Why do people hate Liberals?

[skookerasbil]

 

[skookerasbil]

I have always found liberals to be generally miserable and highly likely to spend their lives falling all over themselves trying to make others as miserable as they are. Almost invariably, they are also highly jealous of other peoples success so it comes as no surprise that they also want to fcuk over successful people.............whatever it takes. Also for liberals...........but especially the far left ones who troll in here all the time..........this consistent penchant for placing far higher value on good intentions than results, which to me is what makes them really dangerous.

Thankfully for us non-liberals, we can be very thankful that they number less than 20% of the population and the k00ks who troll on here............their views represent, at best, 10% of the population.


Personally, I cant hate anybody who has such a marginal impact on public policy............so its all good. Thank God we live in a Democracy where even fringe views can be heard.

None of those things apply to me. I'm very happy with my life and am successful. I don't take help from the Government but I don't have a problem with those who need it doing so. I do not and have never envied anyone's success. In fact, it is one of the things that makes this country great. I value both good intentions and results-you can have both.

I know a lot of liberals-none of them are like you describe.

I'll admit I don't know the liberals on this board very well-yet but I'd like to find out who they are and what they believe before someone tells me.

I'd like to judge for myself. Same goes for everyone else here.

You didn't say it but others have said Obamacare is Socialist-I think a definition of the word Socialism is in order because Obamacare gives quite a bit of money and power to private insurance companies.

I'd prefer Medicare for all.

Just my 2 cents.

Well of course you are going to say that, but few people can spend more than 24 hours around a far left guy due to being perpetually pissed off. That is except for other far left liberals...............you know what they say.............misery loves company.


Im sure there are exceptions but this is not even debatable..............you look at some of the k00k lefties on here like Truthmatters who is up to damn near 60,000 posts. Try telling me she's the life of the parties!! There are many more like her ( or him.........not sure) on thsi forum..............all miserable mofu's!!!


Sure makes this place a hoot for me though!!!!

 

[Toro]

The one thing about this board that most baffles me is the incredible depth of hatred and contempt for liberals.

The amount of comments from people suggesting all liberals are stupid, anti-patriotic, dumb...you name it. One even suggested liberals don't know what paragraphs are.

I don't get it. And I don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives.

Firstly, the term "liberal" could be used to describe about half of the planet. Like "leftist", it's a fairly cliched catch-all adjective that have little real meaning. It's just too general to be much use.

Secondly, I've met extremely intelligent people from right across the political spectrum - and as many idiots. I've talked to brilliant facists, idiotic conservatives, intelligent communists and brain-dead centrists. I don't see a pattern there at all.

And lastly, why hate liberals when many of the most successful and celebrated administrations have been liberal ones? Were the governments if Clinton, Wilson, FDR, JFK and Truman really so much worse than conservative governments of similar eras?

The constant attacks on liberals seems to me (as an outsider) just a sign of incredible arrogance and conceit - and I would consider attacks on conservatives the same way.

If there is a REAL reason, with facts, for hating liberals - let's hear about it.

First, you're not an American. Of course, you can be a liberal and an American, but the term "liberal" is used as an insult in the American lexicon. Very few national politicians get up on stage and call themselves a liberal, even the liberal ones.

To conservatives - rightly or wrongly - liberals are the embodiment of all that is anti-American. In American mythology - and I do not use the term "mythology" in a pejorative sense - the individual is sovereign. Individuals are free from government interference to pursue life, liberty and happiness. Of course, like all mythologies, this is a generalization and actual practice is rife with contradictions, but the central concept is generally correct. To be an American is to be a free individual. This does not mean freedom from hunger or freedom from homelessness, as it means to parts of the European left. It means freedom of action from government coercion. Liberals may reasonably differ from this interpretation but liberals generally want to use government to right social wrongs. Conservatives view this as an intrusion onto the sovereignty of the individual, which they view as an assault on what it means to be an American.

 

[francoHFW]

I was 2 1/2 when we had a view of the Warspite from our hotel. By that time it looked more like a tanker. My father took a rowboat around it. Thanks!

The Pub propaganda machine has made global warming and gun control of any kind toxic- doesn't mean their right, just loudmouth a-holes. LOL
The world's laughingstock and horror...

 

[Wolfsister77]

I have always found liberals to be generally miserable and highly likely to spend their lives falling all over themselves trying to make others as miserable as they are. Almost invariably, they are also highly jealous of other peoples success so it comes as no surprise that they also want to fcuk over successful people.............whatever it takes. Also for liberals...........but especially the far left ones who troll in here all the time..........this consistent penchant for placing far higher value on good intentions than results, which to me is what makes them really dangerous.

Thankfully for us non-liberals, we can be very thankful that they number less than 20% of the population and the k00ks who troll on here............their views represent, at best, 10% of the population.


Personally, I cant hate anybody who has such a marginal impact on public policy............so its all good. Thank God we live in a Democracy where even fringe views can be heard.

None of those things apply to me. I'm very happy with my life and am successful. I don't take help from the Government but I don't have a problem with those who need it doing so. I do not and have never envied anyone's success. In fact, it is one of the things that makes this country great. I value both good intentions and results-you can have both.

I know a lot of liberals-none of them are like you describe.

I'll admit I don't know the liberals on this board very well-yet but I'd like to find out who they are and what they believe before someone tells me.

I'd like to judge for myself. Same goes for everyone else here.

You didn't say it but others have said Obamacare is Socialist-I think a definition of the word Socialism is in order because Obamacare gives quite a bit of money and power to private insurance companies.

I'd prefer Medicare for all.

Just my 2 cents.

Well of course you are going to say that, but few people can spend more than 24 hours around a far left guy due to being perpetually pissed off. That is except for other far left liberals...............you know what they say.............misery loves company.


Im sure there are exceptions but this is not even debatable..............you look at some of the k00k lefties on here like Truthmatters who is up to damn near 60,000 posts. Try telling me she's the life of the parties!! There are many more like her ( or him.........not sure) on thsi forum..............all miserable mofu's!!!


Sure makes this place a hoot for me though!!!!

Well, I don't know those people yet. But I'm not the least bit miserable and I like the company of Liberals.

Oh well, at least you are having fun. I am too!!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Liberals founded this country

What have conservatives done?

how many times are you going to bring this up?...........and how many times are you going to be told Liberal/Conservative in those days may not have meant as much as it seems to today....they both had a common goal.....they wanted to be free of the British.....the Colonist who were against them were here,but were British at heart obviously....

Nonsense

Liberals and conservatives meant even more than today. The conservatives of the day were Tories who supported the crown. Liberals had this strange notion of all men being created equal

thats right nonsense....only the "Liberals" of the day wanted England out?.....the "Conservatives" of the day did not want Independence?.....then why the fuck did they take the trip to go there?.....the Tories were English Citizens who were loyal to the crown......the Colonist who wanted Independence were ANY Colonist who wanted Independence....for anyone to say ONLY the so called Liberal of the day wanted Independence and everyone else did not.....is pretty dam ridiculous...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Hard working Americans are almost never poor. If you work hard at your job, almost anyone can make a decent living within a few years. Only alcoholics and other reprobates remain poor their entire lives.

If this was 1967 I'd agree with you.

But in 201 2 it can and has been statisically proven that economic mobility in the US is all but dead.

Working your way up is a myth that went out with Reagan.

Sad, but true

The days when you could graduate HS and get a good union job that would enable you to support a wife and four kids are long gone

Now it takes two salaries, College degrees and a lot of luck to support two kids.

All thanks to years of Conservative policies

you got me fooled RW.....in California it has taken two Salaries for quite some time now.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Because they're brainwashed Pub dupes and Pubs have been demonizing Liberals since the late 80's...You know, Newt's talking point BS/hate that's ruined political discourse in the country. There were intelligent conservatives, but they are all dead. AuH20!

And the correct answer IS repititious, chumps...

kinda like your posts.....Chump.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Because they're brainwashed Pub dupes and Pubs have been demonizing Liberals since the late 80's...You know, Newt's talking point BS/hate that's ruined political discourse in the country. There were intelligent conservatives, but they are all dead. AuH20!

And the correct answer IS repititious, chumps...

You resent the hell out of conservatives for thinking of you what you think of them, do you?

I resent Pub dupes for being careless fools who believe a lot of Pubcrappe from greedy lying megarich myopic idiot Pubs who have ruined the nonrich and the country. See my sig. Any questions? LOL.

Frankie....you believe a lot Demcrap from equally greedy lying assholes.....you post the same shit over and over....for a guy who CLAIMS he has a Masters....you seem to be pretty stunted mentally.....oh and Change the Channel Chump....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I was 2 1/2 when we had a view of the Warspite from our hotel. By that time it looked more like a tanker. My father took a rowboat around it. Thanks!

The Pub propaganda machine has made global warming and gun control of any kind toxic- doesn't mean their right, just loudmouth a-holes. LOL
The world's laughingstock and horror...

dam....you are an old Fart.....what was the Roaring twenties like?.....did you see the Babe play when you were a kid?....

 

[francoHFW]

One Dem lie, chump? And I will beat you senseless with your dupe idiocy. Pub lies? Sig pp3, "Obama gutted Medicareand Workfare". Pure BS. YOU believe.

 

[francoHFW]

I'm 61 and look 45. The 20's were GREAT for rich Pubs who started THAT Great Depression...

 

[Sactowndog]

Mr Nick & Zonly -

the only thing i have proven is you are a clown of infinite proportion b/c you state socialism and liberalism don't equal and I say to you are clown b/c socialism and liberalism are the same movements. YOu must have fallen off the turnip truck back in the day, moron.

No, I am on fairly solid ground here - I have both studied and worked with political theory from time to time.

The best map we have of political theories is the horseshoe, which is linked below.

What the horseshoe shows is that people close to the centre on either left or right wing are much, much closer to each other than they are to the extremes.

Clinton (centre left) is closer to Bush (centre right) than he is to Stalin (extreme left).

McCain (centre right) is closer to Obama (Social Democract) than he is to Hitler (extreme right).

This is really the basis to understanding all political theory.

Horseshoe theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Okay since many on the right truely believe Obama to be a communist do you believe that is because Obama is moving that far left or do you think the right is inching closer to Facism and therefore to them Obama appears communist.

Given the basis of the right in conservative religion, their absolute unwillingness to cut the military, and their support of corporate welfare I think it is more the latter. Ron Paul and that wing would be exempted from that characterization of course.

 

[francoHFW]

Only tinfoil total dupes believe Obama is communist. Cold War dinosaur morons. The rest of the world sees a pragmatic centrist.

 

[Sactowndog]

"Progress" progresses into Orwellian territory - once the idiots realize what they have done to our society and culture it will be too late.

I don't understand progressives whatsoever... Why does a person want a government to run their life - dictate what they can and cant do - dictate what they can and cant eat - dictate (eventually) where they can and cannot go?

So I hate the nanny state as much as you but how can you ascribe this just to liberals? The social conservative side is just as likely to tell you how you can behave.

 

[westwall]

The one thing about this board that most baffles me is the incredible depth of hatred and contempt for liberals.

The amount of comments from people suggesting all liberals are stupid, anti-patriotic, dumb...you name it. One even suggested liberals don't know what paragraphs are.

I don't get it. And I don't see anything the like the contempt expressed by liberals towards conservatives.

Firstly, the term "liberal" could be used to describe about half of the planet. Like "leftist", it's a fairly cliched catch-all adjective that have little real meaning. It's just too general to be much use.

Secondly, I've met extremely intelligent people from right across the political spectrum - and as many idiots. I've talked to brilliant facists, idiotic conservatives, intelligent communists and brain-dead centrists. I don't see a pattern there at all.

And lastly, why hate liberals when many of the most successful and celebrated administrations have been liberal ones? Were the governments if Clinton, Wilson, FDR, JFK and Truman really so much worse than conservative governments of similar eras?

The constant attacks on liberals seems to me (as an outsider) just a sign of incredible arrogance and conceit - and I would consider attacks on conservatives the same way.

If there is a REAL reason, with facts, for hating liberals - let's hear about it.

Actually, and I hate to admit it, I have experienced true hatred from liberals more than I have from conservatives. I am socially very liberal, emphasizing individual rights and freedoms over governments power almost universally, I am pro gay marriage (my daughters godmother and one of my sisters are lesbians), I am pro drug legalization, I am anti death penalty except in very rare instances, I am pro choice etc. etc. etc.

However I am also a scientist and as such I will not hide my contempt for bad science and the cult of AGW is an excellent example of that. Liberals have called for the death and improsnment or commitment to mental institutions for sceptics almost from the begining.

The scurillous things the liberals have said are far worse than anything I've heard from conservatives on issues of a social nature. I will grant you that ultra religious zealots will commit murder of abortion doctors (one of the few things I think the death penalty is appropriate for) but they are of limited nature.

Hmmm, ultra religious, that describes the AGW cultists as well. Maybe there's a connection?

So you work for Exxon? lol You don't believe the planet is warming? I'll go with objective scientists.

Nope, my first job was with Dames and Moore, you wouldn't know who they were as they were the worlds first environmental geology company. You know folks who actually try and fix the damage man has done to the planet, unlike you folks who just want to tax people to pollute more.

And as far as objective scientists go, when you can show me one of those "objective" scientists who isn't dependent on government largesse for the AGW "research" they do, you let me know.

 

[westwall]

Only tinfoil total dupes believe Obama is communist. Cold War dinosaur morons. The rest of the world sees a pragmatic centrist.

In what way is he centrist? I see him give loads of money to those who have given him money but his policies are very collectivist. I see nothing centrist about him.

 

[francoHFW]

What was the name of the RW propagandist who just switched sides on AGW?

 

[westwall]

What was the name of the RW propagandist who just switched sides on AGW?

I don't know? Who was it?

 

[francoHFW]

Communist ACA is the Heritage/Nixon/Dole/Romney plan. You are duped. D'OH!