Why do so many people deny climate change

[Toddsterpatriot]

That would be warming. And since 1910, it has been warming even more, faster than ever, faster than the natural rate. That's the point.

So, what was the last time the Arctic Ice Cap melted?

How much faster than the "natural rate"?

Good question, why don't you figure it out?

Work from here

You may be able to find one that goes to 2013. The actual data may be available.

You made the claim, you don't know?

 

[itfitzme]

How much faster than the "natural rate"?

Good question, why don't you figure it out?

Work from here

You may be able to find one that goes to 2013. The actual data may be available.

You made the claim, you don't know?

It is obvious from examining the graph provided. The exercise would be good for you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Good question, why don't you figure it out?

Work from here

You may be able to find one that goes to 2013. The actual data may be available.

You made the claim, you don't know?

It is obvious from examining the graph provided. The exercise would be good for you.

The "natural rate" is obvious? Prove it.

 

[itfitzme]

You made the claim, you don't know?

It is obvious from examining the graph provided. The exercise would be good for you.

The "natural rate" is obvious? Prove it.

I am busy working on something else. If you wish to be in denial, that is just fine by me. Anyone with half a brain recognizes the obvious. As they say, you can lead Toddster to the science, but you can't make him think.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is obvious from examining the graph provided. The exercise would be good for you.

The "natural rate" is obvious? Prove it.

I am busy working on something else. If you wish to be in denial, that is just fine by me. Anyone with half a brain recognizes the obvious. As they say, you can lead Toddster to the science, but you can't make him think.

The obvious "natural rate"? LOL!

 

[Abraham3]

From my read of the graph provided:

Warming rate leading in to the MWP: +0.045C/century

Warming rate from 1900 till 2000: +0.9C/century

RATIO: 20:1

Still waiting for the research from Westwall that shows the warming rates were similar.

 

[itfitzme]

The "natural rate" is obvious? Prove it.

I am busy working on something else. If you wish to be in denial, that is just fine by me. Anyone with half a brain recognizes the obvious. As they say, you can lead Toddster to the science, but you can't make him think.

The obvious "natural rate"? LOL!

Todd, if you can't see it, just looking at the chart, then you're obviously being ignorant. Sticking your head up your ass is a personal problem.

Nobody wants to hold your hand while you pull your head out of your ass.

 

[itfitzme]

From my read of the graph provided:

Warming rate leading in to the MWP: +0.045C/century

Warming rate from 1900 till 2000: +0.9C/century

RATIO: 20:1

Still waiting for the research from Westwall that shows the warming rates were similar.

Really? That much?

The issue I have with it is that the the change has occurred within the boundaries of what are otherwise just high frequency natural variation. Instead of dropping, it just continued up. Yeah, I'll buy into your 20:1. I just haven't decided how to deal with it quantitatively except it is obviously far beyond what has been normal.

 

[Spiderman]

There is nothing to deny.

Climate changes constantly and people surely have an effect.

What's not to be believed is that the world will end if the temps are a few degrees warmer.

 

[itfitzme]

There is nothing to deny.

Climate changes constantly and people surely have an effect.

What's not to be believed is that the world will end if the temps are a few degrees warmer.

Where did you get the idea that the world would end? Perhaps you are prone to catastophizing.

 

[Spiderman]

There is nothing to deny.

Climate changes constantly and people surely have an effect.

What's not to be believed is that the world will end if the temps are a few degrees warmer.

Where did you get the idea that the world would end? Perhaps you are prone to catastophizing.

All you have to do is listen to the warming wackos.

"Millions will die." " We have to "save the planet" Floods, drought "extreme" weather yada yada etc etc ad nauseum.

 

[itfitzme]

There is nothing to deny.

Climate changes constantly and people surely have an effect.

What's not to be believed is that the world will end if the temps are a few degrees warmer.

Where did you get the idea that the world would end? Perhaps you are prone to catastophizing.

All you have to do is listen to the warming wackos.

"Millions will die." " We have to "save the planet" Floods, drought "extreme" weather yada yada etc etc ad nauseum.

"the world will end"

That is your statement.

The population of the planet is 7 Billion. Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion. So, if millions die, that isn't the end of the world.

Flood and extreme drought are also not "the end of the world".

You can count beyond four, right?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where did you get the idea that the world would end? Perhaps you are prone to catastophizing.

All you have to do is listen to the warming wackos.

"Millions will die." " We have to "save the planet" Floods, drought "extreme" weather yada yada etc etc ad nauseum.

"the world will end"

That is your statement.

The population of the planet is 7 Billion. Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion. So, if millions die, that isn't the end of the world.

Flood and extreme drought are also not "the end of the world".

You can count beyond four, right?

Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion

500 million is 50% less than a billion.
50 million is 95% less than a billion.
5 million is 99.5% less than a billion.
500 thousand is 99.95% less than a billion.
50 thousand is 99.995% less than a billion.
5 thousand is 99.9995% less than a billion.
500 is 99.99995% less than a billion.
50 is 99.999995% less than a billion.
5 is 99.9999995% less than a billion.
1 is 99.9999999% less than a billion.
0 is 100% less than a billion.
What number is 1000 times (100000%) less than a billion?
I'm pretty sure it's not 1,000,000

 

[itfitzme]

All you have to do is listen to the warming wackos.

"Millions will die." " We have to "save the planet" Floods, drought "extreme" weather yada yada etc etc ad nauseum.

"the world will end"

That is your statement.

The population of the planet is 7 Billion. Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion. So, if millions die, that isn't the end of the world.

Flood and extreme drought are also not "the end of the world".

You can count beyond four, right?

Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion

500 million is 50% less than a billion.
50 million is 95% less than a billion.
5 million is 99.5% less than a billion.
500 thousand is 99.95% less than a billion.
50 thousand is 99.995% less than a billion.
5 thousand is 99.9995% less than a billion.
500 is 99.99995% less than a billion.
50 is 99.999995% less than a billion.
5 is 99.9999995% less than a billion.
1 is 99.9999999% less than a billion.
0 is 100% less than a billion.
What number is 1000 times (100000%) less than a billion?
I'm pretty sure it's not 1,000,000

1,000 one thousand
1,000,000 one million
1,000,000,000 one billion.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion. (unless your in the UK, I don't know how they do things there.)

1 billion divided by 1000 is one million.

10^3 Thousand
10^6 Million
10^9 Billion

So what's your point, that I didn't bother with the "s" at the end of millions?

Thinking by finding stupid shit to whine about may be why you are having a hard time at science.

It seems like a form of catastophizing.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"the world will end"

That is your statement.

The population of the planet is 7 Billion. Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion. So, if millions die, that isn't the end of the world.

Flood and extreme drought are also not "the end of the world".

You can count beyond four, right?

Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion

500 million is 50% less than a billion.
50 million is 95% less than a billion.
5 million is 99.5% less than a billion.
500 thousand is 99.95% less than a billion.
50 thousand is 99.995% less than a billion.
5 thousand is 99.9995% less than a billion.
500 is 99.99995% less than a billion.
50 is 99.999995% less than a billion.
5 is 99.9999995% less than a billion.
1 is 99.9999999% less than a billion.
0 is 100% less than a billion.
What number is 1000 times (100000%) less than a billion?
I'm pretty sure it's not 1,000,000

1,000 one thousand
1,000,000 one million
1,000,000,000 one billion.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion. (unless your in the UK, I don't know how they do things there.)

1 billion divided by 1000 is one million.

10^3 Thousand
10^6 Million
10^9 Billion

So what's your point, that I didn't bother with the "s" at the end of millions?

Thinking by finding stupid shit to whine about may be why you are having a hard time at science.

It seems like a form of catastophizing.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion.

Nope. 0 is "1 times less" than 1 billion.

1 million is one/thousandth of 1 billion.

Sorry, your stupid shit make me laugh, not whine.

 

[itfitzme]

Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion

500 million is 50% less than a billion.
50 million is 95% less than a billion.
5 million is 99.5% less than a billion.
500 thousand is 99.95% less than a billion.
50 thousand is 99.995% less than a billion.
5 thousand is 99.9995% less than a billion.
500 is 99.99995% less than a billion.
50 is 99.999995% less than a billion.
5 is 99.9999995% less than a billion.
1 is 99.9999999% less than a billion.
0 is 100% less than a billion.
What number is 1000 times (100000%) less than a billion?
I'm pretty sure it's not 1,000,000

1,000 one thousand
1,000,000 one million
1,000,000,000 one billion.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion. (unless your in the UK, I don't know how they do things there.)

1 billion divided by 1000 is one million.

10^3 Thousand
10^6 Million
10^9 Billion

So what's your point, that I didn't bother with the "s" at the end of millions?

Thinking by finding stupid shit to whine about may be why you are having a hard time at science.

It seems like a form of catastophizing.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion.

Nope. 0 is "1 times less" than 1 billion.

1 million is one/thousandth of 1 billion.

Sorry, your stupid shit make me laugh, not whine.

What the f are you talking about? Do you have any idea? Cuz no one else does

 

[flacaltenn]

Where did you get the idea that the world would end? Perhaps you are prone to catastophizing.

All you have to do is listen to the warming wackos.

"Millions will die." " We have to "save the planet" Floods, drought "extreme" weather yada yada etc etc ad nauseum.

"the world will end"

That is your statement.

The population of the planet is 7 Billion. Millions is 1000 times less than a Billion. So, if millions die, that isn't the end of the world.

Flood and extreme drought are also not "the end of the world".

You can count beyond four, right?

I'm considering using that brilliant and compassionate assertion in my footer.. How do you want your name to appear. All lower case??

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

1,000 one thousand
1,000,000 one million
1,000,000,000 one billion.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion. (unless your in the UK, I don't know how they do things there.)

1 billion divided by 1000 is one million.

10^3 Thousand
10^6 Million
10^9 Billion

So what's your point, that I didn't bother with the "s" at the end of millions?

Thinking by finding stupid shit to whine about may be why you are having a hard time at science.

It seems like a form of catastophizing.

1 million is 1000 times less than 1 billion.

Nope. 0 is "1 times less" than 1 billion.

1 million is one/thousandth of 1 billion.

Sorry, your stupid shit make me laugh, not whine.

What the f are you talking about? Do you have any idea? Cuz no one else does

Unless you're talking about a negative number, nothing is more than 1 times less than. Idiot.

 

[flacaltenn]

From my read of the graph provided:

Warming rate leading in to the MWP: +0.045C/century

Warming rate from 1900 till 2000: +0.9C/century

RATIO: 20:1

Still waiting for the research from Westwall that shows the warming rates were similar.

You really are brainwashed or math challenged or both..

Your 0.045degC/century implies that the warming for MWP was only on the order of 0.1degC... That's ludicrous.... And nobody with an investment in the fight is gonna buy that.

 

[Abraham3]

From my read of the graph provided:

Warming rate leading in to the MWP: +0.045C/century

Warming rate from 1900 till 2000: +0.9C/century

RATIO: 20:1

Still waiting for the research from Westwall that shows the warming rates were similar.

You really are brainwashed or math challenged or both..

Your 0.045degC/century implies that the warming for MWP was only on the order of 0.1degC... That's ludicrous.... And nobody with an investment in the fight is gonna buy that.

From the graph that's been floating around here it looks to me as if the rise time of the MWP was 550 years in length and that over that period temperatures rose 0.25C. If you've got different data, let's see it.