Why do Democrats Trivialize The Threat From Radical Islam

[bodecea]

Well, what you answer on a message board means nothing. Thats not my point.


My point is that when faced with that decision, EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN LEFT WINGER ON HERE would silently get in the Christian plane rather than the Muslim plane. Deny that as much as anyone wants. Call me a bigot. Call me a hater. Call me whatever.

But every damn person here would avoid the all-Muslim flights.

You are welcome to speak for yourself and your own fears, but don't presume that we are all shivering in fear from Muslims per se.

No your licking the balls of the islamic pigs!Goto your nearest mosque and smell thier asses muz lover!

You come up with the most interesting visuals. Are you speaking from experience?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not that you'll actually read it, but this compares The Bible's Ten Commandments to similar verses in the Quran.

And she goes for the red herring.. Of all the logical fallacies she could choose, this is the most pathetic, so it was nearly preordained as her choice...

Look, you're a leftist: a mindless drone spewing the bullshit that the hive instructs you to spew. You have neither the capacity nor the desire to formulate a thought. I get it, I really do.

Still, in the few, short sentences that you regurgitated, you revealed a depth of ignorance which is stunning.

One sect, huh?

ROFL - how fucking stupid are you? (Or rather, your handlers?)

There has been a sectarian war raging for 1500 years in Islam. When Muslims aren't busy killing infidels, they busy themselves with killing each other. Dozens of times more Muslims have died from violence between Shiite and Sunni than from conflicts with Christians and Hindus.

You don't know this and you don't care, the hive didn't program you to consider reality - only to spew the party line.

 

[Dr.Drock]

let's say I pick the Christians, what conclusion are we to draw from this? What is this supposed to ultimately prove?

Well, what you answer on a message board means nothing. Thats not my point.


My point is that when faced with that decision, EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN LEFT WINGER ON HERE would silently get in the Christian plane rather than the Muslim plane. Deny that as much as anyone wants. Call me a bigot. Call me a hater. Call me whatever.

But every damn person here would avoid the all-Muslim flights.

You are welcome to speak for yourself and your own fears, but don't presume that we are all shivering in fear from Muslims per se.

Keep in mind these are the same people who are afraid of teachers. Those horrifying groups of teachers hellbent on violence and terror.

I remember not that long ago republicans used to talk themselves up as the tough americans, now their main agenda is tell everyone how scared they are of everything. This thread is a perfect example, "that man has a beard and clothes wrapped around his head, AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[Uncensored2008]

The better comparison is to compare biblical texts with texts from the Q'uran.

So behavior is irrelevant? The danger posed by the religious creeds means nothing, we should only concentrate on ancients texts, not on how they are applied in the present?

Are you SURE you've thought this through?

 

[MaggieMae]

And what action is warranted by this?

Well, for one the left wingers should stop preaching about being equally tolerant of all religions, and that all religions are equal, and that radical Islam is not a threat to common Americans. No left winger can say the above when I know damn well there isn't one libtard here that would pick the 200 flights with 100 random Muslims over 100 random Christians if made to choose.

All religions have their nuts, that disclaimer has been repeated a million times. But radical Islam has incredible evil brewing in that religion. Denying it is deadly to everyone.

Is all Islam radical Islam?

NO!!!

Revisiting Islam vs Islamism

Forget the `Clash of Civilizations' thesis; the battle lines within Islam have been drawn. Two years ago I published a paper entitled "Between Tolerance and Totalitarianism, Between Islam and Islamism"* The basic thrust of my argument then was that Islamic principles of tolerance and compassion are increasingly being displaced by Islamism. Islamism is a twentieth century totalitarian ideology that seeks to mould Islamic religious tradition to serve narrow political ends of domination. Not only is Islamism totalitarian in character, it is also violent in its methods and, in the process, betrays the very Islamic ideals it supposedly champions.

Read more at the link. There are also several other articles on the difference.

 

[Dr.Drock]

The better comparison is to compare biblical texts with texts from the Q'uran.

So behavior is irrelevant? The danger posed by the religious creeds means nothing, we should only concentrate on ancients texts, not on how they are applied in the present?

Are you SURE you've thought this through?

Behavior has to do with man, the religious books have to do with religion. Both these books have and promote things any sane human being would find to be the lowest form of immorality.

Man can behave morally or immorally, irregardless of religion. Do you think if your parents raised you the exact same way but you were spoonfed the Q'uran instead of the Bible from birth to now that you'd be a worse person?

 

[MaggieMae]

^^^^I ask again....200 plane flights with either 100 random Christians, or 100 random Muslims. No screenings. Which do you pick?

2 things will happen by answering this.

1.) You'll hear an answer that will in your opinion validate passing anti-islam/unconstitutional laws and having an anti-islam foreign policy.

2.) You won't believe the answer, and call the person a liar.

My answer is I couldn't care less, flip a coin. A better question for me would be education level. I'd rather have 100 muslims with college degrees than 100 christians with no high school diplomas, I'd rather have 100 christians with college degrees than 100 muslims with no high school education.

I'd rather have 100 muslims going in the same direction I'm going and not afraid of flying than 100 Christians who are afraid of flying and spend the entire trip reading off their rosary beads (had that done).

I'd rather have 100 sober muslims than 100 drunken christians trying to hit on the stewardesses.

I'd rather have 100 regular size muslims than 100 obese christians taking up half my seat.

Priceless!!

 

[Uncensored2008]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was one of the first captured following 911;

Confirming that he was NOT captured and tried by Clinton's team in the 93' bombing case and validating that what you claimed was false. Funny, wasn't he in IRAQ - which your hive claims had nothing to do with Al Qaeda? (I don't expect an answer, you are but a drone - not a thinker-bee.)

Terry Nichols was convicted in 1997 and is still behind bars, unless he died.

Again, only AFTER he was involved in another atrocity.

There is a concept for the sentient beings - stop them BEFORE they strike. You really wouldn't understand.

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone got the balls to answer?

You must take 200 cross country flights. You must fly with 100 random Christians, or 100 random Muslims. Which to you prefer?

I would be more worried about what airline.

Ok. Any airline of your choice. Lets say Southwest. A good, safe airline.

Now, you must pick a flight:

Flight A: 100 random Christians.
Flight B: 100 random Muslims.

Plane is boarding now....you have 30 seconds to choose. And your choice is.......?

Easy choice, I'd choose the Christian flight. Why? Not because I'm afraid of Muslim suicide bombers but just because I grew up around Christians, most of my friends and family are Christians.

 

[logical4u]

The better comparison is to compare biblican texts with texts from the Q'uran.

Just about every horrifying disgusting thing that the Q'uran says you can find the same thing or it's immoral equivalent or worse in the Bible.

That's what this thread is doing, comparing religions, so the religious books should be compared.

Show me a comparison:
“Koran 33:50.

O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers -- We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own -- that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

From a article: American Thinker Blog: Educating Bill O'Reilly on the 'Rape Factor' in Islam (updated) Educating Bill O'Reilly on the 'Rape Factor' in Islam

How many different quotes do you want on the Bible saying rape is ok or encouraged? 1 is too easy, you give me a number and I'll happily oblige to further educate you on your own religious book.

You said they were there. I gave you a quote, no go ahead, compare it. Demonstrate your Biblical knowledge. Show something similar to "that" quote.

 

[MaggieMae]

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry

i don't think democrats "understate the threat". I think that it offends us when we see our country do the type of witch hunt that was done during the mccarthy era and the type of thing that was done to the japanese during WWII.

I'm all for rooting out threats. I'm not for witch hunts.

And if they were looking for all threats, I'd say it was a good thing. But they aren't.

Ok...I actually expect more from you on this. You don't think we should be looking into muslim radicalization in our prison system? You think that is a witch-hunt? The Japanese internment was done by a Democrat, although that’s not really relevant here and I don't know why you would even bring it up, generally the dems play politics with this issue there a couple such as Joe Lieberman who understand but most could care less it all about power, sad but true

In the prison system? Was that a joke? The prison system can't even control Nazification of inmates, let alone recruiting for potential Muslim radicals. I say let them go at each other...in prison.

 

[bodecea]

Is all Islam radical Islam?

Is all Nazism bad Nazism?

Are all leftists fucking retards?

You answered a simple question in an evasive answer.

Let me ask again....answer simply with a YES or a NO.

Is all Islam radical Islam?

 

[MaggieMae]

Ah, flashbacks to people being called "****** Lover" in the 50s.

Or "Teabagger" in 2011.

I think it speaks volumes that whomever came up with the name "Tea Party" was too dumb to realize it would very quickly be dubbed "Teabaggers."

 

[MaggieMae]

Anybody who compares Christians to Radical islam is delusional, and doing just what most liberals do. I'm sure that if congress were having hearings on some "rightwing" Christian militant group the Dems would be all for it

All radicals of religion = all radicals of religion.

Then you're delusional... Sad really.

Do you support Reverend Phelps and the Westboro Church's activities? They are devout Bible Thumpers.

 

[bodecea]

Ah, flashbacks to people being called "****** Lover" in the 50s.

Or "Teabagger" in 2011.

I think it speaks volumes that whomever came up with the name "Tea Party" was too dumb to realize it would very quickly be dubbed "Teabaggers."

Many of them called THEMSELVES "teabaggers" for a while....until they realized......

 

[Uncensored2008]

I'd love to see your historical link for that intriguing piece of information.

No you wouldn't - you just think your can distract and blow smoke to obscure the point.

Endl"sung was highly classified, only the top echelon of the SS were privy to the plans and implementation of the extermination.

{As for the implementation of the "Final Solution" and the murder of other undesirable elements, the situation was different. The Nazis attempted to keep the murders a secret and, therefore, took precautionary measures to ensure that they would not be publicized.}

36 Questions About the Holocaust (1-18)

Had you made it into Jr. High, you would know this already.

Ah, but the hive cares for you and instructs you in your every utterance and behavior.

(Hey, your BEE-havior!)

 

[logical4u]

So, you are asked for evidence in Document A, but you provide Document B...and when called on it, you say it's a Strawman?

I stated the Islam has declared war on America.

They have, as I demonstrated.

The only group you demonstrated to have declared war on the United States is bin Laden's. But to be fair I'm sure there are several radical groups that have done the same.

That's like saying Christianity has declared war on So. Africa.

How many "Christians" have chopped off the heads of South Africans, and celebrate in the street after a tragedy happens there?

 

[jillian]

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry

i don't think democrats "understate the threat". I think that it offends us when we see our country do the type of witch hunt that was done during the mccarthy era and the type of thing that was done to the japanese during WWII.

I'm all for rooting out threats. I'm not for witch hunts.

And if they were looking for all threats, I'd say it was a good thing. But they aren't.

Ok...I actually expect more from you on this. You don't think we should be looking into muslim radicalization in our prison system? You think that is a witch-hunt? The Japanese internment was done by a Democrat, although that’s not really relevant here and I don't know why you would even bring it up, generally the dems play politics with this issue there a couple such as Joe Lieberman who understand but most could care less it all about power, sad but true

i'm a lawyer first. I have a real problem with those types of constitutional violations. I do. There is no excuse for it and every time we do the witch hunt, we regret it as a society. If there is cause to investigate specific people or specific groups then the "patriot act" gives broad latitude to engage in searches. We have people in all kinds of places with their ears to the ground. it seems to me that when they actually choose to look at the intel, we are able to diffuse pretty much everything. I feel the same way about the loons who talk about their second amendment remedies... dangerous idiots who should be put away.

And notwithstanding your need to make it a dem/repub issue, to me it's a legal issue. And you don't want to get me started on Joe Lieberman.

oh... and i keep telling you, i'm not a neocon. I have no patience for blanket hatred of entire groups of people. Do you see Israelis running around holding "hearings" on radicalization of islam. they know there's radicalization. they know why.

what's to hold hearings on other than to humiliate an entire group of people? i dunno.. maybe where you live isn't as mixed as where i live. we have every type of person imaginable here. and to tell the truth, i think it's wrong for people who demand the protections of the first amendment try to deprive other people of it.

 

[rikules]

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry

Senate to Hold Hearings on “Anti-Muslim Bigotry”




On a day when Islamic jihadists exploded a bomb in Jerusalem that murdered at least one woman and wounded thirty, and when Islamic jihadists opened fire on and killed two Christians outside a church in Pakistan, Senator Richard Durbin (D-IL) announced that he was going to hold hearings on the rise in “anti-Muslim bigotry.”

Durbin, of course, was retaliating for the hearings recently conducted by Rep. Peter King (R-NY), who himself bowed to politically correct pressure and dropped several witnesses that he had originally announced his intention to call, including ex-Muslim human rights activist Ayaan Hirsi Ali and terror analyst Walid Phares.

Not only was the timing of Durbin’s announcement ironic, but also the fact that his retaliatory hearings were unnecessary in the first place. King, after all, gave a prime platform at his hearings to the weepy Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), whose pilgrimage to Mecca was paid for with $13,350 from the Muslim American Society, the Muslim Brotherhood ‘s chief operating arm in the U.S.

Ellison used the bully pulpit King gave him to paint a lurid picture of Muslim victimhood, all the while saying nothing (of course) about the sharp increase in jihad terror plots in this country over the last two years. How can Durbin top that?

Senate to Hold Hearings on

probably for the same reason that republicans trivialize the threat from evangelical, militant christians

 

[Dr.Drock]

Show me a comparison:
“Koran 33:50.

O Prophet, We have made lawful for thee thy wives whom thou hast given their wages and what thy right hand owns, spoils of war that God has given thee, and the daughters of thy uncles paternal and aunts paternal, thy uncles maternal and aunts maternal, who have emigrated with thee, and any woman believer, if she give herself to the Prophet and if the Prophet desire to take her in marriage, for thee exclusively, apart from the believers -- We know what We have imposed upon them touching their wives and what their right hands own -- that there may be no fault in thee; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”

From a article: American Thinker Blog: Educating Bill O'Reilly on the 'Rape Factor' in Islam (updated) Educating Bill O'Reilly on the 'Rape Factor' in Islam

How many different quotes do you want on the Bible saying rape is ok or encouraged? 1 is too easy, you give me a number and I'll happily oblige to further educate you on your own religious book.

You said they were there. I gave you a quote, no go ahead, compare it. Demonstrate your Biblical knowledge. Show something similar to "that" quote.

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)



So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.



The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."



Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)



They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.



Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.


3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)



As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)



If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)



If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Here's a few of the many biblical quotes that encourage and promote rape. The Q'uran quote you provided demonstrates this, as do all these quotes.