Why do liberals say secession is TREASON?

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

 

[occupied]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

It's not a lie, it's the policy of the United States that the Union will endure at any cost and those who threaten the stability of the union are traitors. I could go into other reasons but that is the bottom line, it is treason because the United States says it's treason, any state even trying it would be subject to invasion and the governor and legislature subject to arrest. I hope this answers your question.

 

[Old Rocks]

Because the states that decided to leave had a contract with other states in the Union. The Union gave them blood and treasure when they needed protection. One party of an agreement does not have the right to just quit the contract and agreement for some arbitrary or random reason. There were methods that could have been used by the southern states of accomplish their goals. They chose treason instead. Shooting at federal troops is treason in the manner that they did.

The federal troops were trespassing in a foreign county, the CSA. They were told to leave and refused. THINK

The issue was forever settled at Appomatox Court House. Nothing but beating a dead horse now. One Nation, Indivisable!

 

[Slyhunter]

Because the states that decided to leave had a contract with other states in the Union. The Union gave them blood and treasure when they needed protection. One party of an agreement does not have the right to just quit the contract and agreement for some arbitrary or random reason. There were methods that could have been used by the southern states of accomplish their goals. They chose treason instead. Shooting at federal troops is treason in the manner that they did.

The federal troops were trespassing in a foreign county, the CSA. They were told to leave and refused. THINK

The issue was forever settled at Appomatox Court House. Nothing but beating a dead horse now. One Nation, Indivisable!

If a spouse wants to leave the relationship it is wrong to stop her.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish.

The United States is not a "club" you nitwit - its a sovereign nation.

 

[Liminal]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

What does being a member of a club have to do with secession?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

Ever read the Constitution?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Pretty sure the Rebels were levying war against the United States.

 

[Liminal]

I think if states want to leave the union they need to get a Constitutional Convention convened and amend the Constitution. I could be wrong though.

Firing cannons at Federal military outposts, not how you do it. I think they asked for return fire don't you think?

To legally dismember the nation would obviously require some kind of agreement between all the states. How could it possibly be otherwise?

 

[Preacher]

Chief Justice [Salmon P.] Chase tenaciously clung to the idea that there should be no trial for treason.
”If you bring the leaders to trial it will condemn the North, for by the Constitution secession is not rebellion.


That POS is correct there but also went on within a year to backdoor his way to try and outlaw a legal and lawful act.

 

[occupied]

Because the states that decided to leave had a contract with other states in the Union. The Union gave them blood and treasure when they needed protection. One party of an agreement does not have the right to just quit the contract and agreement for some arbitrary or random reason. There were methods that could have been used by the southern states of accomplish their goals. They chose treason instead. Shooting at federal troops is treason in the manner that they did.

The federal troops were trespassing in a foreign county, the CSA. They were told to leave and refused. THINK

The issue was forever settled at Appomatox Court House. Nothing but beating a dead horse now. One Nation, Indivisable!

If a spouse wants to leave the relationship it is wrong to stop her.

We have said all our lives: "One union-indivisible". Did our vows mean nothing? Wanting to leave us for that shameless hussy "conservatism"? And not even pay alimony? We get the children, you can visit them on weekends.

 

[Preacher]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

Ever read the Constitution?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Pretty sure the Rebels were levying war against the United States.

Can't levy war against a nation you weren't apart of. They were 2 separate nations not moronic idiot will ever prove otherwise.

 

[Liminal]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

Ever read the Constitution?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Pretty sure the Rebels were levying war against the United States.

Can't levy war against a nation you weren't apart of. They were 2 separate nations not moronic idiot will ever prove otherwise.

How many nations extended diplomatic recognition to the Confederacy?

 

[bripat9643]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

It is treason because you instantly become an enemy of the United States. That was easy.

In other words, it's treason because it's treason.

Do you have any arguments that aren't logical fallacies or outfight lies?

Ever read the Constitution?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

Pretty sure the Rebels were levying war against the United States.

Can't levy war against a nation you weren't apart of. They were 2 separate nations not moronic idiot will ever prove otherwise.

How many nations extended diplomatic recognition to the Confederacy?

What difference does that make?

 

[M14 Shooter]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

I think that Lincoln made a very good decision not to call the attack by Southern Americans on the United States treason.

While it did meet the definition of treason- it was better for the country not to call it treason.

Wrong, numskull, it doesn't come close to the definition of treason. Try actually reading the definition in the Constitution where it's defined, ignoranus

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The constitution gives an exact definition of treason. Levying war is one of them. Firing on federal facilities and troops was an act of war.

Secession is not making war.

 

[M14 Shooter]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

When you leave a club, you may owe outstanding dues.

This would be specified in the membership agreement. Does not apply here.
Secession in and of it self only equals treason if you change the definition of treason.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Secession in and of itself is not treason.

But the Southerners calling themselves secessionists were guilty of treason against the U.S.

Only if you change the definition of the term "treason:.

 

[Camp]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

I think that Lincoln made a very good decision not to call the attack by Southern Americans on the United States treason.

While it did meet the definition of treason- it was better for the country not to call it treason.

Wrong, numskull, it doesn't come close to the definition of treason. Try actually reading the definition in the Constitution where it's defined, ignoranus

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The constitution gives an exact definition of treason. Levying war is one of them. Firing on federal facilities and troops was an act of war.

Secession is not making war.

Firing on federal facilities and troops is. The issue has been settled since the war. Confederate troops were given pardons on Christmas Day 1868.

 

[NYcarbineer]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

Ratifying the Constitution and agreeing to its laws is not joining a club.

A better analogy would be enlisting in the army.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Secession in and of itself is not treason.

But the Southerners calling themselves secessionists were guilty of treason against the U.S.

Only if you change the definition of the term "treason:.

They took up arms against the United States.

 

[jillian]

When you are a member of a club you have the right to leave whenever you wish. That's what the original 13 colonies did and that's what the confederate states did in 1861. Naturally the central authorities don't like it, but what moral argument can they muster to keep you bound.?

it is not just "liberals" who know secessionist loons are treasonous.... everyone normal knows that's the case