Why didn't we hear about the deficit during the Bush administration?

[mudwhistle]

How about the FACT that there were NEVER more "Earmarks" both in # and $s than under Bush and his REPUBLICAN controlled Congress. THAT IS A FACT!!

Wrong.

Obama signed into law over 9000 earmarks. A 7% increase.

Also...Bush never promised he would never sign any bills with Earmarks in it like Obama did.

So who broke their promise???

OVER 10,000 under Bush and his REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.

9000 in one bill.....The Stimulus bill.

 

[mudwhistle]

What Mud no response?

Sorry...got better things to do.

Already gave you a response anyway.

 

[uscitizen]

Yeah you need to work on that reading comprehension problem.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Sorry Mud your response was bullshit.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

Tomorrow is the State of the Union and Obama will be talking about the huge deficit we have. Why didn't we ever hear about it during the Bush admin when during his admin the national debt was more than doubled? The deficits were huge!

But Bush hid them. He didn't put the two wars in the budget like Obama is doing. Remember all those emergency supplementals that congress voted on every few months? 250 billion here, 500 billion there, to fund the wars. We don't have those anymore, because the wars are funded, out in the open, by the budget.

But now, we see the deficit spending that these wars are causing, and suddenly everyone's all outraged.

This money has been draining our treasury for 8 years already.

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2009

The 2009 debt number is from the Bush administration's fiscal year. When they post the 2010 numbers, that will be Obama's.

So I was just wondering why the media is so stupid? They keep talking about the huge deficit in the Obama admin. But they never mentioned the doubling of the national debt under the Bush admin. Are they really so stupid that they didn't realize all those war supplementals weren't in the budget and therefore hidden away each year?

May be you should tune into fox news.

 

[uscitizen]

Tomorrow is the State of the Union and Obama will be talking about the huge deficit we have. Why didn't we ever hear about it during the Bush admin when during his admin the national debt was more than doubled? The deficits were huge!

But Bush hid them. He didn't put the two wars in the budget like Obama is doing. Remember all those emergency supplementals that congress voted on every few months? 250 billion here, 500 billion there, to fund the wars. We don't have those anymore, because the wars are funded, out in the open, by the budget.

But now, we see the deficit spending that these wars are causing, and suddenly everyone's all outraged.

This money has been draining our treasury for 8 years already.

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2009

The 2009 debt number is from the Bush administration's fiscal year. When they post the 2010 numbers, that will be Obama's.

So I was just wondering why the media is so stupid? They keep talking about the huge deficit in the Obama admin. But they never mentioned the doubling of the national debt under the Bush admin. Are they really so stupid that they didn't realize all those war supplementals weren't in the budget and therefore hidden away each year?

May be you should tune into fox news.

Pretty funny.

 

[beowolfe]

Wrong.

Obama signed into law over 9000 earmarks. A 7% increase.

Also...Bush never promised he would never sign any bills with Earmarks in it like Obama did.

So who broke their promise???

OVER 10,000 under Bush and his REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.

9000 in one bill.....The Stimulus bill.

Not arguing with you on the number, but I wanted to ask. Do you know how the administration got the list of projects included in the stimulus bill?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

OVER 10,000 under Bush and his REPUBLICAN controlled Congress.

9000 in one bill.....The Stimulus bill.

Not arguing with you on the number, but I wanted to ask. Do you know how the administration got the list of projects included in the stimulus bill?

Uh paying off 635 Congresspeople to get it passed?

 

[Cold Fusion38]

31,709 Earmarks Later, Bush Decides Pork Is A Problem
In 2006, Congress allocated a record $71.77 billion “to 15,832 special projects, more than double the $29.11 billion spent on 4,155 pork-barrel projects in 1994.” In 2005, Congress inserted 15,877 pork projects into spending bills. In his weekend radio address, President Bush called on Congress to reform this earmarking process:

[O]ne of the best ways we can impose more discipline on federal spending is by addressing the problem of earmarks. … My administration will soon lay out a series of reforms that will help make earmarks more transparent, that will hold the members who propose earmarks more accountable, and that will help reduce the number of earmarks inserted into large spending bills.

Pork is a problem. But Bush should also address reform in his own administration. Bush’s earmarks are much tougher to find, often appearing “only in closely held supplements separate from the public budget books. … [A]s head of the executive branch, the president often doesn’t need earmarks: Once federal agencies get funding from Congress, his appointees are fairly free to steer sums to places, programs and vendors as the administration decides.” A few examples of Bush’s bacon:

– “While the Education Department’s budget would be cut, Mr. Bush propose[d] a 16% increase to $204 million for teaching sexual abstinence in high schools, a popular cause for social conservatives.”

– Rep. Anne Northup (R-KY), “a target of Democrats in this year’s midterm elections,” secured “a $3.5 million research grant for a local surgical team. The funds came not from congressional earmarks but from Pentagon accounts, according to the report.”

– Bush requested “$10 million for Preserve America grants for communities’ historic preservation efforts and $50 million for the Helping America’s Youth Initiative — also among programs championed by Mrs. Bush.”

Bush may say he’s against pork, but in his six years as President, Bush has never once vetoed any of Congress’s pork-laden spending bills.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Senate legislation

Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act of 2006
On March 29, the Senate passed the Legislative Transparency and Accountability Act of 2006 by a vote of 90-8. The bill requires that:

All Senate bills or conference reports include a list of all earmarks in the measure.
Members of Congress who propose an earmark be identified.
Earmark proposals be accompanied by an explanation of its essential government purpose.
All bills or conference reports, including the list of earmarks, be available to the Senate and to the general public on the Internet for at least 24 hours before its consideration.
Senators be given the right to try to remove earmarks from any bill that moves onto the floor. An earmark could be removed from legislation with the support of sixty senators (without striking down the entire bill). [9]
Despite these changes, many felt as though the legislation was not strong enough. Critics cited a provision in the bill which deemed that no disclosure was necessary for money to be spent by federal agencies. Some estimates say that as many as forty-percent of earmarks are delivered through this medium. [10]

Let's see that was the DEM controlled Congress RIGHT!!!???

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Controversial earmarking practices in Congress
Click on the name of the following members of the U.S. Congress to read their respective earmark controversies.

Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.)
Rep. Ken Calvert (R-Calif.)
Rep. Dennis Hastert (R-Illinois)
Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.)
Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.)
Rep. Alan Mollohan (D-W.Va.)
Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)
Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.)
Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)
Rep. Charles Taylor (R-N.C.)
Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska)




NINE REPUBLICANS


THREE DEMOCRATS

 

[Cold Fusion38]

In addition, Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) and Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) issued a joint report in 2006 supporting the continued use of earmarks. They argued that in 2005, for example, earmarks were very beneficial for Idahoans. They built a new wastewater infrastructure in Bonners Ferry, supported jobs at the Idaho National Laboratory, improved housing for families at Mountain Home Air Force Base, and expanded course offerings at Boise State University. Without earmarking, in their mind, these projects would not have been possible



One of the REDDEST STATES in the country and happens to be my home state.

 

[blu]

the gop only becomes fiscally conservative when they aren't in power.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Any time you want to explain away these FACTS Mud.

 

[blu]

Why didn't we hear about the deficit during the Bush

Which rock were you living under?

Point me in the direction of all those tea baggers who were out there screaming about the Bush deficit spending.

ron paul, peter schiff, the people who started campaign for liberty, mises.org, lewrockwell.com . the real conservatives haev been screaming about it since before bush and all throughout his 8 years. the lameduck gop hacks just went along with and now want to act fiscally responsible because they don't get to pick how the money is spent

 

[Samson]

9000 in one bill.....The Stimulus bill.

Not arguing with you on the number, but I wanted to ask. Do you know how the administration got the list of projects included in the stimulus bill?

Uh paying off 635 Congresspeople to get it passed?

You do realise that 635 Congresspeople are not all republican, right?

This is a silly thread, that has only accomplished one thing: Continuing the Great American Pastime of Bullshit Partisanism rather than reaching any solution to reducing the size of Federal Government that cannot even keep 12 million Messkins (and maybe a few Islamist Radicals?) from wandering across the border, and spends $13.4 Billion to run the Department of Treasury (2010 Budget) to feed itself.

BOTH the GOP and DNC better get their heads out of their asses....but

Why should they?

 

[Avatar4321]

You do realise that 635 Congresspeople are not all republican, right?

This is a silly thread, that has only accomplished one thing: Continuing the Great American Pastime of Bullshit Partisanism rather than reaching any solution to reducing the size of Federal Government that cannot even keep 12 million Messkins (and maybe a few Islamist Radicals?) from wandering across the border, and spends $13.4 Billion to run the Department of Treasury (2010 Budget) to feed itself.

BOTH the GOP and DNC better get their heads out of their asses....but

Why should they?

Because it smells and is very unsanitary!

 

[blu]

As I noted, the graph is from the left of center Washington Post.

The link would have provided you with another aid too...

As I asked, where's the 6 trillion dollars in that graph?

The Bush admin added 6 trillion dollars onto our national debt. Your graph does not show 6 trillion dollars. Therefore it's a false graph.

09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2009

and now your ossiah is going to double that.

deflection

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Not arguing with you on the number, but I wanted to ask. Do you know how the administration got the list of projects included in the stimulus bill?

Uh paying off 635 Congresspeople to get it passed?

You do realise that 635 Congresspeople are not all republican, right?

This is a silly thread, that has only accomplished one thing: Continuing the Great American Pastime of Bullshit Partisanism rather than reaching any solution to reducing the size of Federal Government that cannot even keep 12 million Messkins (and maybe a few Islamist Radicals?) from wandering across the border, and spends $13.4 Billion to run the Department of Treasury (2010 Budget) to feed itself.

BOTH the GOP and DNC better get their heads out of their asses....but

Why should they?

Oh yeah I meant BOTH Reps and Dems. ALL 635.

 

[blu]

Why didn't we hear about the deficit during the Bush administration?

When not waving the flag, Rush and Hannity bemoaned it quite often. Beck mocked and chided Shrub and the congress constantly. Guys like Boortz and Jason Lewis were going absolutely nuts. Then, there were the dems and their compliant media toadies, who pissed and moaned about it in conjunction with the tax cuts for those eeeeeevil "wealthy" people.

Whoever didn't hear about deficits exploding during Chimpy McShrub's eight years had to have been living on a deserted island, with Gilligan and the gang.

in one of the best documentaries i saw on the deficit cnn played almost 30 minutes of unedited ron paul speeches about it to a packaged congress. I agree with having to have been under a rock.