Why Conservative Is Simply Better....

[nuhuh]

From Post 434: GDP was never brought up.

a. The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexesthe United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.

World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in"New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr

Puhleeze, the depression hit Europe after WWI, they were literally struggling for decades.

Means nothing in this context.

Once again you are without anything...including an I.Q.

But, I'll issue the challenge once again...why don't you two know-it-alls take it somewhere that you can't move the goal posts in your efforts to save your asses.

Are you nutz? Europe was in a completely different set of conditions and for a lot longer. You and PC need to stop moving goal posts and address the heart of the disagreement.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You've had the best meltdown of the day so far. I'll bet it sounds even funnier in your screeching heavily accented broken English.

PC has basically wallpapered you two with the facts and you are going to rewrite history.

Dick.

Why don't you take it over to the Bullring...where you can show us what you've got without moving the goal posts.

I'll be waiting to see that happen.

Where does she prove that FDR prolonged the Great Depression?

Prove it using this chart:

...lol, I guess we won't be getting that proof anytime soon.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Unless you are somehow going to make the assertion that GDP is the only measure of economic wholeness (which has been her claim all along) and referenced by the people she quoted out of the Roosevelt Administration.

Otherwise look at today. We've had GDP grown and all the far left has done is cry about how it all goes to the rich.

Which is it.

Do you think that the remaining rich didn't make out like bandits.

If you want to argue that, then you pricks should shut up about all the wealth concentration that is taking place now.

I said, GDP AND unemployment hit their worst levels in 1933. Do you accept that as fact?

Nobody has argued against that.

You've supplied nothing but commentary.

When you've got an argument, people might take your seriously.

You haven't made a post that contributes to the topic.

In that sense, neither have you.

Because you've wondered way off the plantation in an effort to not be "wrong". (All the while making comments about what is really your behaviour).

I've proven that both unemployment and GDP hit their worst points of the Depression in 1933, and both improved from thereon.

Go ahead and try to prove that wrong.

Why ?

You don't get to set the defintions in your arguments.

Economic expansion/contraction is the measure upon which recessions, depressions, expansions are determined?

How can you not know that?

Li

From Post 434: GDP was never brought up.

Jr

lol, why in the world would you exclude GDP from a debate about a nation's economy? lol, goddam that's funny.

Nobody said exclude, dickweed.

Your argument has pretty much exclusively centered around it.

What has YOUR argument centered around?

Why don't you tell us when the Great Depression ended in your world.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From Post 434: GDP was never brought up.

a. The League of Nations collected data from many nations throughout the 1930s on industrial production, unemployment, national debt, and taxes.
How did Roosevelt's United States compare with other countries?

In all four of these key indexesthe United States did very poorly, almost worse than any other nation in the study.

Most European nations handled the Great Depression better than the United States.

World Economic Survey: Eighth Year, 1938/1939 (Geneva: League of Nations, 1939) p.128, quoted in"New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America," by Burton W. Folsom Jr

Puhleeze, the depression hit Europe after WWI, they were literally struggling for decades.

Means nothing in this context.

Once again you are without anything...including an I.Q.

But, I'll issue the challenge once again...why don't you two know-it-alls take it somewhere that you can't move the goal posts in your efforts to save your asses.

Are you nutz? Europe was in a completely different set of conditions and for a lot longer. You and PC need to stop moving goal posts and address the heart of the disagreement.

You learn a new phrase today junior ?

 

[Cecilie1200]

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If I wanted to waste my time reading bullshit blogs, I'd go look them up. Stop cluttering the place up with your pathetic desire to believe anything on the Internet that agrees with your worldview.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Interesting, except the current Republican party is not a true Conservative party.

The current Republican party is reactionary with a Neo Conservative idea of spreading Democracy by war which isn't in sync with what Conservatism is about.

A matter of opinion.

What's sure, however, is that the current Democratic Party is the true Progressive party, and all that the modern definition entails. The masks came off when Al Gore lost the 2000 election, and the faces tattooed when Kerry matched that performance 2004.

You're wasting my time trying to change the subject to Liberalism.The Op has made the assertion that Conservatism is better for the individual and for society, the problem of course is that the Republican Party does not meet the standards of Conservatism. Do you have any idea when they will meet that standard?

Stop trying to change the subject from ideology to parties. I realize you prefer to argue against Republicans, because it allows you to indulge in the mindless name-dropper politics so beloved on the left and not actually think or reason, but the OP didn't say jack about either party that I'm aware of, so instead of dodging the question by running off to "Republicans SUCK!" how about you just address the topic, chickenshit?

 

[Cecilie1200]

You're wasting my time trying to change the subject to Liberalism.

I'm not changing any subject, but merely mirroring your expressed opinion.

The Op has made the assertion that Conservatism is better for the individual and for society, the problem of course is that the Republican Party does not meet the standards of Conservatism.

Perhaps. But it is certain that the current Democratic Party does not meet the standards of classical liberalism.

Next?

No, you're trying to change the subject and apparently have no ammo to discuss the OP.

You're not discussing the OP either.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Dipshit….you obviously don't realize that modern Conservatives in America are actual "Classical Liberals." We are the ones who support individual liberty and equality…you morons want a huge government controlling everything you do…and if you have a huge government, they will team up with big business…..moron.

If modern Conservatives are classical liberals why don't they say so? Could it be that uneducated White male "conservatives" are so caught up in pejoratively branding democrats as "liberal" that they could never conceive the concept, even when it is put before them in black and white?


You may THINK that modern Conservatives in America are Classic Liberals but I don't think you can prove that. Wishful thinking on your part doesn't cut it , bub. Actions speak louder than words...

Actually, it's because leftists have co-opted the word "liberal" and shit on it so badly that it would take years of rehabilitation to use it to mean anything desirable.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Interesting, except the current Republican party is not a true Conservative party.

The current Republican party is reactionary with a Neo Conservative idea of spreading Democracy by war which isn't in sync with what Conservatism is about.

A matter of opinion.

What's sure, however, is that the current Democratic Party is the true Progressive party, and all that the modern definition entails. The masks came off when Al Gore lost the 2000 election, and the faces tattooed when Kerry matched that performance 2004.

You're wasting my time trying to change the subject to Liberalism.The Op has made the assertion that Conservatism is better for the individual and for society, the problem of course is that the Republican Party does not meet the standards of Conservatism. Do you have any idea when they will meet that standard?

Another problem is the fact that conservatism is in no way 'better' for the individual or for society.

Actual conservatives like Goldwater and Buckley were wrong but harmless; their beliefs - simplistic, errant, and naïve - never went so far as to threaten the civil rights of Americans, or sought to increase the size and authority of government at the expense of individual liberty, as most conservatives do today.

Traditional, old guard conservatives of the past were capable of contributing something positive to society; today's conservative ideologues, such as the OP, cannot.

No, the problem is that traditional, old-guard leftists of the past were capable of acknowledging positive aspects of their opponents, rather than mindlessly hating and spewing invective. Today's leftist hacks, such as you, cannot. Thanks for the clear demonstration you always provide of just how illogical and emotion-driven the modern left has become.

 

[kaz]

we all enjoy letting someone tell us what is better,,,good thing the Founders didn't listen...

Oh, but they did. You should read their writings sometime.

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

They sure didn't set up your socialist edifice either. Neither of you pathetic parties know anything about them

 

[Moonglow]

we all enjoy letting someone tell us what is better,,,good thing the Founders didn't listen...

Oh, but they did. You should read their writings sometime.

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

They sure didn't set up your socialist edifice either. Neither of you pathetic parties know anything about them

Would be rather difficult since they were dead....They were more concerned with making the country get a start....hence slavery being kept legal...

 

[kaz]

we all enjoy letting someone tell us what is better,,,good thing the Founders didn't listen...

Oh, but they did. You should read their writings sometime.

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

They sure didn't set up your socialist edifice either. Neither of you pathetic parties know anything about them

Would be rather difficult since they were dead....They were more concerned with making the country get a start....hence slavery being kept legal...

What would be difficult since they are dead?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Interesting, except the current Republican party is not a true Conservative party.

The current Republican party is reactionary with a Neo Conservative idea of spreading Democracy by war which isn't in sync with what Conservatism is about.

A matter of opinion.

What's sure, however, is that the current Democratic Party is the true Progressive party, and all that the modern definition entails. The masks came off when Al Gore lost the 2000 election, and the faces tattooed when Kerry matched that performance 2004.

You're wasting my time trying to change the subject to Liberalism.The Op has made the assertion that Conservatism is better for the individual and for society, the problem of course is that the Republican Party does not meet the standards of Conservatism. Do you have any idea when they will meet that standard?

The nation was designed to espouse classical liberal views, based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

In reality, there are only two choices, Republican or Democrat.

Neither is perfect....but....

Which is closer to the classical liberal view?

(Re-)Introducing: The American School of Economics


When the United States became independent from Britain it also rebelled against the British System of economics, characterized by Adam Smith, in favor of the American School based on protectionism and infrastructure and prospered under this system for almost 200 years to become the wealthiest nation in the world. Unrestrained free trade resurfaced in the early 1900s culminating in the Great Depression and again in the 1970s culminating in the current Economic Meltdown.


Closely related to mercantilism, it can be seen as contrary to classical economics. It consisted of these three core policies:

1. protecting industry through selective high tariffs (especially 1861–1932) and through subsidies (especially 1932–70)
2. government investments in infrastructure creating targeted internal improvements (especially in transportation)
3. a national bank with policies that promote the growth of productive enterprises rather than speculation

It is a capitalist economic school based on the Hamiltonian economic program. The American School of capitalism was intended to allow the United States to become economically independent and nationally self-sufficient.


Frank Bourgin's 1989 study of the Constitutional Convention shows that direct government involvement in the economy was intended by the Founders.


The goal, most forcefully articulated by Hamilton, was to ensure that dearly won political independence was not lost by being economically and financially dependent on the powers and princes of Europe. The creation of a strong central government able to promote science, invention, industry and commerce, was seen as an essential means of promoting the general welfare and making the economy of the United States strong enough for them to determine their own destiny.

American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wikipedia. I weep for the dumbing-down of America whenever I see someone triumphantly claiming, "I'm right, because LOOK! Wikipedia agrees with me!"

 

[Cecilie1200]

Looks to me like conservatism is winning all over the globe.

The Soviet Union collapsed. China and India are moving away from centrally planned economies toward freer and freer market economies.

Those are huge victories for conservatism.

So when states rights in the US lost out to 'central planning' and slavery was abolished, that was a tragic defeat?

You are sick.

States rights are not lost. The 10th Amendment is not repealed.

Slavery was abolished and civil rights were enforced in spite of the Democrats, not because of them.

Without the Northern Democrats the Civil Rights bill would never have passed.

Democrats stood in the way of every civil rights bill, including every anti-lynching bill in the Senate.

Yes, those Conservative Democrats did try to block every civil right's initiative those Liberal Republicans tried to pass. How in the world did the Democrats become Liberal and the Republicans Conservative considering their respective histories? HUH?

And it's still funny.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Looks to me like conservatism is winning all over the globe.

The Soviet Union collapsed. China and India are moving away from centrally planned economies toward freer and freer market economies.

Those are huge victories for conservatism.

So when states rights in the US lost out to 'central planning' and slavery was abolished, that was a tragic defeat?

You are sick.

States rights are not lost. The 10th Amendment is not repealed.

Slavery was abolished and civil rights were enforced in spite of the Democrats, not because of them.

Without the Northern Democrats the Civil Rights bill would never have passed.

Early Communist infiltration - those who brought the civil rights movement with them - into the Democratic party began in the Northern states.

Do study history, and check your sources.

Commies? lol

Fucking stupid AND crazy right wingers who are NEVER on the correct side of history!

I assume you define "history" as "whatever bullshit I've been told by my leftist leaders this week".

 

[Moonglow]

we all enjoy letting someone tell us what is better,,,good thing the Founders didn't listen...

Oh, but they did. You should read their writings sometime.

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

Somehow, the erroneous assumption that anything leftists like from history is automatically "liberal" - and thus, associated with them - never fails to send me into gales of laughter.

I DO wish you wouldn't post it so often, though. I read this at work, and it's not good for me to sit at my desk, giggling.

I damn sure wasn't a conservative move to ...rise in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Early Communist infiltration - those who brought the civil rights movement with them - into the Democratic party began in the Northern states.

Do study history, and check your sources.

You are really serious, aren't you? You are not joking... BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The Communist Party and the Civil Rights Movement - Hankering for History

The Communist Party USA and African Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And just for fun -

The Democrat Party VS the Republican Party: Who is the True Champion of the Ending Slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, and the Black Community

Obscure sources, blogs and a lot of unfounded assertions.

So dispute them.

There re so many inconsistencies in your "sources" I'd be here all day addressing and correcting them. But here is a link to show you just how outdated and slow you are...
a lot of the mess you posted has been discussed and rendered useless many times :

Conservatives vs Liberals: Who really tried to stop Civil Rights initiatives.

Did you REALLY just reference another post on this message board as your fucking source of proof?!

What's it like being a walking advertisement for EXTREMELY late-term abortion?

 

[nuhuh]

You are really serious, aren't you? You are not joking... BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

The Communist Party and the Civil Rights Movement - Hankering for History

The Communist Party USA and African Americans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And just for fun -

The Democrat Party VS the Republican Party: Who is the True Champion of the Ending Slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, and the Black Community

Obscure sources, blogs and a lot of unfounded assertions.

So dispute them.

There re so many inconsistencies in your "sources" I'd be here all day addressing and correcting them. But here is a link to show you just how outdated and slow you are...
a lot of the mess you posted has been discussed and rendered useless many times :

Conservatives vs Liberals: Who really tried to stop Civil Rights initiatives.

Did you REALLY just reference another post on this message board as your fucking source of proof?!

What's it like being a walking advertisement for EXTREMELY late-term abortion?

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before trying to impress us with your insights. The overwhelming evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to everyone, but they will be able to see much more easily.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Which conservatives stated what you claim?

Certainly not the Founders.

You missed Mitt with his 47%? Bu$h just repeated it.

But besides that, just provide one of those conservatives "moral" truths that never change

Sure.

All men are created equal.

 

[PoliticalChic]

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409

Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Excellent.

 

[JQPublic1]

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If I wanted to waste my time reading bullshit blogs, I'd go look them up. Stop cluttering the place up with your pathetic desire to believe anything on the Internet that agrees with your worldview.

Hey, funny bunnie, did someone twist your friggin' arm and make you click on my posts?
Don't look at my narratives if you can't take the truth!