Why do so many people deny climate change

All of which may be true, but the amount of money put into discrediting climate change from special interests (i.e. the coal industry in particular) has brain washed even those of average intelligence and they believe for some unknown reason climate change data is faked as part of a liberal conspiracy.

Lincoln was correct, you can fool some of the people all of the time.






The climate fraudsters have received ORDERS of magnitude more money than the sceptic side so that argument is simply ridiculous. Plus they have had free reign with the media who actively support them. For years it was impossible to hear a sceptic talk in the MSM. As usual wry is full of shit.


The reason why the sceptics are winning is because the science is on OUR side and not yours. If it were on yours there would be no need to squelch papers from dissenters, there would be no need to threaten to imprison and murder sceptics.

No, you are losing because you are lying through your teeth and the public knows it now.

Come on, the science is over, Al Gore said so.

Just give up your freedoms and your trillions, we know best.
We'll take it from here.

I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.
 
You're only looking at a series of ice ages there.. Not typical of the 500Mill yrs of life on this planet PRECEEDING those ice ages. And what happens when the earth is a frozen ball of ICE??? CO2 gets locked up under MILES of glacial ice.. You're a moron for not understanding that and relying on the internet phoneys to put words in your mouth.. Go pull a CO2 chart that goes back to the dinosaurs ---- if you can handle the truth...

500 million years of human life? Human culture? Human infrastructure? CO2 rising 30%/century? No, no, no and no. So what exactly is the relevance?
 
Peer reviewed studies show the rate of change during the MWP and RWP were just as dramatic. Newer research is showing the HTM was likewise rapid so once again your assertions are untrue...

Have you got something that looks very different from the graph below, because your quoted text does not support any contention concerning RATES of change during the MWP or the LIA. And I have to ask (and will undoubtedly regret having done so) what is HTM?

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Peer reviewed studies show the rate of change during the MWP and RWP were just as dramatic. Newer research is showing the HTM was likewise rapid so once again your assertions are untrue...

Have you got something that looks very different from the graph below, because your quoted text does not support any contention concerning RATES of change during the MWP or the LIA. And I have to ask (and will undoubtedly regret having done so) what is HTM?

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That chart is called MGH99. It's another variation of the Hockey stick graph, and just as bogus.
 
Here's a hoax:

You claim the scientists on the right are correct.

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"Hey, wait a minute. If science is done by consensus why you have to kill so many of us with those lab experiments? What the fuck. You'll hear from my attorney"
 
The climate fraudsters have received ORDERS of magnitude more money than the sceptic side so that argument is simply ridiculous. Plus they have had free reign with the media who actively support them. For years it was impossible to hear a sceptic talk in the MSM. As usual wry is full of shit.


The reason why the sceptics are winning is because the science is on OUR side and not yours. If it were on yours there would be no need to squelch papers from dissenters, there would be no need to threaten to imprison and murder sceptics.

No, you are losing because you are lying through your teeth and the public knows it now.

Come on, the science is over, Al Gore said so.

Just give up your freedoms and your trillions, we know best.
We'll take it from here.

I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.

I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

I think you should do all the science you want. I also think you should stop trying to deny publication to those who disagree. And you should stop lying about your data. And stop hiding data that disagrees with your theory.

It has nothing to do with ''freedom''

When you try to shut down coal plants, force smaller cars on people, force consumers to pay more for "green energy", force taxpayers to subsidize "green energy", it is about freedom.

it has nothing to do with ''trillions'',

:lol:
 
The climate fraudsters have received ORDERS of magnitude more money than the sceptic side so that argument is simply ridiculous. Plus they have had free reign with the media who actively support them. For years it was impossible to hear a sceptic talk in the MSM. As usual wry is full of shit.


The reason why the sceptics are winning is because the science is on OUR side and not yours. If it were on yours there would be no need to squelch papers from dissenters, there would be no need to threaten to imprison and murder sceptics.

No, you are losing because you are lying through your teeth and the public knows it now.

Come on, the science is over, Al Gore said so.

Just give up your freedoms and your trillions, we know best.
We'll take it from here.

I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.


When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.
 
Come on, the science is over, Al Gore said so.

Just give up your freedoms and your trillions, we know best.
We'll take it from here.

I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.


When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.
 
I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.


When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

What you are doing is perpetrating a hoax to con people out of trillions of dollars. Fraud is a criminal offense. When the entire world finally understands that AGW is nothing but a con, all the major perpetrators were be tried and imprisoned.
 
When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

What you are doing is perpetrating a hoax to con people out of trillions of dollars. Fraud is a criminal offense. When the entire world finally understands that AGW is nothing but a con, all the major perpetrators were be tried and imprisoned.

How is anything I am doing about AGW putting money in MY pocket?
 
I believe, that you believe, that if you deny the science, something changes.

Nothing changes. It has nothing to do with ''freedom'', it has nothing to do with ''trillions'', it has to do with reality. Which is not in any way affected by your words.


When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

Cleaning up the environment is a good thing.
Wasting trillions treating CO2 as a pollutant is a joke.
 
You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

What you are doing is perpetrating a hoax to con people out of trillions of dollars. Fraud is a criminal offense. When the entire world finally understands that AGW is nothing but a con, all the major perpetrators were be tried and imprisoned.

How is anything I am doing about AGW putting money in MY pocket?

It's putting money in the pockets of the ringleaders of the scam, and a large majority of the weasels who support it. They're all sucking on the government tit, and this scam will shovel vast new piles of plunder into the government's insatiable maw.

If your just one of the chumps being used in this con, you can only blame yourself for being such a pathetic dupe.
 
because of articles like this:
Unprecedented July Cold - Arctic Sees Shortest Summer On Record
 
When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

What you are doing is perpetrating a hoax to con people out of trillions of dollars. Fraud is a criminal offense. When the entire world finally understands that AGW is nothing but a con, all the major perpetrators were be tried and imprisoned.

Except it isn't a hoax or a fraud.
 
It use to go nearly all the way to Alaska.

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And 1980

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This is the average extent for.

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You are doing the same moronic cherry picking presentation. As if last year is significant.

Clearly you have decided to be ignorant and ignore variability.

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Oh, look, 2013 isn't shit compared to 2006 and before.

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And in terms of the complete record of the extent, it is well below the average.

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It would be nice if the 2013 rebound meant something long term.

Unfortunately, surface melting has it as a summer lake

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And simple extent is really not the whole story. Thickness is all so important. Nasa and the NOAA are closed.

It use to go nearly all the way to Alaska.

It used to go half across Illinois.

That would be warming. And since 1910, it has been warming even more, faster than ever, faster than the natural rate. That's the point.

So, what was the last time the Arctic Ice Cap melted?

How much faster than the "natural rate"?
 
It use to go nearly all the way to Alaska.

It used to go half across Illinois.

That would be warming. And since 1910, it has been warming even more, faster than ever, faster than the natural rate. That's the point.

So, what was the last time the Arctic Ice Cap melted?

How much faster than the "natural rate"?

Good question, why don't you figure it out?

Work from here

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You may be able to find one that goes to 2013. The actual data may be available.
 
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When you ignore a hoax nothing happens other than that you don't waste trillions of dollars by pouring them down a rat hole, and you don't give government vast new powers to control you.

Treating hoaxes as if they were reality is where the danger lies. Con artists such as you should be rounded up and imprisoned.

You should be rounded up and imprisoned. At worst we are trying to convince the government to spend more money cleaning up the environment than it might otherwise do. You are the one putting humanity, irretrievably, in harms way.

What you are doing is perpetrating a hoax to con people out of trillions of dollars. Fraud is a criminal offense. When the entire world finally understands that AGW is nothing but a con, all the major perpetrators were be tried and imprisoned.

Conservatives favorite trick. Accuse everyone else of their agenda.

As big oil's propaganda team, they work endlessly on behalf of wealth redistribution, their way. Move the cost of their life style to their kids. Forward the bills for their cheap energy to the next generation. Deny science so everyone but them has to deal with the waste from their lives.
 
Here is the thing that has to be addressed.

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The blue dotted line is the monthly average for 1979 to 2006. The grey bar that surround it is the +/- standard deviation of the monthly average.

The 2007 to 2013 minimums are far beyond three standard deviations which is beyond the 95% confidence that they are the result of simply random variability.

In fact, the 2012 minimum is beyond the six sigma range, statistically impossible for random variability.

That really is the thing. The fact that 2013 happens to be of greater extent than 2012 is meaningless. It is particularly meaningless if we consider that this is all new ice. The extent doesn't do justice to the volume.
 
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