WHY a "secret", "confidential" IAEA and Iran agreement...Unseen by USA?

[Wildman]

Could that be why the Iranian hardliners are bitching about the deal now???

hummmm.., very interesting....,. but! iread this morning on one of the "news" site, they already have their nuke weapon.

still very interesting if true what will the demoscum leadership do about it ??????

 

[occupied]

We already know where all their nuclear shit is and have the capability to destroy it a hundred times over. For you warhawks, an agreement gives the West the moral authority to attack their nuclear program if they do not keep up their end of the deal.

Wow, so you're saying Obama is setting us up for a war with Iran, right???
The odd reality of Iran's centrifuges: Enough for a bomb, not power

Nope, I am saying that If they want a bomb that bad they will have one no matter what we do but if they do not play nice with their new toy we will rain death down on them. You people are acting like the US is negotiating from weakness somehow forgetting about our insanely large military capability.

So now you're definitely saying Obozo is setting us up for a nuclear war, right???

God dammit, do you just not know how to read? Setting us up? No we are offering the Iranians a way out of an inevitable war that allows them to save face. I know you guys wanted nothing less than unconditional capitulation but that was never going to happen and we were going to have to attack their nuclear capability.

How naive! You think these religious zealots are concerned about saving face?
Professor Bernard Lewis, in 2009, said on the question of Iran's nuclear weapon, "For most of the Iranian leadership MAD would work as a deterrent, but for Ahmadinejad and his group with their apocalyptic mindset, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement."

True, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is no longer the Iranian president, and the current president, Hassan Rouhani is often deemed by the west a pragmatist and a reformer, but he has openly bragged about hoodwinking the United States in the past.

Further, the apocalyptic mindset is not something unique to Ahmadinejad and his followers. It has deep roots in Shi'ite belief. That -- plus raw superstition, a large measure of religious fanaticism, and a cult of martyrdom -- makes Iran the most dangerous country on the planet today.
Iran's Supreme Leader: "Death to America"

If Iran was actually like that it would look more like Afghanistan rather than a modernized and educated country. Trying to turn them into a nation bent on mass suicide just does not work when you take a good look at how they manage themselves. If they were as fatalistic and crazy as you say they would have mounted attacks that were clearly a good reason to attack them back. But that has not happened. In action they show a great deal of calculation and restraint that is out of character with this suicide bomber characterization the Israeli lobbyists and their republican allies are fond of.

 

[G.T.]

We already know where all their nuclear shit is and have the capability to destroy it a hundred times over. For you warhawks, an agreement gives the West the moral authority to attack their nuclear program if they do not keep up their end of the deal.

So you have no problem giving Iran $150 billion which according to Obama some of which will be used to kill people possibly Americans in exchange for what? Why the rush to remove sanctions when sanctions were the only reason Iran came to the table.
Plus have you heard any American leaders say as these Iranian leaders said:

the supreme leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, spoke at a conference where the crowd burst into a roaring chant, shouting,
“Death to America!”
As the crowd grew louder and voiced their true hatred for the United States and the Western world in general, the ayatollah then said to the crowd, “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.”
ALERT: Iranian Leader Calls for "Death to America"... Obama's Response is Astounding

How can you "give" them something you "took" from them?

What a hack job.

Like "subsidy," same thing.

um yea; it was their money. but if you're giving it back dont even try to say you still have any leverage. you have an empty agreement with a country that has a less than 3-month break-out time for a nuclear weapon; with gazzillions of money not just what we were holding, but what we prevented other countries from giving them, and can continue making their nukes and easily delay long enough until they are finished

Of course you still have leverage dumb dumb.

The whole reason to take the cashflow in the 1st place was to get them to cave on negotiations.

And look, now they come and cave and you all still want to get to keep what forced them to cave? Youre like school kids sort of.

Also, if we took it once we can take it again, likkity split. Im sure the Adults in Iran understand this.

 

[Obiwan]

Could that be why the Iranian hardliners are bitching about the deal now???

hummmm.., very interesting....,. but! iread this morning on one of the "news" site, they already have their nuke weapon.

still very interesting if true what will the demoscum leadership do about it ??????

Maybe they'll do what Obozo promised...

 

[healthmyths]

We already know where all their nuclear shit is and have the capability to destroy it a hundred times over. For you warhawks, an agreement gives the West the moral authority to attack their nuclear program if they do not keep up their end of the deal.

So you have no problem giving Iran $150 billion which according to Obama some of which will be used to kill people possibly Americans in exchange for what? Why the rush to remove sanctions when sanctions were the only reason Iran came to the table.
Plus have you heard any American leaders say as these Iranian leaders said:

the supreme leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, spoke at a conference where the crowd burst into a roaring chant, shouting,
“Death to America!”
As the crowd grew louder and voiced their true hatred for the United States and the Western world in general, the ayatollah then said to the crowd, “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure.”
ALERT: Iranian Leader Calls for "Death to America"... Obama's Response is Astounding

How can you "give" them something you "took" from them?

What a hack job.

Like "subsidy," same thing.

um yea; it was their money. but if you're giving it back dont even try to say you still have any leverage. you have an empty agreement with a country that has a less than 3-month break-out time for a nuclear weapon; with gazzillions of money not just what we were holding, but what we prevented other countries from giving them, and can continue making their nukes and easily delay long enough until they are finished

Of course you still have leverage dumb dumb.

The whole reason to take the cashflow in the 1st place was to get them to cave on negotiations.

And look, now they come and cave and you all still want to get to keep what forced them to cave? Youre like school kids sort of.

Also, if we took it once we can take it again, likkity split. Im sure the Adults in Iran understand this.

These are the "Iranian" Adults!

“Iran’s Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are convinced that the End of Days has come.
They believe the Shia messiah known as the ‘Twelfth Imam’ or the ‘Mahdi’ will appear soon to establish a global Islamic kingdom known as the caliphate. What’s more, they believe the way to hasten the coming of the Twelfth Imam is to annihilate Israel (which they call the ‘Little Satan’), and the United States (which they call the ‘Great Satan’).” [Joel C. Rosenberg, ‘Why Iran’s Top Leaders Believe That the End of Days Has Come‘, 7 Nov. 2011]

Ayatollah Ibrahim Amini wrote a book citing a Muslim tradition of eschatology in which the Muslims kill all who refuse to convert to Islam:
On seeing the fulfillment of many of the signs promised in the traditions, a large number of unbelievers will turn towards Islam. Those who persist in their disbelief and wickedness shall be killed by the soldiers of the Mahdi. The only victorious government in the entire world will be that of Islam and people will devotedly endeavor to protect it. Islam will be the religion of everyone, and will enter all the nations of the world.”
[…]
“The Mahdi will offer the religion of Islam to the Jews and the Christians; if they accept it they will be spared, otherwise they will be killed.” [Ibrahim Amini, Al-Imam al-Mahdi, chapter 14]

In this particular Muslim view of eschatology, Christians and Jews and other ‘infidels’ must convert to Islam during the end times. Otherwise, it is an Islamic religious obligation to destroy them.
Radical Shia Eschatology, Iran's View of the End Times
AGAIN THESE ARE THE "IRANIAN" Adults!!!

 

[G.T.]

You could just write "i hate obama" and spare us the tourettes.

 

[healthmyths]

You could just write "i hate obama" and spare us the tourettes.

Your solution is like this picture!
But maybe I need to clarify being the FFO,LIP that you are!
See your suggestion is like the Ostrich trying to ignore the problem by not seeing the problem the ostrich thinks the problem will go away! Do you understand? I hope I made it simple enough for you amidst all this complicated adult dialogue!

 

[cnm]

Professor Bernard Lewis, in 2009, said on the question of Iran's nuclear weapon, "For most of the Iranian leadership MAD would work as a deterrent, but for Ahmadinejad and his group with their apocalyptic mindset, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement."

Bernard Lewis! The senile fluffer of the Iraqi invasion! Well okay, anything he says...

 

[healthmyths]

Professor Bernard Lewis, in 2009, said on the question of Iran's nuclear weapon, "For most of the Iranian leadership MAD would work as a deterrent, but for Ahmadinejad and his group with their apocalyptic mindset, mutually assured destruction is not a deterrent, it's an inducement."

Bernard Lewis! The senile fluffer of the Iraqi invasion! Well okay, anything he says...

A little background of the "senile fluffer"... for all you FFO coprohagics.

Bernard Lewis, FBA (born 31 May 1916) is a British-American historian specializing in oriental studies. He is also known as a public intellectual and political commentator. Lewis is the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. Lewis' expertise is in the history of Islam and the interaction between Islam and the West. He is also noted in academic circles for his works on the history of the Ottoman Empire.[1]

Lewis served as a soldier in the British Army in the Royal Armoured Corps and Intelligence Corps during the Second World War before being seconded to the Foreign Office. After the war, he returned to the School of Oriental and African Studies at the University of London and was appointed to the new chair in Near and Middle Eastern History.

Lewis is a widely read expert on the Middle East and is regarded as one of the West's leading scholars of that region.[2] His advice has been frequently sought by policymakers, including the Bush administration.[3] In the Encyclopedia of Historians and Historical Writing, Martin Kramer, whose PhD thesis was directed by Lewis, considered that over a 60-year career Lewis has emerged as "the most influential postwar historian of Islam and the Middle East."[1]

Lewis is known for his views on the Armenian Genocide. He acknowledges that massacres against the Armenians occurred but does not believe it meets the definition of genocide.[4][5] He is also notable for his public debates with the late Edward Said concerning the latter's book Orientalism(1978), which criticized Lewis and other European Orientalists.
Bernard Lewis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cnm]

Yeah, the senile invasion fluffer.

 

[Moonglow]

It is labeled “separate arrangement II,” indicating there is another confidential agreement between Iran and the IAEA governing the agency’s probe of the nuclear weapons allegations.
The document suggests that instead of carrying out their own probe, IAEA staff will monitor Iranian personnel as they inspect the Parchin nuclear site.
Iran will provide agency experts with photos and videos of locations the IAEA says are linked to the alleged weapons work, “taking into account military concerns.”
That wording suggests that — beyond being barred from physically visiting the site — the agency won’t get photo or video information from areas Iran says are off-limits because they have military significance.
IAEA experts would normally take environmental samples for evidence of any weapons development work, but the agreement stipulates that Iranian technicians will do the sampling.
Secret IAEA deal inked with reported ex-head of Iran nuclear bomb effort

It just doesn't make sense the USA pushing an agreement that is "secret" between Iran and IAEA.
Why? Why more importantly is Obama pushing an agreement that frees up $150 billion that without any doubt (Obama says it will!!)

"Let’s stipulate that some of that money will flow to activities that we object to. We have no illusions about the Iranian government or the significance of the Revolutionary Guard and the Quds force,” he said, pointing out that Iran supports the terrorist group Hezbollah and other “groups that threaten our interests and interests of our allies.”

Obama Admits Iran Will Likely Use Sanctions Relief Money To Fund Military, Terrorism [VIDEO]

Truly a traitor when you really get down to the reality!
He admits freeing up the sanctioned funds that he admits will be used to KILL people possibly Americans!!!

How can a country read an agreement, it doesn't even have eyes?

 

[healthmyths]

It is labeled “separate arrangement II,” indicating there is another confidential agreement between Iran and the IAEA governing the agency’s probe of the nuclear weapons allegations.
The document suggests that instead of carrying out their own probe, IAEA staff will monitor Iranian personnel as they inspect the Parchin nuclear site.
Iran will provide agency experts with photos and videos of locations the IAEA says are linked to the alleged weapons work, “taking into account military concerns.”
That wording suggests that — beyond being barred from physically visiting the site — the agency won’t get photo or video information from areas Iran says are off-limits because they have military significance.
IAEA experts would normally take environmental samples for evidence of any weapons development work, but the agreement stipulates that Iranian technicians will do the sampling.
Secret IAEA deal inked with reported ex-head of Iran nuclear bomb effort

It just doesn't make sense the USA pushing an agreement that is "secret" between Iran and IAEA.
Why? Why more importantly is Obama pushing an agreement that frees up $150 billion that without any doubt (Obama says it will!!)

"Let’s stipulate that some of that money will flow to activities that we object to. We have no illusions about the Iranian government or the significance of the Revolutionary Guard and the Quds force,” he said, pointing out that Iran supports the terrorist group Hezbollah and other “groups that threaten our interests and interests of our allies.”

Obama Admits Iran Will Likely Use Sanctions Relief Money To Fund Military, Terrorism [VIDEO]

Truly a traitor when you really get down to the reality!
He admits freeing up the sanctioned funds that he admits will be used to KILL people possibly Americans!!!

How can a country read an agreement, it doesn't even have eyes?

????