Why do Americans feel like taxes are somehow the government robbing them of money?

[danielpalos]

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No. I unlike you don't see cops ad evil pigs so I like them there protecting my family as well as they can . Unlike you I don't see men like my brother in law who is in our fine military as a baby killer and am proud to pay for them to protect my children from the terrorists Obama wants to fund. You see I love my country where you do not

Nobody is being "protected" when you use the government to steal what you cannot earn or provide for yourself. All you are doing is taking what you did not earn.

You are just being a simple thief. It may be legal because the government does the thievery for you but it is nothing more than despicable stealing no matter how you look at it.

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

 

[danielpalos]

To me taxation is thievery.

I don't mind being shaken down when the money is being used for necessary minimal government services like defense, courts, police etc. I don't mind pooling money to pay for roads.

What is unacceptable is to have government bureaucrats, elected by special interest groups, take the money that I earned and give it to somebody else that didn't earn it.

That is thievery any way you look at it.

Reminds me of a piece Walter E Williams wrote a couple of years ago.

He asked if he were to go into his neighbors home, take money from their dresser drawer, and then give that money to an elderly lady down the street for healthcare she didn't have the money for, would he have broken the law?

Of course I broke the law he said. I would get arrested, have to appear in court, and likely spend some time in jail even though my thoughts were of benevolence. Yet when government does the exact same thing, they are not only not held accountable, but applauded.

Providing for the general welfare is expressly declared as a general power and reason for the power to tax.

 

[danielpalos]

To many of you are young and stupid because you see America as the problem not the ignorant progressive policies. It isn't that we have fought wars or defense is funded because that is what the government is supposed to do it isn't suppose to feed the poor or house them.

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Yes, it is; it is called promoting the general welfare.

it is our wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror that are the problem.

No it isn't because now the government is going broke and making more poor so they are harming the general welfare you ignorant child

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Yes, it is our useless wars on crime, drugs, poverty, and terror that are causing us to go broke, dear.

 

[bripat9643]

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No. I unlike you don't see cops ad evil pigs so I like them there protecting my family as well as they can . Unlike you I don't see men like my brother in law who is in our fine military as a baby killer and am proud to pay for them to protect my children from the terrorists Obama wants to fund. You see I love my country where you do not

Nobody is being "protected" when you use the government to steal what you cannot earn or provide for yourself. All you are doing is taking what you did not earn.

You are just being a simple thief. It may be legal because the government does the thievery for you but it is nothing more than despicable stealing no matter how you look at it.

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

Wrong. Taxation is theft, pure and simple. There's no meaningful distinction between the two things.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because it's the government robbing me of money.

Robbery is a crime. Your comment goes beyond ignorance, it's stupid.

Yes, but not all crimes are illegal.

Holy Hot dog batman, this guy ^^^ is off his buns

Oh, he might be right. It's a crime that the oil and coal industry pollute our air, water and soil, but since they donate money to members of Congress such behavior is not illegal. I get it now.

They also supply all Americans with fuel which is the lifeblood of our economy. Or don't you use products produced by coal and oil?

 

[bripat9643]

Because it's the government robbing me of money.

Robbery is a crime. Your comment goes beyond ignorance, it's stupid.

Yes, but not all crimes are illegal.

Holy Hot dog batman, this guy ^^^ is off his buns

Oh, he might be right. It's a crime that the oil and coal industry pollute our air, water and soil, but since they donate money to members of Congress such behavior is not illegal. I get it now.

They also supply all Americans with fuel which is the lifeblood of our economy. Or don't you use products produced by coal and oil?

Since wry catcher uses gasoline and electricity, he's also a criminal according to his own criteria, wouldn't you say?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Reminds me of a piece Walter E Williams wrote a couple of years ago.

He asked if he were to go into his neighbors home, take money from their dresser drawer, and then give that money to an elderly lady down the street for healthcare she didn't have the money for, would he have broken the law?

Of course I broke the law he said. I would get arrested, have to appear in court, and likely spend some time in jail even though my thoughts were of benevolence. Yet when government does the exact same thing, they are not only not held accountable, but applauded.

Another stupid comment. I don't believe you guys are this stupid, so stop trying to prove me wrong.

What's stupid about it, because it's the truth?

If not, tell me where I went wrong. Theft is the action of taking a persons property against their will.

We live in a democratic republic, we the people elect those who pass laws. When a tax law is passed it is a legal action, not a criminal act. That's why your comment was stupid (I didn't write you are stupid, only the comment was).

The Holocaust was a legal action too.

Our founders that signed the constitutions believed in taxes...So you'd pretty much have to be a archaist to believe as you do.

Not many have a problem with taxes provided they are collected to benefit most if not all people. But Cash for Clunkers, Commie Care, government bailouts of the financial and auto industry, green energy are all vote buying which is where I draw the line. Those expenditures are not listed in the US Constitution.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To me taxation is thievery.

I don't mind being shaken down when the money is being used for necessary minimal government services like defense, courts, police etc. I don't mind pooling money to pay for roads.

What is unacceptable is to have government bureaucrats, elected by special interest groups, take the money that I earned and give it to somebody else that didn't earn it.

That is thievery any way you look at it.

Reminds me of a piece Walter E Williams wrote a couple of years ago.

He asked if he were to go into his neighbors home, take money from their dresser drawer, and then give that money to an elderly lady down the street for healthcare she didn't have the money for, would he have broken the law?

Of course I broke the law he said. I would get arrested, have to appear in court, and likely spend some time in jail even though my thoughts were of benevolence. Yet when government does the exact same thing, they are not only not held accountable, but applauded.

Another stupid comment. I don't believe you guys are this stupid, so stop trying to prove me wrong.

What's stupid about it, because it's the truth?

If not, tell me where I went wrong. Theft is the action of taking a persons property against their will.

We live in a democratic republic, we the people elect those who pass laws. When a tax law is passed it is a legal action, not a criminal act. That's why your comment was stupid (I didn't write you are stupid, only the comment was).

So because government approves of their theft means it's not criminal?

When two different entities do the exact same thing, but one is criminal and the other is not, you can't help but to question why.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Do they use our roads?
Do they use our police?
Do they enjoy the rights they have gained to work and get paid well?
Do they like eating clean food and drinking clean water?

Then no, it is not robbing anything from them as they're enjoying the benefits of paying it.

You obviously don't make enough money to realize how much the government takes from some people.

A single dollar of a person's income is taxed over and over again via income tax, social security tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, state and federally.

Then when you die they take 40% of your lifetime earnings from you.

It's bullshit.

let's abolish our drug war to lower our tax burden.

Making more junkies so they can be as stupid as you will cost us more money in the long run

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What we do now is insane, we punish users for crimes directly related to their addiction, allow a billion dollar black market to exist, and pretend "Just say NO!" is an effective tool to mitigate experimentation.

The war on drugs is a failure.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do they use our roads?
Do they use our police?
Do they enjoy the rights they have gained to work and get paid well?
Do they like eating clean food and drinking clean water?

Then no, it is not robbing anything from them as they're enjoying the benefits of paying it.

You obviously don't make enough money to realize how much the government takes from some people.

A single dollar of a person's income is taxed over and over again via income tax, social security tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, state and federally.

Then when you die they take 40% of your lifetime earnings from you.

It's bullshit.

let's abolish our drug war to lower our tax burden.

Making more junkies so they can be as stupid as you will cost us more money in the long run

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What we do now is insane, we punish users for crimes directly related to their addiction, allow a billion dollar black market to exist, and pretend "Just say NO!" is an effective tool to mitigate experimentation.

The war on drugs is a failure.

The war on all crime is a failure if you judge success by a total elimination of said crime. So do we just live in a country with no laws?

My cousin just buried her 28 year old son a little over a month ago. OD'd on heroin. In spite of the multiple times he spent in rehab and prison, he still couldn't kick the habit. You want to expand this so that more are exposed to such a fate?

 

[danielpalos]

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No. I unlike you don't see cops ad evil pigs so I like them there protecting my family as well as they can . Unlike you I don't see men like my brother in law who is in our fine military as a baby killer and am proud to pay for them to protect my children from the terrorists Obama wants to fund. You see I love my country where you do not

Nobody is being "protected" when you use the government to steal what you cannot earn or provide for yourself. All you are doing is taking what you did not earn.

You are just being a simple thief. It may be legal because the government does the thievery for you but it is nothing more than despicable stealing no matter how you look at it.

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

Wrong. Taxation is theft, pure and simple. There's no meaningful distinction between the two things.

Yes, there is; socialism requires a social contract.

 

[danielpalos]

Do they use our roads?
Do they use our police?
Do they enjoy the rights they have gained to work and get paid well?
Do they like eating clean food and drinking clean water?

Then no, it is not robbing anything from them as they're enjoying the benefits of paying it.

You obviously don't make enough money to realize how much the government takes from some people.

A single dollar of a person's income is taxed over and over again via income tax, social security tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, state and federally.

Then when you die they take 40% of your lifetime earnings from you.

It's bullshit.

let's abolish our drug war to lower our tax burden.

Making more junkies so they can be as stupid as you will cost us more money in the long run

Sent from my SM-G386T1 using Tapatalk

What we do now is insane, we punish users for crimes directly related to their addiction, allow a billion dollar black market to exist, and pretend "Just say NO!" is an effective tool to mitigate experimentation.

The war on drugs is a failure.

The war on all crime is a failure if you judge success by a total elimination of said crime. So do we just live in a country with no laws?

My cousin just buried her 28 year old son a little over a month ago. OD'd on heroin. In spite of the multiple times he spent in rehab and prison, he still couldn't kick the habit. You want to expand this so that more are exposed to such a fate?

It is about "stealing" the (other) Peoples' tax monies for that form of social spending.

 

[bripat9643]

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No. I unlike you don't see cops ad evil pigs so I like them there protecting my family as well as they can . Unlike you I don't see men like my brother in law who is in our fine military as a baby killer and am proud to pay for them to protect my children from the terrorists Obama wants to fund. You see I love my country where you do not

Nobody is being "protected" when you use the government to steal what you cannot earn or provide for yourself. All you are doing is taking what you did not earn.

You are just being a simple thief. It may be legal because the government does the thievery for you but it is nothing more than despicable stealing no matter how you look at it.

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

Wrong. Taxation is theft, pure and simple. There's no meaningful distinction between the two things.

Yes, there is; socialism requires a social contract.

The social contract is a liberal myth.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You obviously don't make enough money to realize how much the government takes from some people.

A single dollar of a person's income is taxed over and over again via income tax, social security tax, property tax, sales tax, gasoline tax, state and federally.

Then when you die they take 40% of your lifetime earnings from you.

It's bullshit.

let's abolish our drug war to lower our tax burden.

Making more junkies so they can be as stupid as you will cost us more money in the long run

Sent from my SM-G386T1 using Tapatalk

What we do now is insane, we punish users for crimes directly related to their addiction, allow a billion dollar black market to exist, and pretend "Just say NO!" is an effective tool to mitigate experimentation.

The war on drugs is a failure.

The war on all crime is a failure if you judge success by a total elimination of said crime. So do we just live in a country with no laws?

My cousin just buried her 28 year old son a little over a month ago. OD'd on heroin. In spite of the multiple times he spent in rehab and prison, he still couldn't kick the habit. You want to expand this so that more are exposed to such a fate?

It is about "stealing" the (other) Peoples' tax monies for that form of social spending.

Well, everyone can enjoy the safety net and the majority of this country supports it. How the fuck is it stealing? Programs like SSI is the furthest thing from stealing as it is like a savings account you pay into as you work.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Nobody is being "protected" when you use the government to steal what you cannot earn or provide for yourself. All you are doing is taking what you did not earn.

You are just being a simple thief. It may be legal because the government does the thievery for you but it is nothing more than despicable stealing no matter how you look at it.

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

Wrong. Taxation is theft, pure and simple. There's no meaningful distinction between the two things.

Yes, there is; socialism requires a social contract.

The social contract is a liberal myth.

One that the vast majority of this country supports! That is all that matters.

 

[bripat9643]

Taxation is nothing more than legalized theft.

No, it isn't; it is capitalism, leveraged: socialism.

Wrong. Taxation is theft, pure and simple. There's no meaningful distinction between the two things.

Yes, there is; socialism requires a social contract.

The social contract is a liberal myth.

One that the vast majority of this country supports! That is all that matters.

They support a myth. That's one reason this country is so fucked up.

 

[bripat9643]

let's abolish our drug war to lower our tax burden.

Making more junkies so they can be as stupid as you will cost us more money in the long run

Sent from my SM-G386T1 using Tapatalk

What we do now is insane, we punish users for crimes directly related to their addiction, allow a billion dollar black market to exist, and pretend "Just say NO!" is an effective tool to mitigate experimentation.

The war on drugs is a failure.

The war on all crime is a failure if you judge success by a total elimination of said crime. So do we just live in a country with no laws?

My cousin just buried her 28 year old son a little over a month ago. OD'd on heroin. In spite of the multiple times he spent in rehab and prison, he still couldn't kick the habit. You want to expand this so that more are exposed to such a fate?

It is about "stealing" the (other) Peoples' tax monies for that form of social spending.

Well, everyone can enjoy the safety net and the majority of this country supports it. How the fuck is it stealing? Programs like SSI is the furthest thing from stealing as it is like a savings account you pay into as you work.

Stealing: taking what doesn't belong to you without the permission of the owner. Examples: Taxation, armed robbery, looting.

 

[The Rabbi]

What's stupid about it, because it's the truth?

If not, tell me where I went wrong. Theft is the action of taking a persons property against their will.

We live in a democratic republic, we the people elect those who pass laws. When a tax law is passed it is a legal action, not a criminal act. That's why your comment was stupid (I didn't write you are stupid, only the comment was).

The Holocaust was a legal action too.

Our founders that signed the constitutions believed in taxes...So you'd pretty much have to be a archaist to believe as you do.

Our Founders put an income tax in the Constitution? WOw, who knew?
You are totally clueless. Give up.

One can argue that Art. I, sec. 8 clause 1 authorizes a tax on income; but the specific law allowing for an income tax is in the 16th Amendment.

So the Constitution authorized an income tax, even though it didnt, and this is why the 16th Amendment was necessary.
I know logic isnt your strong point. You proved it again.

 

[LogikAndReazon]

80% tax rates ! For the people !!!!!

 

[Oldstyle]

To me taxation is thievery.

I don't mind being shaken down when the money is being used for necessary minimal government services like defense, courts, police etc. I don't mind pooling money to pay for roads.

What is unacceptable is to have government bureaucrats, elected by special interest groups, take the money that I earned and give it to somebody else that didn't earn it.

That is thievery any way you look at it.

Reminds me of a piece Walter E Williams wrote a couple of years ago.

He asked if he were to go into his neighbors home, take money from their dresser drawer, and then give that money to an elderly lady down the street for healthcare she didn't have the money for, would he have broken the law?

Of course I broke the law he said. I would get arrested, have to appear in court, and likely spend some time in jail even though my thoughts were of benevolence. Yet when government does the exact same thing, they are not only not held accountable, but applauded.

Another stupid comment. I don't believe you guys are this stupid, so stop trying to prove me wrong.

What's stupid about it, because it's the truth?

If not, tell me where I went wrong. Theft is the action of taking a persons property against their will.

We live in a democratic republic, we the people elect those who pass laws. When a tax law is passed it is a legal action, not a criminal act. That's why your comment was stupid (I didn't write you are stupid, only the comment was).

When the democratic process is subverted...by promising people free things if they support certain politicians then the entire system collapses at some point. As far back as Benjamin Franklin this was recognized as the weak point of a republic.