Why Did Roosevelt Extend WWII By 2 Years??

[NYcarbineer]

So why do the best historians in America continue to rate FDR so highly and have done so since the first 1948 rating? I keep asking these conservatives to get their historical data, information and files to those historians that are asked rate the presidents as soon as possible. It seems essential that the historians begin to a-line their history with some of the poster's history.

In short, it's FDR Derangement Syndrome.

 

[JoeB131]

Why Did Roosevelt Extend WWII By 2 Years??

He didn't

Germany surrendered in May of 1945. The OP's premise is that we had won the war by May of 1943.

I think to most people here the preposterousness of that premise is self-evident.

Pretty much.

What kills the ultra-patriots is that Nazi Germany was defeated by the Godless Commies they hate so much.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why Did Roosevelt Extend WWII By 2 Years??

He didn't

Germany surrendered in May of 1945. The OP's premise is that we had won the war by May of 1943.

I think to most people here the preposterousness of that premise is self-evident.

Pretty much.

What kills the ultra-patriots is that Nazi Germany was defeated by the Godless Commies they hate so much.

I invite the author of this thread to return and make her argument as to how FDR could have obtained an unconditional surrender from Germany in May of 1943.

 

[NYcarbineer]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let's begin with this question: what possible reason would the President have to allow WWII to go on an extra year or two???







What to say about Franklin Roosevelt if it can be shown that the offer was on the table....?

ONE year before Germany's actual surrender was a month BEFORE D-Day.

By all means, let's see those offers of a German surrender to the West on the table in May of 1944.

 

[Moonglow]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Hitler as we know was never going to surrender, if he did it would have been the end of his political career..We also see that even with the face of defeat staring him in the eyes he never surrendered.

 

[Bfgrn]

FDR was a black period in American history.

His economy was a failed experiment in Central planning and gave us an economy worse than the Seven Biblical Lean Years.

His War Planning was an unmitigated disaster. It was so awful that Patton called the end of WWII a huge strategic failure for the USA and Brits, leaving "2 of the 3 greatest European capitals in the hands of the decedents of Genghis Khan" Eastern Europe slaved under the yoke of Soviet Communism for generation and our Stupid American Progressives view the liberation of Eastern Europe as a failure.

FDR at the end of WWII (FDR's the big white one to the left)

 

[PoliticalChic]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Hitler as we we know was never going to surrender, if he did it would have been the end of his political career..We also see that even with the face of defeat staring him in the eyes he never surrendered.

If only you had an education.....you'd post far more insigntful posts......you know, like mine.


"Operation Valkyrie - The "July Plot" to Assassinate Hitler
(July 20, 1944)
.....Gestapo managed to arrest several Germans involved in plotting to overthrow Adolf Hitler. This included Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Klaus Bonhoeffer, Josef Mueller and Hans Dohnanyi. Others under suspicion like Wilhelm Canaris and Hans Oster were dismissed from office in January, 1944.

Hitler's death was required to free German soldiers from their oath of loyalty to him. Operation Valkyrie was meant to give the plotters control over the government so they could make peace with the Allies and end the war.

At least six attempts were aborted before....."
Operation Valkyrie - The July Plot to Assassinate Hitler Jewish Virtual Library


BTW....Canaris, head of the Abwehr, was contacting the Allies as early as 1939....Stalin refused to allow the Allies (Roosevelt) to consider contact and surrender.

True story.


BTW....did you know that library cards are free?

 

[PoliticalChic]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Post #348 is a virtual custard pie in your kisser.

 

[Moonglow]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Post #348 is a virtual custard pie in your kisser.

Deep thinker, or deep stinker?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why Did Roosevelt Extend WWII By 2 Years??

He didn't

Germany surrendered in May of 1945. The OP's premise is that we had won the war by May of 1943.

I think to most people here the preposterousness of that premise is self-evident.

Pretty much.

What kills the ultra-patriots is that Nazi Germany was defeated by the Godless Commies they hate so much.

I invite the author of this thread to return and make her argument as to how FDR could have obtained an unconditional surrender from Germany in May of 1943.

"...an unconditional surrender...."

That was Stalin's phrase, the demand he made on his vassal, Franklin Roosevelt.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Post #348 is a virtual custard pie in your kisser.

Deep thinker, or deep stinker?

Post #348 nailed you too, huh?

Consider my suggestion re: library card.
Bet some nice conservative will help you get one.

 

[Moonglow]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Hitler as we we know was never going to surrender, if he did it would have been the end of his political career..We also see that even with the face of defeat staring him in the eyes he never surrendered.

If only you had an education.....you'd post far more insigntful posts......you know, like mine.


"Operation Valkyrie - The "July Plot" to Assassinate Hitler
(July 20, 1944)
.....Gestapo managed to arrest several Germans involved in plotting to overthrow Adolf Hitler. This included Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Klaus Bonhoeffer, Josef Mueller and Hans Dohnanyi. Others under suspicion like Wilhelm Canaris and Hans Oster were dismissed from office in January, 1944.

Hitler's death was required to free German soldiers from their oath of loyalty to him. Operation Valkyrie was meant to give the plotters control over the government so they could make peace with the Allies and end the war.

At least six attempts were aborted before....."
Operation Valkyrie - The July Plot to Assassinate Hitler Jewish Virtual Library


BTW....Canaris, head of the Abwehr, was contacting the Allies as early as 1939....Stalin refused to allow the Allies (Roosevelt) to consider contact and surrender.

True story.


BTW....did you know that library cards are free?

A failed coup does not support the rationale of what Hitler never did to fit your premise.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Hitler as we we know was never going to surrender, if he did it would have been the end of his political career..We also see that even with the face of defeat staring him in the eyes he never surrendered.

If only you had an education.....you'd post far more insigntful posts......you know, like mine.


"Operation Valkyrie - The "July Plot" to Assassinate Hitler
(July 20, 1944)
.....Gestapo managed to arrest several Germans involved in plotting to overthrow Adolf Hitler. This included Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Klaus Bonhoeffer, Josef Mueller and Hans Dohnanyi. Others under suspicion like Wilhelm Canaris and Hans Oster were dismissed from office in January, 1944.

Hitler's death was required to free German soldiers from their oath of loyalty to him. Operation Valkyrie was meant to give the plotters control over the government so they could make peace with the Allies and end the war.

At least six attempts were aborted before....."
Operation Valkyrie - The July Plot to Assassinate Hitler Jewish Virtual Library


BTW....Canaris, head of the Abwehr, was contacting the Allies as early as 1939....Stalin refused to allow the Allies (Roosevelt) to consider contact and surrender.

True story.


BTW....did you know that library cards are free?

A failed coup does not support the rationale of what Hitler never did to fit your premise.

Hitler didn't order the 6th Army's surrender of Stalingrad either

 

[Moonglow]

Hitler was not into surrendering, it was a do or die situation with him....

 

[PoliticalChic]

There was no other option, but unconditional surrender...Hitler was never going to negotiate any peace treaty.
The plan used to pursue the war allowed the US as an untested military force,, to learn how to fight the modern war of combined arms and to build up armed forces which were still weak at unit level. Hitler did the same during the 1930's with the new strategy of blitzkrieg...His troops were allowed to gain experience before taking on France..and Russia.
Hindsight is 20-20 to the uninitiated...

The Germans would have surrendered to the US and Brits in a heartbeat. They knew Stalin was a fucking savage who already starved 3 million kids in the Ukraine in 1933

Really? And what evidence do you have to base this fantasy on? Show us anything whatsoever that even implies that Hitler was ready to surrender to the West in 1943. or 1944 for that matter.

Hitler as we we know was never going to surrender, if he did it would have been the end of his political career..We also see that even with the face of defeat staring him in the eyes he never surrendered.

If only you had an education.....you'd post far more insigntful posts......you know, like mine.


"Operation Valkyrie - The "July Plot" to Assassinate Hitler
(July 20, 1944)
.....Gestapo managed to arrest several Germans involved in plotting to overthrow Adolf Hitler. This included Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Klaus Bonhoeffer, Josef Mueller and Hans Dohnanyi. Others under suspicion like Wilhelm Canaris and Hans Oster were dismissed from office in January, 1944.

Hitler's death was required to free German soldiers from their oath of loyalty to him. Operation Valkyrie was meant to give the plotters control over the government so they could make peace with the Allies and end the war.

At least six attempts were aborted before....."
Operation Valkyrie - The July Plot to Assassinate Hitler Jewish Virtual Library


BTW....Canaris, head of the Abwehr, was contacting the Allies as early as 1939....Stalin refused to allow the Allies (Roosevelt) to consider contact and surrender.

True story.


BTW....did you know that library cards are free?

A failed coup does not support the rationale of what Hitler never did to fit your premise.

"....what Hitler never did..."

I know you'll forgive me if I call you a moron.....but can't you read????

It's not about Hitler's wishes....it's the fact.....fact!....that there was a robust anti-Nazi resistance that Stalin would not allow Roosevelt to consider, even though it would have meant surrender years earlier.

 

[Moonglow]

As long as Hitler was in charge there would be no surrender....Did not matter what Roosevelt did or did not do, you can't rewrite history.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As long as Hitler was in charge there would be no surrender....Did not matter what Roosevelt did or did not do, you can't rewrite history.

You never miss an opportunity to miss the point.

I'll assume you are purposely missing it because it skewers your posts.

 

[Moonglow]

No, I just don't agree with you..

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, I just don't agree with you..

1. And that, of course, makes you, a posteriori, wrong.

2. And the proof of that is that you have created a premise not in evidence....except in your erroneous posts.

The only ones who claim that surrender would have been a consideration are you and the equally incorrect battalion.

I never said such a thing.



3. My elucidation has simply been that Stalin would not allow FDR to conspire with the ant-Nazi resistance, which would have overthrown Hitler, and sued for peace.

Not Hitler.....that is your obfuscation.....but those around him who disagreed with Hitler's war.



4. Therefore, "I just don't agree with you" really means ", I just don't agree with the truth."
You should know better by now.