folks "murdering" the English language so long as they do so in a way that leaves their meaning clear and unambiguous. Besides, the vast majority of folks who would do so rarely have something to say that's critical for me to comprehend. There are, of course, exceptions. Donald Trump is one exception, but only because (1) he sought to be POTUS and (2) he won the election. I find it highly problematic that a person in either of those two circumstances -- along with other leadership roles -- communicates with vague and/or ambiguous expressions. And, no, it doesn't matter what they lead; it could be Sunday choir, and I'd feel the same. If one must lead others, one must communicate clearly and unambiguously.

 

[yiostheoy]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

You're too late.

The cat (all y'all) is already out of the bag.

There never was a "bag". Unless you'd care to essplain to the class how the word all in y'all (you + all) makes a singular while on the other hand the word all in all y'all makes it a plural. Same word.

You can't do it.

Y'all is used to speak to one person or a herd of persons.

You are correct that you are not a true Texan.

Thank you.

 

[RodISHI]

Simplicity is not an easy task for the overly educated tribe.

overly educated

Now there's a fine example of an oxymoron.

I could have said the excessively instead of overly but the later count took up less space to keep the diatribe down.

I could have said the excessively instead of overly

"Overly," "excessively" and "too" are, in the contest of your statement, synonymous; thus doing so would not have altered the oxymoronic nature of the remark.

Perhaps, however, you'd care to share with us just how one can have too much education. Frankly, I can't imagine that's possible. I think it's possible to make a qualitative judgment about how much education one needs or should have in various situations and life circumstances, but the notion that there is such a thing as absolutely being over educated is preposterous.

As very wise person once told me that if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner. Formal education, knowledge base and wisdom are not all one in the same even though some may believe that they are. One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner.

Yes, I've also heard that saying. It's quite effective when one must convey instruction and one is well advised to use that approach in such instances.

I've observed, however, that when one speaks as though one were speaking to a kindergartener, one is quite likely to get kindergartener grade responses to one's adult remarks. Thus if one doesn't care to be responded to by children or adults who think and remark like children, it's best not to communicate as a child might.

Ultimately one should choose one's approach to communication based upon one's targeted audience, not based merely upon who might come by one's remarks.

One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

Be that as it may, quite often common sense is neither. Additionally, for whatever value so-called common sense has, it's certainly not the entirety of sense one must have; moreover, it's usually not nearly enough sense. To wit, think of how often people use common sense to choose/give an answer on an exam only to be wrong. Take a college-level course in macroeconomics and you'll come by many principles that are indeed so and that common sense, for most people, never indicates. Also, consider that common or any other kind of sense would tell one to do myriad things to be highly successful (at "whatever") and look at how many people do few or none of those things when in fact they should have done them religiously.

Let me offer a simple (highly summarized) example....

In the 1980s and '90s, the portent of the role of microprocessing were all over the place. It was on TV and in movie theaters as news and as entertainment. Countless authors wrote about the potential of computers and the impacts they would have on society. Common sense, assuming one had it, instructed one to prepare for the coming transformation wrought by the silicon chip.

How many people paid attention and prepared themselves for the change? Sure, millions did, but a lot of folks didn't, and now those who didn't are the vocal horde bemoaning that there are no physical labor jobs that pay well enough to sustain the "middle class" lifestyle they (or their parents) -- a lifestyle that because it was "middle class" provided them with the resources needed to purchase the requisite preparation -- once enjoyed.

Common sense tells one that while one may not like "what's inexorably coming," one must nonetheless be prepared to thrive once "it" arrives. Common sense says that what one likes doesn't much matter, what one does is what matters, and what one does had better be well thought out and reasonably effective, enough such that one isn't "f*cked" when the inevitable occurs.

Common sense says that one must go with the flow. Now, that doesn't mean just being a patsy; it means one finds a way to work with, not against, that which one cannot change. For example, we don't stop rivers, we figure out how to harness their power.​

When you harnessed the power of the river did you allow for the fish and other critters that depend on the free-flowing streams of that river? If you didn't the whole Eco-system of that river and what it serves will ultimately die off and very possibly become diseased from the parasites that live in stagnant waters. Was that even a consideration when you thought you could, should or would harness the power of that river?

 

[yiostheoy]

Please list all candidates. Foreigners are not counted, I want to speak pure American English

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

And then there is also Canuck English, Auzzie English, and Kiwi English too.

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

In the South they drawl their vowels.

BS.

Everyone that has seen "My Fair Lady," knows this.

Well, I can generally manage well enough with folks "murdering" the English language so long as they do so in a way that leaves their meaning clear and unambiguous. Besides, the vast majority of folks who would do so rarely have something to say that's critical for me to comprehend. There are, of course, exceptions. Donald Trump is one exception, but only because (1) he sought to be POTUS and (2) he won the election. I find it highly problematic that a person in either of those two circumstances -- along with other leadership roles -- communicates with vague and/or ambiguous expressions. And, no, it doesn't matter what they lead; it could be Sunday choir, and I'd feel the same. If one must lead others, one must communicate clearly and unambiguously.

Too bad you were not around for Nixon or LBJ.

They were both lying scoundrels.

Nixon lied about Watergate and LBJ lied about Viet Nam.

Then the only thing that would bother you about Trump is ineptitude and being a simpleton.

Lies would not matter.

He got elected with lies.

Question is can he now deliver anything that he lied about and get re-elected?

 

[xotoxi]

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

...

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

My grandfather, who was from Coastal Maine and had a fairly thick accent, was travelling in England once...and a British person asked him what part of England he was from.*

And while I was in college, I had many debates with my mid-western friends about how the words CAUGHT and COT are pronounced. In New England, we pronounce them exactly the same.


* Or they probably said "from what part of England are you?"

 

[yiostheoy]

Now there's a fine example of an oxymoron.

I could have said the excessively instead of overly but the later count took up less space to keep the diatribe down.

I could have said the excessively instead of overly

"Overly," "excessively" and "too" are, in the contest of your statement, synonymous; thus doing so would not have altered the oxymoronic nature of the remark.

Perhaps, however, you'd care to share with us just how one can have too much education. Frankly, I can't imagine that's possible. I think it's possible to make a qualitative judgment about how much education one needs or should have in various situations and life circumstances, but the notion that there is such a thing as absolutely being over educated is preposterous.

As very wise person once told me that if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner. Formal education, knowledge base and wisdom are not all one in the same even though some may believe that they are. One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner.

Yes, I've also heard that saying. It's quite effective when one must convey instruction and one is well advised to use that approach in such instances.

I've observed, however, that when one speaks as though one were speaking to a kindergartener, one is quite likely to get kindergartener grade responses to one's adult remarks. Thus if one doesn't care to be responded to by children or adults who think and remark like children, it's best not to communicate as a child might.

Ultimately one should choose one's approach to communication based upon one's targeted audience, not based merely upon who might come by one's remarks.

One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

Be that as it may, quite often common sense is neither. Additionally, for whatever value so-called common sense has, it's certainly not the entirety of sense one must have; moreover, it's usually not nearly enough sense. To wit, think of how often people use common sense to choose/give an answer on an exam only to be wrong. Take a college-level course in macroeconomics and you'll come by many principles that are indeed so and that common sense, for most people, never indicates. Also, consider that common or any other kind of sense would tell one to do myriad things to be highly successful (at "whatever") and look at how many people do few or none of those things when in fact they should have done them religiously.

Let me offer a simple (highly summarized) example....

In the 1980s and '90s, the portent of the role of microprocessing were all over the place. It was on TV and in movie theaters as news and as entertainment. Countless authors wrote about the potential of computers and the impacts they would have on society. Common sense, assuming one had it, instructed one to prepare for the coming transformation wrought by the silicon chip.

How many people paid attention and prepared themselves for the change? Sure, millions did, but a lot of folks didn't, and now those who didn't are the vocal horde bemoaning that there are no physical labor jobs that pay well enough to sustain the "middle class" lifestyle they (or their parents) -- a lifestyle that because it was "middle class" provided them with the resources needed to purchase the requisite preparation -- once enjoyed.

Common sense tells one that while one may not like "what's inexorably coming," one must nonetheless be prepared to thrive once "it" arrives. Common sense says that what one likes doesn't much matter, what one does is what matters, and what one does had better be well thought out and reasonably effective, enough such that one isn't "f*cked" when the inevitable occurs.

Common sense says that one must go with the flow. Now, that doesn't mean just being a patsy; it means one finds a way to work with, not against, that which one cannot change. For example, we don't stop rivers, we figure out how to harness their power.​

When you harnessed the power of the river did you allow for the fish and other critters that depend on the free-flowing streams of that river? If you didn't the whole Eco-system of that river and what it serves will ultimately die off and very possibly become diseased from the parasites that live in stagnant waters. Was that even a consideration when you thought you could, should or would harness the power of that river?

How did we get onto fishing ??

 

[yiostheoy]

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

...

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

My grandfather, who was from Coastal Maine and had a fairly thick accent, was travelling in England once...and a British person asked him what part of England he was from.

And while I was in college, I had many debates with my mid-western friends about how the words CAUGHT and COT are pronounced. In New England, we pronounce them exactly the same.

My dad was from Illinois and I was raised in Florida.

It would annoy him when I would pronounce "creek" like "meek" instead of like "cricket".

And he would say "route" as in "out" while I said it like "root".

 

[RodISHI]

Dammit still no authentic real Texans here yet ??

Hossfly !!

Where the fokk are you man ??

I've spent a lot of time in Texas but I'm a native Appalachian Marylander and have lived in Charlotte and Ft. Worth for the past 39 years. I haven't read 1/10th of this thread but from what I've seen so far it ain't purty.

I thought that spellin' was purdy?

 

[xotoxi]

I could have said the excessively instead of overly but the later count took up less space to keep the diatribe down.

I could have said the excessively instead of overly

"Overly," "excessively" and "too" are, in the contest of your statement, synonymous; thus doing so would not have altered the oxymoronic nature of the remark.

Perhaps, however, you'd care to share with us just how one can have too much education. Frankly, I can't imagine that's possible. I think it's possible to make a qualitative judgment about how much education one needs or should have in various situations and life circumstances, but the notion that there is such a thing as absolutely being over educated is preposterous.

As very wise person once told me that if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner. Formal education, knowledge base and wisdom are not all one in the same even though some may believe that they are. One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

if you really desire to get someone people's attention speak as though talking to a kindergartner.

Yes, I've also heard that saying. It's quite effective when one must convey instruction and one is well advised to use that approach in such instances.

I've observed, however, that when one speaks as though one were speaking to a kindergartener, one is quite likely to get kindergartener grade responses to one's adult remarks. Thus if one doesn't care to be responded to by children or adults who think and remark like children, it's best not to communicate as a child might.

Ultimately one should choose one's approach to communication based upon one's targeted audience, not based merely upon who might come by one's remarks.

One can be totally educated to the highest degree and yet still have the common sense total idiot.

Be that as it may, quite often common sense is neither. Additionally, for whatever value so-called common sense has, it's certainly not the entirety of sense one must have; moreover, it's usually not nearly enough sense. To wit, think of how often people use common sense to choose/give an answer on an exam only to be wrong. Take a college-level course in macroeconomics and you'll come by many principles that are indeed so and that common sense, for most people, never indicates. Also, consider that common or any other kind of sense would tell one to do myriad things to be highly successful (at "whatever") and look at how many people do few or none of those things when in fact they should have done them religiously.

Let me offer a simple (highly summarized) example....

In the 1980s and '90s, the portent of the role of microprocessing were all over the place. It was on TV and in movie theaters as news and as entertainment. Countless authors wrote about the potential of computers and the impacts they would have on society. Common sense, assuming one had it, instructed one to prepare for the coming transformation wrought by the silicon chip.

How many people paid attention and prepared themselves for the change? Sure, millions did, but a lot of folks didn't, and now those who didn't are the vocal horde bemoaning that there are no physical labor jobs that pay well enough to sustain the "middle class" lifestyle they (or their parents) -- a lifestyle that because it was "middle class" provided them with the resources needed to purchase the requisite preparation -- once enjoyed.

Common sense tells one that while one may not like "what's inexorably coming," one must nonetheless be prepared to thrive once "it" arrives. Common sense says that what one likes doesn't much matter, what one does is what matters, and what one does had better be well thought out and reasonably effective, enough such that one isn't "f*cked" when the inevitable occurs.

Common sense says that one must go with the flow. Now, that doesn't mean just being a patsy; it means one finds a way to work with, not against, that which one cannot change. For example, we don't stop rivers, we figure out how to harness their power.​

When you harnessed the power of the river did you allow for the fish and other critters that depend on the free-flowing streams of that river? If you didn't the whole Eco-system of that river and what it serves will ultimately die off and very possibly become diseased from the parasites that live in stagnant waters. Was that even a consideration when you thought you could, should or would harness the power of that river?

How did we get onto fishing ??

 

[Hossfly]

Very few people realize there is actually quite a difference between British English and American English.

...

In Boston they don't pronounce the "R".

My grandfather, who was from Coastal Maine and had a fairly thick accent, was travelling in England once...and a British person asked him what part of England he was from.*

And while I was in college, I had many debates with my mid-western friends about how the words CAUGHT and COT are pronounced. In New England, we pronounce them exactly the same.


* Or they probably said "from what part of England are you?"

New Englanders ain't right in the head, as granny used to say.