Why do Catholics cross themselves

[Book of Jeremiah]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

Actually it does not. The early Christians were Jews. Not Catholics. Thanks for reading this morning. Now read up on the cult of Roman Catholicism and you'll be getting somewhere, Jillian.

Cult of Roman Catholicism
Roman Catholicism
Founder: Emperor Constantine

Overview:
The Roman Catholic church, headquartered in Rome, Italy, has its own powerful City-State, the Vatican. The Roman Catholic church unofficially came into being in 312 A.D., at the time of the so-called "miraculous conversion" to Christianity of the Roman Emperor Constantine but he still worshipped the sun god. Although Christianity was not made the official religion of the Roman Empire until the edicts of Theodosius I in 380 and 381 A.D., Constantine, from 312 A.D. until his death in 337, was engaged in the process of simultaneously building pagan temples and Christian churches, and was slowly turning over the reins of his pagan priesthood to the Bishop of Rome. However, the family of Constantine did not give up the last vestige of his priesthood until after the disintegration of the Roman Empire – that being the title the emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood – Pontifex Maximus – a title which the popes would inherit. The popes also inherited Constantine's titles as the self-appointed civil head of the church – Summus Pontifex (Vicar of Christ and Bishop of Bishops).

Prior to the time of Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted not so much for their profession of faith in Christ, but because they would not include pagan deities in their faith as well. Then, with Constantine's emphasis on making his new-found Christianity palatable to the heathen in the Empire, the "Christianization" of these pagan deities was facilitated. For example, pagan rituals and idols gradually took on Christian meanings and names and were incorporated into "Christian" worship (e.g., "saints" replaced the cult of pagan gods in both worship and as patrons of cities; mother/son statues were renamed Mary and Jesus; etc.), and pagan holidays were reclassified as Christian holy days (e.g., the Roman Lupercalia and the feast of purification of Isis became the Feast of the Nativity; the Saturnalia celebrations were replaced by Christmas celebrations; an ancient festival of the dead was replaced by All Souls Day, rededicated to Christian heroes [now Halloween]; etc.). A transition had occurred – instead of being persecuted for failure to worship pagan deities, Christians who did not agree with the particular orthodoxy backed by the Emperor were now persecuted in the name of Christ! "Christianized" Rome had become the legitimate successor of pagan Rome! This is the sad origin of the Roman Catholic Church as it compromised from the very beginning with paganism and in doing so became a cult serving the creature (Mary) more than the creator (Jesus).

​

When Rome went from being pagan to Christian under Constantine, they had to find a replacement for the great mother of paganism. It was not until the time of Constantine that anyone began to look at Mary as a goddess. Since Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ, she was the most logical person to replace the pagan mother goddess. The pagans could continue their prayers and devotion to the mother goddess, only they would call her Mary. The pagans worshipped the mother as much or more than her son and this is exactly what the Roman Catholicism does. True Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is to be worshipped – not his mother. The fact remains that Jesus never hinted at the idea of Mary worship nor did any of the apostles. Worshipping the mother goddess along with her child took place centuries before Jesus Christ was ever born in many different parts of the world. In 431 A.D. Mary worship became an official doctrine of the church in at the Council of Ephesus.

Since the formation of the Roman Empire, the Roman emperors (including Constantine) held the office of Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Priest) and were worshipped by the pagans as gods. Emperor Gratian in 376 A.D. refused the title of Pontifex Maximus, and from then on it was bestowed upon the bishop of Rome. From hereon, the bishop of Rome was to be the Supreme Priest to the pagans and the head of the Christian church; the streams of paganism and Christianity flowed together under the leadership of Pontifex Maximus, ultimately to be called the Pope. The question remains, how can a man at the same time be the Pontifex Maximus which was the head of the pagan mysteries and the head of the church? Although the Roman Catholic church claims that Peter was the first Pope, it is strange that we never read any such claim by Peter. The fact that Jesus never instituted the office of Pope in his church during his earthly ministry plainly shows that the Pope is neither Bishop of bishops nor the successor of the apostle Peter.

One issue that is very damaging to idea of a Pope is the fact that some of the popes were so depraved, even people who professed no religion at all were ashamed of them. Looking into the history of the papacy, it is easy to see that not all popes were holy men. Accusations against them included but were not limited to blasphemy, simony (the buying and selling of the papal office), perjury, murder, adultery, intercourse with virgins and nuns, incest, sodomy, bestiality, robbery, idolatry, magic, infidelity, and gross and unnatural immorality. Historians, even Roman Catholic historians will even attest to the fact there have been many sinful popes. Therefore, if popes are supposed to be the "representatives of Christ" here on earth and they are living an immoral lifestyle, should their commands still be obeyed if they are living in sin? No, it would be hypocritical for them to make rulings and decrees, and yet this is exactly what has been done by the popes. Jesus never said, "do as I say, not as I do". On the contrary, Jesus Christ led a holy life and we should follow His example. Here are a few examples:

• Pope Sergius III obtained the papal office by murder. He lived openly with a woman who bore him several illegitimate children. His reign began a period known as "the rule of the harlots".
  
  
• Pope John XII was an immoral man and whose palace was likened to a brothel. The bishop of Cremona, Luitprand said, "No honest lady dared to show herself in public, for Pope John had no respect either for single girls, married women, or widows – they were sure to be defiled by him, even on the tombs of the holy apostles, Peter and Paul."
  
  
• Pope Boniface VIII maintained his position through lavish distribution of stolen money. He was quoted saying, "to enjoy oneself and lie carnally with women or with boys is no more a sin than rubbing one's hands together."
  
  
• Pope John XXII was said to have seduced and violated three hundred nuns. He must have had a strong and insatiable libido for he kept a harem of no less than two hundred girls. He was called "the most depraved criminal who ever sat on the papal throne." A Vatican record says this about him, "His lordship, Pope John, committed perversity with the wife of his brother, incest with holy nuns, intercourse with virgins, adultery with the married, and all sorts of sex crimes... wholly given to sleep and other carnal desires, totally adverse to the life and teaching of Christ... he was publicly called the Devil incarnate."
  
  
• Pope Pius II was said to have been the father of many illegitimate children. He spoke openly of the methods he used to seduce women and he encouraged young men to also seduce women and even offered to instruct them in methods of self-indulgence.
  
  
• Pope Sixtus IV financed his wars by selling church offices to the highest bidders. He used the papacy to enrich himself and his family, for no less than eight cardinals were his nephews, some being given the position of cardinal even as a boy.
  
  
• Pope Alexander VI won the election of the papacy by bribery. He lived with a woman with whom he had a daughter; whom afterward he committed incest with and produced five children. He also lived in public incest with his two sisters. He conducted a sex orgy in the Vatican in which he had a banquet featuring fifty nude girls who danced and serviced the guests – and even offered prizes to the man who could engage in sexual intercourse the most times.
  

Martin Luther himself also witnessed that Rome with its popes was anything but a holy city. He was quoted as saying, "No one can imagine what sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome, they must be seen and heard to be believed." It has been said, "If there be a hell, Rome is built over it." Having shown just a few examples of the corruption and wickedness that has existed in the lives of the popes; this evidence seriously undermines the belief of "apostolic succession," the claim that the Roman Catholic church is the one "true" church supposedly claiming to trace a line of pope back to Peter, since Peter himself stressed the importance of holiness. It is important to note that pagan popes can be traced back to Babylon but no Christian popes existed until Constantine in 312 A.D. declared himself to be Pope.

The popes were not the only ones that struggled with sexual misconduct; the clergy were just as guilty. When the doctrine of celibacy began to be taught, many clergy were married men. An edict was established in 315 A.D. that forbade a priest to remarry if his wife were to die. In 386 A.D. another edict came into being, allowing priests to be married but forbidding them to have sexual intercourse with their wives. Although this edict was in effect, a large number of clergy openly took wives and fathered children. Some monasteries and nunneries were known in history to be so bad that they actually had a worse reputation than the brothels. The violations by priests were so bad at one point that even female animals were not allowed on monastery property! Priests were urged to be chaste, and if they failed, at least be careful. With this man-made tradition imposed upon them, it made an already difficult job of the confessional even more difficult. The confessional was where sins had to be confessed specifically and in detail so that the priest could render judgment and offer forgiveness of sins. It is not hard to see that the outcome of girls and women and even boys confessing their moral weaknesses and desires to unmarried priests could readily result in widespread abuse. The Roman Catholic church has been lately rocked by one scandal after another of sexual abuse by priests.
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It is the most depraved cult on the face of the earth!

 

[jillian]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

Actually it does not. The early Christians were Jews. Not Catholics. Thanks for reading this morning. Now read up on the cult of Roman Catholicism and you'll be getting somewhere, Jillian.

Cult of Roman Catholicism
Roman Catholicism
Founder: Emperor Constantine

Overview:
The Roman Catholic church, headquartered in Rome, Italy, has its own powerful City-State, the Vatican. The Roman Catholic church unofficially came into being in 312 A.D., at the time of the so-called "miraculous conversion" to Christianity of the Roman Emperor Constantine but he still worshipped the sun god. Although Christianity was not made the official religion of the Roman Empire until the edicts of Theodosius I in 380 and 381 A.D., Constantine, from 312 A.D. until his death in 337, was engaged in the process of simultaneously building pagan temples and Christian churches, and was slowly turning over the reins of his pagan priesthood to the Bishop of Rome. However, the family of Constantine did not give up the last vestige of his priesthood until after the disintegration of the Roman Empire – that being the title the emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood – Pontifex Maximus – a title which the popes would inherit. The popes also inherited Constantine's titles as the self-appointed civil head of the church – Summus Pontifex (Vicar of Christ and Bishop of Bishops).

Prior to the time of Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted not so much for their profession of faith in Christ, but because they would not include pagan deities in their faith as well. Then, with Constantine's emphasis on making his new-found Christianity palatable to the heathen in the Empire, the "Christianization" of these pagan deities was facilitated. For example, pagan rituals and idols gradually took on Christian meanings and names and were incorporated into "Christian" worship (e.g., "saints" replaced the cult of pagan gods in both worship and as patrons of cities; mother/son statues were renamed Mary and Jesus; etc.), and pagan holidays were reclassified as Christian holy days (e.g., the Roman Lupercalia and the feast of purification of Isis became the Feast of the Nativity; the Saturnalia celebrations were replaced by Christmas celebrations; an ancient festival of the dead was replaced by All Souls Day, rededicated to Christian heroes [now Halloween]; etc.). A transition had occurred – instead of being persecuted for failure to worship pagan deities, Christians who did not agree with the particular orthodoxy backed by the Emperor were now persecuted in the name of Christ! "Christianized" Rome had become the legitimate successor of pagan Rome! This is the sad origin of the Roman Catholic Church as it compromised from the very beginning with paganism and in doing so became a cult serving the creature (Mary) more than the creator (Jesus).

​

When Rome went from being pagan to Christian under Constantine, they had to find a replacement for the great mother of paganism. It was not until the time of Constantine that anyone began to look at Mary as a goddess. Since Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ, she was the most logical person to replace the pagan mother goddess. The pagans could continue their prayers and devotion to the mother goddess, only they would call her Mary. The pagans worshipped the mother as much or more than her son and this is exactly what the Roman Catholicism does. True Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is to be worshipped – not his mother. The fact remains that Jesus never hinted at the idea of Mary worship nor did any of the apostles. Worshipping the mother goddess along with her child took place centuries before Jesus Christ was ever born in many different parts of the world. In 431 A.D. Mary worship became an official doctrine of the church in at the Council of Ephesus.

Since the formation of the Roman Empire, the Roman emperors (including Constantine) held the office of Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Priest) and were worshipped by the pagans as gods. Emperor Gratian in 376 A.D. refused the title of Pontifex Maximus, and from then on it was bestowed upon the bishop of Rome. From hereon, the bishop of Rome was to be the Supreme Priest to the pagans and the head of the Christian church; the streams of paganism and Christianity flowed together under the leadership of Pontifex Maximus, ultimately to be called the Pope. The question remains, how can a man at the same time be the Pontifex Maximus which was the head of the pagan mysteries and the head of the church? Although the Roman Catholic church claims that Peter was the first Pope, it is strange that we never read any such claim by Peter. The fact that Jesus never instituted the office of Pope in his church during his earthly ministry plainly shows that the Pope is neither Bishop of bishops nor the successor of the apostle Peter.

One issue that is very damaging to idea of a Pope is the fact that some of the popes were so depraved, even people who professed no religion at all were ashamed of them. Looking into the history of the papacy, it is easy to see that not all popes were holy men. Accusations against them included but were not limited to blasphemy, simony (the buying and selling of the papal office), perjury, murder, adultery, intercourse with virgins and nuns, incest, sodomy, bestiality, robbery, idolatry, magic, infidelity, and gross and unnatural immorality. Historians, even Roman Catholic historians will even attest to the fact there have been many sinful popes. Therefore, if popes are supposed to be the "representatives of Christ" here on earth and they are living an immoral lifestyle, should their commands still be obeyed if they are living in sin? No, it would be hypocritical for them to make rulings and decrees, and yet this is exactly what has been done by the popes. Jesus never said, "do as I say, not as I do". On the contrary, Jesus Christ led a holy life and we should follow His example. Here are a few examples:

• Pope Sergius III obtained the papal office by murder. He lived openly with a woman who bore him several illegitimate children. His reign began a period known as "the rule of the harlots".
  
  
• Pope John XII was an immoral man and whose palace was likened to a brothel. The bishop of Cremona, Luitprand said, "No honest lady dared to show herself in public, for Pope John had no respect either for single girls, married women, or widows – they were sure to be defiled by him, even on the tombs of the holy apostles, Peter and Paul."
  
  
• Pope Boniface VIII maintained his position through lavish distribution of stolen money. He was quoted saying, "to enjoy oneself and lie carnally with women or with boys is no more a sin than rubbing one's hands together."
  
  
• Pope John XXII was said to have seduced and violated three hundred nuns. He must have had a strong and insatiable libido for he kept a harem of no less than two hundred girls. He was called "the most depraved criminal who ever sat on the papal throne." A Vatican record says this about him, "His lordship, Pope John, committed perversity with the wife of his brother, incest with holy nuns, intercourse with virgins, adultery with the married, and all sorts of sex crimes... wholly given to sleep and other carnal desires, totally adverse to the life and teaching of Christ... he was publicly called the Devil incarnate."
  
  
• Pope Pius II was said to have been the father of many illegitimate children. He spoke openly of the methods he used to seduce women and he encouraged young men to also seduce women and even offered to instruct them in methods of self-indulgence.
  
  
• Pope Sixtus IV financed his wars by selling church offices to the highest bidders. He used the papacy to enrich himself and his family, for no less than eight cardinals were his nephews, some being given the position of cardinal even as a boy.
  
  
• Pope Alexander VI won the election of the papacy by bribery. He lived with a woman with whom he had a daughter; whom afterward he committed incest with and produced five children. He also lived in public incest with his two sisters. He conducted a sex orgy in the Vatican in which he had a banquet featuring fifty nude girls who danced and serviced the guests – and even offered prizes to the man who could engage in sexual intercourse the most times.

Martin Luther himself also witnessed that Rome with its popes was anything but a holy city. He was quoted as saying, "No one can imagine what sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome, they must be seen and heard to be believed." It has been said, "If there be a hell, Rome is built over it." Having shown just a few examples of the corruption and wickedness that has existed in the lives of the popes; this evidence seriously undermines the belief of "apostolic succession," the claim that the Roman Catholic church is the one "true" church supposedly claiming to trace a line of pope back to Peter, since Peter himself stressed the importance of holiness. It is important to note that pagan popes can be traced back to Babylon but no Christian popes existed until Constantine in 312 A.D. declared himself to be Pope.

The popes were not the only ones that struggled with sexual misconduct; the clergy were just as guilty. When the doctrine of celibacy began to be taught, many clergy were married men. An edict was established in 315 A.D. that forbade a priest to remarry if his wife were to die. In 386 A.D. another edict came into being, allowing priests to be married but forbidding them to have sexual intercourse with their wives. Although this edict was in effect, a large number of clergy openly took wives and fathered children. Some monasteries and nunneries were known in history to be so bad that they actually had a worse reputation than the brothels. The violations by priests were so bad at one point that even female animals were not allowed on monastery property! Priests were urged to be chaste, and if they failed, at least be careful. With this man-made tradition imposed upon them, it made an already difficult job of the confessional even more difficult. The confessional was where sins had to be confessed specifically and in detail so that the priest could render judgment and offer forgiveness of sins. It is not hard to see that the outcome of girls and women and even boys confessing their moral weaknesses and desires to unmarried priests could readily result in widespread abuse. The Roman Catholic church has been lately rocked by one scandal after another of sexual abuse by priests.
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It is the most depraved cult on the face of the earth!

like i said..... that's an awful lot of words for me to have to reiterate the fact that 1) i think your religion is made up. nothing personal, i don't care what you believe. it's just a different kind of made up than catholicism.

and catholics think you're full of it because they believe what they believe.

that's fine to normal people. go enjoy what you believe. find peace in it.

leave the rest of us alone.

 

[guno]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

so bi cat fish you believe everything you find on the internet? I ask because I want to know from Catholics themselves

I'm no longer a Catholic, but I was raised in the tradition. It's interesting that you are sooo interested in Catholics? Did you marry a former Catholic? I don't understand why they so fascinate you

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

 

[Penelope]

Growing up in NYC I took a public bus to high school which was 4 miles from where I lived, we passed two catholic churches and when we passed the churches, more then half the people on the bus would cross themselves. whats up with that?

I have read the Christian bible and can find nothing on doing that.

It is a dangerous ritual. No Christian should ever do such a thing. It's strictly a Catholic occult ritual. Don't ever do it.

Coming from a JW that's precious. Its a blessing . Nothing at all wrong with it. The reason you have Protestants is because King Henry wanted to get divorces, and then the Church of England was too harsh, so the Puritans came here and believed in witches. Are you aware your God, Jesus is really a Caesar, and that is who your worshipping as God. The winners write history remember.

 

[Penelope]

One of Titus second in command was said to be from a jewish family , but he didn't practice Judaism.

Tiberius Julius Alexander.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

Actually it does not. The early Christians were Jews. Not Catholics. Thanks for reading this morning. Now read up on the cult of Roman Catholicism and you'll be getting somewhere, Jillian.

Cult of Roman Catholicism
Roman Catholicism
Founder: Emperor Constantine

Overview:
The Roman Catholic church, headquartered in Rome, Italy, has its own powerful City-State, the Vatican. The Roman Catholic church unofficially came into being in 312 A.D., at the time of the so-called "miraculous conversion" to Christianity of the Roman Emperor Constantine but he still worshipped the sun god. Although Christianity was not made the official religion of the Roman Empire until the edicts of Theodosius I in 380 and 381 A.D., Constantine, from 312 A.D. until his death in 337, was engaged in the process of simultaneously building pagan temples and Christian churches, and was slowly turning over the reins of his pagan priesthood to the Bishop of Rome. However, the family of Constantine did not give up the last vestige of his priesthood until after the disintegration of the Roman Empire – that being the title the emperors bore as heads of the pagan priesthood – Pontifex Maximus – a title which the popes would inherit. The popes also inherited Constantine's titles as the self-appointed civil head of the church – Summus Pontifex (Vicar of Christ and Bishop of Bishops).

Prior to the time of Constantine's "conversion," Christians were persecuted not so much for their profession of faith in Christ, but because they would not include pagan deities in their faith as well. Then, with Constantine's emphasis on making his new-found Christianity palatable to the heathen in the Empire, the "Christianization" of these pagan deities was facilitated. For example, pagan rituals and idols gradually took on Christian meanings and names and were incorporated into "Christian" worship (e.g., "saints" replaced the cult of pagan gods in both worship and as patrons of cities; mother/son statues were renamed Mary and Jesus; etc.), and pagan holidays were reclassified as Christian holy days (e.g., the Roman Lupercalia and the feast of purification of Isis became the Feast of the Nativity; the Saturnalia celebrations were replaced by Christmas celebrations; an ancient festival of the dead was replaced by All Souls Day, rededicated to Christian heroes [now Halloween]; etc.). A transition had occurred – instead of being persecuted for failure to worship pagan deities, Christians who did not agree with the particular orthodoxy backed by the Emperor were now persecuted in the name of Christ! "Christianized" Rome had become the legitimate successor of pagan Rome! This is the sad origin of the Roman Catholic Church as it compromised from the very beginning with paganism and in doing so became a cult serving the creature (Mary) more than the creator (Jesus).

​

When Rome went from being pagan to Christian under Constantine, they had to find a replacement for the great mother of paganism. It was not until the time of Constantine that anyone began to look at Mary as a goddess. Since Mary was the mother of Jesus Christ, she was the most logical person to replace the pagan mother goddess. The pagans could continue their prayers and devotion to the mother goddess, only they would call her Mary. The pagans worshipped the mother as much or more than her son and this is exactly what the Roman Catholicism does. True Christianity teaches that Jesus Christ is to be worshipped – not his mother. The fact remains that Jesus never hinted at the idea of Mary worship nor did any of the apostles. Worshipping the mother goddess along with her child took place centuries before Jesus Christ was ever born in many different parts of the world. In 431 A.D. Mary worship became an official doctrine of the church in at the Council of Ephesus.

Since the formation of the Roman Empire, the Roman emperors (including Constantine) held the office of Pontifex Maximus (Supreme Priest) and were worshipped by the pagans as gods. Emperor Gratian in 376 A.D. refused the title of Pontifex Maximus, and from then on it was bestowed upon the bishop of Rome. From hereon, the bishop of Rome was to be the Supreme Priest to the pagans and the head of the Christian church; the streams of paganism and Christianity flowed together under the leadership of Pontifex Maximus, ultimately to be called the Pope. The question remains, how can a man at the same time be the Pontifex Maximus which was the head of the pagan mysteries and the head of the church? Although the Roman Catholic church claims that Peter was the first Pope, it is strange that we never read any such claim by Peter. The fact that Jesus never instituted the office of Pope in his church during his earthly ministry plainly shows that the Pope is neither Bishop of bishops nor the successor of the apostle Peter.

One issue that is very damaging to idea of a Pope is the fact that some of the popes were so depraved, even people who professed no religion at all were ashamed of them. Looking into the history of the papacy, it is easy to see that not all popes were holy men. Accusations against them included but were not limited to blasphemy, simony (the buying and selling of the papal office), perjury, murder, adultery, intercourse with virgins and nuns, incest, sodomy, bestiality, robbery, idolatry, magic, infidelity, and gross and unnatural immorality. Historians, even Roman Catholic historians will even attest to the fact there have been many sinful popes. Therefore, if popes are supposed to be the "representatives of Christ" here on earth and they are living an immoral lifestyle, should their commands still be obeyed if they are living in sin? No, it would be hypocritical for them to make rulings and decrees, and yet this is exactly what has been done by the popes. Jesus never said, "do as I say, not as I do". On the contrary, Jesus Christ led a holy life and we should follow His example. Here are a few examples:

• Pope Sergius III obtained the papal office by murder. He lived openly with a woman who bore him several illegitimate children. His reign began a period known as "the rule of the harlots".
  
  
• Pope John XII was an immoral man and whose palace was likened to a brothel. The bishop of Cremona, Luitprand said, "No honest lady dared to show herself in public, for Pope John had no respect either for single girls, married women, or widows – they were sure to be defiled by him, even on the tombs of the holy apostles, Peter and Paul."
  
  
• Pope Boniface VIII maintained his position through lavish distribution of stolen money. He was quoted saying, "to enjoy oneself and lie carnally with women or with boys is no more a sin than rubbing one's hands together."
  
  
• Pope John XXII was said to have seduced and violated three hundred nuns. He must have had a strong and insatiable libido for he kept a harem of no less than two hundred girls. He was called "the most depraved criminal who ever sat on the papal throne." A Vatican record says this about him, "His lordship, Pope John, committed perversity with the wife of his brother, incest with holy nuns, intercourse with virgins, adultery with the married, and all sorts of sex crimes... wholly given to sleep and other carnal desires, totally adverse to the life and teaching of Christ... he was publicly called the Devil incarnate."
  
  
• Pope Pius II was said to have been the father of many illegitimate children. He spoke openly of the methods he used to seduce women and he encouraged young men to also seduce women and even offered to instruct them in methods of self-indulgence.
  
  
• Pope Sixtus IV financed his wars by selling church offices to the highest bidders. He used the papacy to enrich himself and his family, for no less than eight cardinals were his nephews, some being given the position of cardinal even as a boy.
  
  
• Pope Alexander VI won the election of the papacy by bribery. He lived with a woman with whom he had a daughter; whom afterward he committed incest with and produced five children. He also lived in public incest with his two sisters. He conducted a sex orgy in the Vatican in which he had a banquet featuring fifty nude girls who danced and serviced the guests – and even offered prizes to the man who could engage in sexual intercourse the most times.

Martin Luther himself also witnessed that Rome with its popes was anything but a holy city. He was quoted as saying, "No one can imagine what sins and infamous actions are committed in Rome, they must be seen and heard to be believed." It has been said, "If there be a hell, Rome is built over it." Having shown just a few examples of the corruption and wickedness that has existed in the lives of the popes; this evidence seriously undermines the belief of "apostolic succession," the claim that the Roman Catholic church is the one "true" church supposedly claiming to trace a line of pope back to Peter, since Peter himself stressed the importance of holiness. It is important to note that pagan popes can be traced back to Babylon but no Christian popes existed until Constantine in 312 A.D. declared himself to be Pope.

The popes were not the only ones that struggled with sexual misconduct; the clergy were just as guilty. When the doctrine of celibacy began to be taught, many clergy were married men. An edict was established in 315 A.D. that forbade a priest to remarry if his wife were to die. In 386 A.D. another edict came into being, allowing priests to be married but forbidding them to have sexual intercourse with their wives. Although this edict was in effect, a large number of clergy openly took wives and fathered children. Some monasteries and nunneries were known in history to be so bad that they actually had a worse reputation than the brothels. The violations by priests were so bad at one point that even female animals were not allowed on monastery property! Priests were urged to be chaste, and if they failed, at least be careful. With this man-made tradition imposed upon them, it made an already difficult job of the confessional even more difficult. The confessional was where sins had to be confessed specifically and in detail so that the priest could render judgment and offer forgiveness of sins. It is not hard to see that the outcome of girls and women and even boys confessing their moral weaknesses and desires to unmarried priests could readily result in widespread abuse. The Roman Catholic church has been lately rocked by one scandal after another of sexual abuse by priests.
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It is the most depraved cult on the face of the earth!

Run along Johnny Come Lately Fake Christian, I'm an original...you're simply a want to be

 

[hobelim]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

Good grief...you loons are getting annoying. If you don't like religion or Catholics simply ignore it and them. Pretty damn simple, no? But instead you have to whine and bellyache

 

[hobelim]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

Good grief...you loons are getting annoying. If you don't like religion or Catholics simply ignore it and them. Pretty damn simple, no? But instead you have to whine and bellyache

If you don't want your beliefs to be questioned or scrutinized don't try to pass them off as the truth around rational people.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

so bi cat fish you believe everything you find on the internet? I ask because I want to know from Catholics themselves

I'm no longer a Catholic, but I was raised in the tradition. It's interesting that you are sooo interested in Catholics? Did you marry a former Catholic? I don't understand why they so fascinate you

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

Must be some truth to that Jewish fairy tale about Adam and Eve and the dangers and lifelong consequences to being gullible.

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

Good grief...you loons are getting annoying. If you don't like religion or Catholics simply ignore it and them. Pretty damn simple, no? But instead you have to whine and bellyache

If you don't want your beliefs to be questioned or scrutinized don't try to pass them off as the truth around rational people.

GFY retard....how's that?

 

[hobelim]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

so bi cat fish you believe everything you find on the internet? I ask because I want to know from Catholics themselves

I'm no longer a Catholic, but I was raised in the tradition. It's interesting that you are sooo interested in Catholics? Did you marry a former Catholic? I don't understand why they so fascinate you

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

Must be some truth to that Jewish fairy tale about Adam and Eve and the dangers and lifelong consequences to being gullible.

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

Good grief...you loons are getting annoying. If you don't like religion or Catholics simply ignore it and them. Pretty damn simple, no? But instead you have to whine and bellyache

If you don't want your beliefs to be questioned or scrutinized don't try to pass them off as the truth around rational people.

GFY retard....how's that?

Psst! This a public message board where religion and ethics are discussed and debated.

 

[Moonglow]

Why doesn't Guano simply use Google and cease making annoying Catholic hate threads. It's past old, ya old commie

Catholic Digest | The Magazine for Catholic Living | Making the Sign of the Cross

so bi cat fish you believe everything you find on the internet? I ask because I want to know from Catholics themselves

I'm no longer a Catholic, but I was raised in the tradition. It's interesting that you are sooo interested in Catholics? Did you marry a former Catholic? I don't understand why they so fascinate you

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

Must be some truth to that Jewish fairy tale about Adam and Eve and the dangers and lifelong consequences to being gullible.

You people are seriously brainwashed by this cult. You need to start reading the King James Holy Bible and stop reading this Catholic Digest nonsense.

i prefer the original and not the roman re-write.

thanks.

you are aware, though, that the catholic church pre-dates yours, right? so you think suddenly some guy "discovered" your religion and theirs is suddenly illegitimate?

hint: everyone who doesn't believe what you believe, thinks you're wrong. if they didn't, they would believe what you do.

my advice: leave everyone else alone. people should be able to believe or not believe what they want as long as they're not hurting anyone else.

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

Good grief...you loons are getting annoying. If you don't like religion or Catholics simply ignore it and them. Pretty damn simple, no? But instead you have to whine and bellyache

If you don't want your beliefs to be questioned or scrutinized don't try to pass them off as the truth around rational people.

GFY retard....how's that?

Ah yes, another sin to atone for..

 

[there4eyeM]

Growing up in NYC I took a public bus to high school which was 4 miles from where I lived, we passed two catholic churches and when we passed the churches, more then half the people on the bus would cross themselves. whats up with that?

I have read the Christian bible and can find nothing on doing that.

It is a dangerous ritual. No Christian should ever do such a thing. It's strictly a Catholic occult ritual. Don't ever do it.

Coming from a JW that's precious. Its a blessing . Nothing at all wrong with it. The reason you have Protestants is because King Henry wanted to get divorces, and then the Church of England was too harsh, so the Puritans came here and believed in witches. Are you aware your God, Jesus is really a Caesar, and that is who your worshipping as God. The winners write history remember.

Reforms to Christianity were made necessary by the excesses of a small group of authoritarians. For propaganda purposes, they had taken the Latin term for universal as part of the title for their denomination. Loosely based upon selected parts of questionable documents, this organization imposed itself for centuries until reading became more democratized and texts could be generally dissimulated. This led to protests against the status quo. Eventually, even monarchs, who until then had relied upon this established clergy, found it to their advantage to change orientation.
The horrible struggles that resulted are often referred to in the most ironically oxymoronic fashion, even to the point of saying Christians fought Christians. Of course, by definition such a thing cannot be. One or both sides would not be 'Christian'.
When it comes to 'God', one can only believe what one is convinced of. When it comes to expecting others to believe the same, one can only be labeled 'crazy'.

 

[Moonglow]

Read a Bible with a ghey guys name on it, I hardly think so...

 

[Meriweather]

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

Medieval? Catholic practices began centuries before medieval times. They are better described as timeless as they have passed through many ages.

 

[hobelim]

Nope , didn't marry a former catholic, just fascinated by their medieval rituals and why in 2016 CE they are still following it

Medieval? Catholic practices began centuries before medieval times. They are better described as timeless as they have passed through many ages.

Yes, you are right. They even predate Christianity.

People were partaking in the divine nature of Mithra under the appearance of bread and wine centuries before Jesus was born.

However, the time when people could get others to swallow such superstitious nonsense is rapidly coming to an end.

 

[Meriweather]

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

There is no need to twist Trinity into something it is not. One God who is greater than any other being. One comparison is that of water. Water is an element that can exist in three forms: solid (ice), liquid, and steam. Whichever form it takes, it is still water.

Another way of understanding: When we cannot speak face to face, we write. These type-written words are not alive, yet God's words are. We also say, "We will be with you in spirit." When God says that, His spirit is actually there. Trinity simply describes a single being that has power and attributes beyond any other being. Humans have one aspect of being; God has three aspects of being.

We can't accept your way of describing God, because that would require only seeing a fraction of what God is, instead of perceiving the greater vision. Trinity: Not three, but One in its entirety.

 

[Meriweather]

People were partaking in the divine nature of Mithra under the appearance of bread and wine centuries before Jesus was born.

This claim has been debunked by scholars.

 

[hobelim]

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

There is no need to twist Trinity into something it is not. One God who is greater than any other being. One comparison is that of water. Water is an element that can exist in three forms: solid (ice), liquid, and steam. Whichever form it takes, it is still water.

Another way of understanding: When we cannot speak face to face, we write. These type-written words are not alive, yet God's words are. We also say, "We will be with you in spirit." When God says that, His spirit is actually there. Trinity simply describes a single being that has power and attributes beyond any other being. Humans have one aspect of being; God has three aspects of being.

We can't accept your way of describing God, because that would require only seeing a fraction of what God is, instead of perceiving the greater vision. Trinity: Not three, but One in its entirety.

When a person attempts to make a statue of God it always results in a false image. Thats why its forbidden.

In the same way when a person attempts to divide God into any number of attributes the resulting image will always be false, as false as your comparisons of material elements to a God who is spirit, not a solid, liquid or a gas.

 

[guno]

When a person believes in a three in one god that became a man it hurts them and everyone else around them including their family, friends, neighbors, coworkers, strangers, their community, their country, the entire world, and and especially their own children.

There is no need to twist Trinity into something it is not. One God who is greater than any other being. One comparison is that of water. Water is an element that can exist in three forms: solid (ice), liquid, and steam. Whichever form it takes, it is still water.

Another way of understanding: When we cannot speak face to face, we write. These type-written words are not alive, yet God's words are. We also say, "We will be with you in spirit." When God says that, His spirit is actually there. Trinity simply describes a single being that has power and attributes beyond any other being. Humans have one aspect of being; God has three aspects of being.

We can't accept your way of describing God, because that would require only seeing a fraction of what God is, instead of perceiving the greater vision. Trinity: Not three, but One in its entirety.

If God is one and all, it cannot be triune