Who's the most honest?

[Redfish]

I think a lot of people can see that Hillary is two faced. It's not that inaccurate statements come out of her mouth as much as that they can't trust who she is. When the camera is off, there is no audience, Hillary is not the person she pretends to be. There's a difference between that and inaccurate statements, and it is fundamentally untrustworthy. Trump is more genuine. He may be telling a bunch of absolute falsehoods up there, but he is definitely being who he is. Hence all the screaming about his many, many statements...

Yes...he's genuinely dishonest. How do you reconcile "he is more genuine" with the fact that he demonstrably lies more than any other candidate? Isn't being honest a requisite for "being genuine"?

First, a lot of the "lies" Trump tells are exaggerated and sloppy statements, such as "We don't know who they are or where they come from" about refugees. We do know who the vast majority of them are and where they come from, through an exhaustive vetting process. He probably knows about the processes in place; he is exaggerating the number that may be entering without any proof of identity. Like swearing up and down that 'thousands' of Muslims in New Jersey were cheering the fall of the Twin Towers. Thousands were celebrating in the Middle East--he just kind of conflated where those people were. So there's a kernel of truth in his statements--and the first time he said it, he may well have believed it. The thing about Trump is, he can't admit a mistake, so when he does these things he has to keep defending himself, in light of evidence to the contrary. I don't call those statements "Lies" as in coldly and deliberately deciding to tell falsehoods to voters in order to get elected. I don't think he's doing that. That is much more Hillary's thing.
BTW, I can't stand Trump. I just see his "lies" as somewhat different from the walking talking breathing lie that is Hillary Clinton.

Do we know which ones of them have ties to radical muslim organizations that want YOU dead?

I do not understand why you libs empathize with people who want to kill you and your families. Can you explain that?

 

[Czernobog]

The majority of Clinton's statements have been true, while the majority of Trump's have not. That is a demonstrable fact. You can dismiss it, if you like, that doesn't stop it from being a fact.

You only demonstrate what I said in my OP. You do not carte about the facts, or reality; only about the narrative that conservative media has very effectively crafted.

Less crooked. Not as evil. Doesn't lie as much.

Would you put any of that on your resume and still expect to be hired?

"I don't steal as much from the places I work for as Bernie Madoff did."

"More honest"

"Not evil"

"More trustworthy"

Yeah. I do think these are qualities worth noting. Particularlyh in a campaign where a proven liar is calling the honesty and integrity of a candidate into question.

"we landed under sniper fire"

I REMEMBER - people have faulty memories all the time. That doesn't make them lies.

"I never sent classified emails on my server"

And she didn't send any classified e-mails at the time. The fact that the CIA has since classified some documents that were not classified, at the time, does not make her statement a lie.

CLINTON: "I did not send any classified e-mails.

CIA: "We are classifying these documents."

REPUBLICANS: "Ya did now!!!"

That is simply not how it works, sorry. She didn't lie.

"I always try to tell the truth"

And the data seems to support that claim.

"It was caused by a video"

That wasn't a lie; it was a statement made with the intel she had at the time. Even if you were to insist that it was a flat-out lie, I thought that was Obama's lie, not Hillary's?

"we left the whitehouse dead broke"

Yeah, okay. An over-the-top euphamism. Somehow doesn't seem worthy of the vitriol being thrown.
So, you got maybe one actual lie, and that was Obama's that Clinton repeated, doing her job. Oh, the horror! She's clearly unfit to be President!!!

Ok, lets just address the one about classified emails.

its not the markings that make data classified, its the content. If I have classified data stored in my brain and then write it on paper, I have created a classified document, whether I mark it classified doesn't matter.

I held top secret and SAP clearances for years, If I did what she did I would be typing this from a prison cell. There is absolutely no doubt that she violated national security laws.[/QUOTE]
Well, the feds don't seem to agree. Still no charges.

 

[Redfish]

Less crooked. Not as evil. Doesn't lie as much.

Would you put any of that on your resume and still expect to be hired?

"I don't steal as much from the places I work for as Bernie Madoff did."

"More honest"

"Not evil"

"More trustworthy"

Yeah. I do think these are qualities worth noting. Particularlyh in a campaign where a proven liar is calling the honesty and integrity of a candidate into question.

"we landed under sniper fire"

I REMEMBER - people have faulty memories all the time. That doesn't make them lies.

"I never sent classified emails on my server"

And she didn't send any classified e-mails at the time. The fact that the CIA has since classified some documents that were not classified, at the time, does not make her statement a lie.

CLINTON: "I did not send any classified e-mails.

CIA: "We are classifying these documents."

REPUBLICANS: "Ya did now!!!"

That is simply not how it works, sorry. She didn't lie.

"I always try to tell the truth"

And the data seems to support that claim.

"It was caused by a video"

That wasn't a lie; it was a statement made with the intel she had at the time. Even if you were to insist that it was a flat-out lie, I thought that was Obama's lie, not Hillary's?

"we left the whitehouse dead broke"

Yeah, okay. An over-the-top euphamism. Somehow doesn't seem worthy of the vitriol being thrown.
So, you got maybe one actual lie, and that was Obama's that Clinton repeated, doing her job. Oh, the horror! She's clearly unfit to be President!!!

Ok, lets just address the one about classified emails.

its not the markings that make data classified, its the content. If I have classified data stored in my brain and then write it on paper, I have created a classified document, whether I mark it classified doesn't matter.

I held top secret and SAP clearances for years, If I did what she did I would be typing this from a prison cell. There is absolutely no doubt that she violated national security laws.

Well, the feds don't seem to agree. Still no charges.[/QUOTE]


The feds do agree. Politics is blocking an indictment. If HRC was a republican she would already be tried and convicted. Patreaus did much less and was convicted.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Asking questions, based on your own pre-conceived notions, does not alter the facts. Trump has been demonstrably more dishonest than Clinton.

Neither one of them deserve to be elected dog catcher.

You are the problem in this country, not the solution.