Why does faith deserve respect?

[Newby]

No, you just didn't like my answer.

Your 'answer' is that most Christians don't read the Bible, and that if there is a 'designer', he's not very good since he screwed up your eyes? If you think that answered the question that I asked, then there really is no point in going further. Have a nice day Carla. lol

No, I said most of the Christians that I know do not read the Bible....not most Christians.

I do not believe that all Christians are fanatics, furthermore, I do believe some are very sincere in their faith. Not all Christians pretend to be superior, just some of them.

This intelligent designer would not get a very good grade on designing our eyes. He/she put the blood vessels and nerves that carry all the visual information to our brain on top of our retina. That's like putting all the wiring of a video camera on top of the lens.--Julia Sweeney

Where the blood vessels go through our retina and into our brain, it causes us to have a blind spot, which we compensate for by hallucinating. Not a very good design.

I'm going to give that intelligent designer a C-. LOL!

I'll vote a round of applause to the gawds for that blueprint of the cancer cell.

Clearly, a master stroke of "design".

Clearly, the believers in "Intelligent Design" have never smelled a fart.

There are so many examples in nature of poor "design", you'd have to think that only incompetent gawds could be responsible.

You say incompetent, I say designed for the intended result.

 

[Hollie]

Funny how a certain type of atheist - the kind that like to kid themselves that their inability to comprehend faith makes them 'intelligent' - can never complete the other side of a thought.

Faith is a good thing, when it's applied to something real and tangible, otherwise it's just a gateway to insanity.

Funny how a certain type of atheist - the kind that like to kid themselves that their inability to comprehend faith makes them 'intelligent' - can never complete the other side of a thought.

Faith is a good thing, when it's applied to something real and tangible, otherwise it's just a gateway to insanity.

Neat. I like that description.

Regarding a gateway to insanity, I think If you drill down on this, of what use or need is an "author" who is uninvolved? Why the requirement for religionists to opt for a sentient, intelligent, and somehow "alive" being-- what's the point? To satisfy some anthropomorphic desire? Human egotism?

An invisible, undetectable, unknown and completely and perfectly uninvolved entity is synonymous with "Nothingness". So why give this nothingness human attributes?

 

[emilynghiem]

It doesn't

Hi Guno:
The issue, the key factor in saving humanity from conflict and suffering
is "faith in FORGIVENESS"

Forgiveness is the greatest challenge to anyone's faith that good overcomes evil
and right corrects all wrongs.

Forgiveness brings healing, restores relations, opens to the door to good faith and good will
to make corrections and also restitution to correct and heal past wrongs.

There is nothing to respect about
Faith in Retribution and ill will to trash someone else.
Faith in bullying someone or forcing something down someone's throat to beat them into submission.

So please SPECIFY what the "faith is in"
and that makes all the difference.

Thanks!

 

[emilynghiem]

An invisible, undetectable, unknown and completely and perfectly uninvolved entity is synonymous with "Nothingness". So why give this nothingness human attributes?

Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work
might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?

Sort of like how ideas or conflicts we are trying to work out,
might take on symbolism in our dreams at night, to express what the problems are,
so we can figure it out. We didn't choose what we dream, but we receive these dreams
and we interpret them to get meaning or insights from them. They came to us in those forms, those symbols.

The people I know that have received divine visions or even visitations
DID NOT CHOOSE THESE
These visions came to them in that format.

I see it as future events that give off such strong energy and impact,
that they transcend time and space, and people can see them like receiving energy signals in advance.
But they aren't always literal (one of my friends does get more literal visions
but these are rare, where the picture in her head matches exactly; most people
it is like dreams and only loosely symbolic and so it requires interpretation and is not literal)

Whether people personify God or Jesus or Angels in human form,
the idea is the same:
Angels are like positive prayers or energy to influence people in a better direction, to lift them up to higher aspirations.
God can be experienced as Love, truth, wisdom, divine understanding or feeling a divine purpose gift or blessing in life.
Jesus can be either Salvation or Justice, some higher sense of connections by conscience to all humanity universally.

These realms of experience, of feeling collective oneness or wholeness with all of humanity,
can be so overwhelming, they come in visions with symbols that people can contain.

Otherwise the feeling and energy is beyond what most people can express.

 

[the_human_being]

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

 

[Hollie]

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

A novice atheist?

How does that make sense? Even by your standards of pointlesness, how does that make sense?

 

[Hollie]

An invisible, undetectable, unknown and completely and perfectly uninvolved entity is synonymous with "Nothingness". So why give this nothingness human attributes?

Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work
might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?

Sort of like how ideas or conflicts we are trying to work out,
might take on symbolism in our dreams at night, to express what the problems are,
so we can figure it out. We didn't choose what we dream, but we receive these dreams
and we interpret them to get meaning or insights from them. They came to us in those forms, those symbols.

The people I know that have received divine visions or even visitations
DID NOT CHOOSE THESE
These visions came to them in that format.

I see it as future events that give off such strong energy and impact,
that they transcend time and space, and people can see them like receiving energy signals in advance.
But they aren't always literal (one of my friends does get more literal visions
but these are rare, where the picture in her head matches exactly; most people
it is like dreams and only loosely symbolic and so it requires interpretation and is not literal)

Whether people personify God or Jesus or Angels in human form,
the idea is the same:
Angels are like positive prayers or energy to influence people in a better direction, to lift them up to higher aspirations.
God can be experienced as Love, truth, wisdom, divine understanding or feeling a divine purpose gift or blessing in life.
Jesus can be either Salvation or Justice, some higher sense of connections by conscience to all humanity universally.

These realms of experience, of feeling collective oneness or wholeness with all of humanity,
can be so overwhelming, they come in visions with symbols that people can contain.

Otherwise the feeling and energy is beyond what most people can express.

"Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?"


Yes, that has occurred to me.

Has it occurred to you that the powers of divine forces may have taken on human attributes and are communicating with people through the likes of Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Ted Kaczynski, etc.?

Why should that be surprising? Read the OT for an object lesson in the evil that gawds perform.

If anything on earth convinced me that the Judeo-Christian gawds had nothing at all to do with the Bibles, it was reading the Bibles themselves. It is interesting mythology, and it has the greatest, most evil villain of all time in it. His name is Jehovah.

 

[HUGGY]

Why does faith deserve respect?

It doesn't. It is the go to refuge of ignorance.

 

[the_human_being]

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

A novice atheist?

How does that make sense? Even by your standards of pointlesness, how does that make sense?

Don't worry about it. It doesn't apply to you. Tell Apolloyon we Christians are ready for him when he comes.

 

[the_human_being]

Why does faith deserve respect?

It doesn't. It is the go to refuge of ignorance.

Yet another who has fed himself the ego-inflating lie that he has intelligence.

 

[HUGGY]

Why does faith deserve respect?

It doesn't. It is the go to refuge of ignorance.

Yet another who has fed himself the ego-inflating lie that he has intelligence.

Ya...well at least mine is measurable and I don't have to pray for wisdom like you goofs.

 

[Steven_R]

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

A novice atheist?

How does that make sense? Even by your standards of pointlesness, how does that make sense?

When you first start out as an atheist, you know there isn't a God. As you go up the ranks of atheism, you really really really know there is no God.

And then there's the secret handshake, prime parking, low interest house loans, exclusive washrooms, endless mimosas at brunch, and no cover charge to get in the Champagne Room at the gentleman's club.

 

[emilynghiem]

An invisible, undetectable, unknown and completely and perfectly uninvolved entity is synonymous with "Nothingness". So why give this nothingness human attributes?

Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work
might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?

Sort of like how ideas or conflicts we are trying to work out,
might take on symbolism in our dreams at night, to express what the problems are,
so we can figure it out. We didn't choose what we dream, but we receive these dreams
and we interpret them to get meaning or insights from them. They came to us in those forms, those symbols.

The people I know that have received divine visions or even visitations
DID NOT CHOOSE THESE
These visions came to them in that format.

I see it as future events that give off such strong energy and impact,
that they transcend time and space, and people can see them like receiving energy signals in advance.
But they aren't always literal (one of my friends does get more literal visions
but these are rare, where the picture in her head matches exactly; most people
it is like dreams and only loosely symbolic and so it requires interpretation and is not literal)

Whether people personify God or Jesus or Angels in human form,
the idea is the same:
Angels are like positive prayers or energy to influence people in a better direction, to lift them up to higher aspirations.
God can be experienced as Love, truth, wisdom, divine understanding or feeling a divine purpose gift or blessing in life.
Jesus can be either Salvation or Justice, some higher sense of connections by conscience to all humanity universally.

These realms of experience, of feeling collective oneness or wholeness with all of humanity,
can be so overwhelming, they come in visions with symbols that people can contain.

Otherwise the feeling and energy is beyond what most people can express.

"Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?"


Yes, that has occurred to me.

Has it occurred to you that the powers of divine forces may have taken on human attributes and are communicating with people through the likes of Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Ted Kaczynski, etc.?

Why should that be surprising? Read the OT for an object lesson in the evil that gawds perform.

If anything on earth convinced me that the Judeo-Christian gawds had nothing at all to do with the Bibles, it was reading the Bibles themselves. It is interesting mythology, and it has the greatest, most evil villain of all time in it. His name is Jehovah.

Hi Hollie
YES: this is part of what spiritual knowledge is about.
Knowing the difference between the realms of angels and demons:
the voices of the DEMONIC are different from the voices of God
because one promotes ILL WILL and RETRIBUTION while the other
seeks FORGIVENESS and PEACE by restoring justice for ALL people through HEALING.
That's how you tell the difference: it is Good will or Ill will?
is it a message of Forgiveness and HEALING/Inclusion
or Unforgiveness and Retribution and Rejection?

Very important, thanks for pointing this out there is a HUGE problem
if people teach or abuse God to be DEMONIC and reject out of ill will and retribution.
That is Antichrist not Christ, and you are RIGHT to point out something in religion is
getting abused. However, the way to overcome the Antichrist abuses
is to correct them in the spirit and authority of Christ which trumps the evil abuses.

David Berkowitz was one who learned later the difference
between the voices of demons and the way to get rid of these by authority in Christ.

For Andrea Yates it was also too late, and she didn't get help for her schizophrenic voices
until after she killed her five children trying to get these voices to stop.

Coral Eugene Watts is another one possessed by demon voices that drove him to kill women.
Many others are just as dangerous, even parents who kill their children thinking they are demons.

Hollie, the teachings and practice of spiritual healing
ADDRESS these demonic sicknesses and
have CURED people of SCHIZOPHRENIA and demonic obsessions/voices.

This is why it is a matter of life and death, and stopping criminally sick people,
to research and establish this method of DIAGNOSING and CURING people
BEFORE they kill or harm anyone!

It is like a disease and there is a way to intervene early, like cancer, to prevent it from becoming fatal.
it can be stopped, just like any other disease
that have CAUSES and CURES.

Hollie this is WHY the research and medical studies need to be done.
to SAVE LIVES from people who are sick and won't get help, until after it's too late!

See resources I have listed on a webpage as references freespiritualhealing Resources for Healing and Forgiveness Therapy
* Dr. Scott Peck "Glimpses of the Devil" where two schizophrenic patients with demonic personalities/obsessions
were cured (one patient recovered in time, where she could go back to school and study science because she was inspired by how Dr. Peck used the scientific method to uncover the root cause of her sickness and apply the cure, when the psychiatric profession only knew about medications and had never tried this exorcism method that saved her life;
the other patient was cured mentally but died of physical complications from years of abusing her body all her adult life.)

* Dr. Francis MacNutt "Healing" Christian Healing Ministries - Christian Healing Ministries
He explains the DIFFERENCE between the positive spiritual healing prayers and the
NEGATIVE occult and witchcraft / dark forces that clash and cause sickness and death because
these demonic energy LIVE OFF the fear and anger and rebellion of unforgiveness which is cured by forgiveness.

David Berkowitz has posted his testimony, about before and after he was freed from occult influences that had made him so sick that he killed people to relieve the impulses he couldn't control: David Berkowitz s former Son of Sam Testimony Translations

* Dr. Phillip Goldfedder Healing Is Yours
Dr. Goldfedder is Jewish and didn't understand Christianity was real until someone showed him how spiritual healing worked naturally with science and medicine. It changed his neurosurgery practice.
He is still Jewish, but add the knowledge of Christ and spiritual healing to what he does and teaches.
So now he counsels and heals more people effectively and permanently using spiritual healing
than he was able to using surgery.

Hollie this is IMPORTANT:
This Christian Spiritual Healing is the ONLY cure I have seen work
to help people with Criminal DEMONIC and SATANIC sickness.

For you to blame the demonic sick voices on the people who seek to cure them
is like blaming cancer on the doctors for pointing out cancer exists, what causes it and how to cure it.

The doctors are not the cause of cancer.

You remind me of the African people who were telling their neighbors
to run away from the doctors trying to isolate them from Ebola and treat them.
They thought the weird people in safety suits were kidnapping and injecting people with the disease,
when it was the OPPOSITE.

They meant well, and thought they were saving their family from kidnappers.
But this caused more harm by preventing people from getting the cure, and more people died by running away.
o
Hollie it is IMPORTANT to separate the natural/true and the unnatural/false practices:
A. spiritual healing based on forgiveness and curing the cause of sickness, addiction, abuse even mental and criminal ills
is the NATURAL HEALING practice that is beneficial and causes no harm or risk to any person because it works with science and medicine and doesn't deny any assistance but uses ALL available resources to treat people normally and fully
B. False faith healing adds conditions and expects change by citing or imitating religious rituals
and this has led to parents cutting up their kids or killing people using force or rituals to hurt people
this is FALSE malpractice and dangerous and criminal and is NOT what I mean or Christians mean by spiritual healing
Even the fraudulent "conversion therapy" that has tortured and damaged people falls under faith faith healing
You can tell the difference because it has nothing to do with forgiveness and healing, but is conditions imposed from outside
C. Occult Voodoo Witchcraft Sorcery Black Magic Dark forces demonism spiritism
etc. fall under ill will and manipulation that CLASHES with spiritual healing.
This is even more dangerous because it can spread like mob behavior that
causes the tribal genocidal attacks and brutality in Africa with Voodoo and other occult practices, and along the border of Mexico with Satanic cults and beheadings/sacrifices.

Clearly B and C are NOT the spiritual healing in A.

But what people don't know is that the spiritual healing in A
can CURE the mental and criminal sickness in cases of B and C.

So we cannot afford to reject A but must research and develop
medically sound methods of diagnosis and cure or we can't help the legal system
stop the madness of killers who are sick or brainwashed in B or C situations.

That's why we need science to prove the methods in A.
We need to stop the sickness and crimes/killings that happen with B and C going unchecked.

Thanks, Hollie
thank you for bring this up which is KEY to solving these problems.

Mental and criminal illness has a cause and cure just like cancer
not all cases can be cured, but if we intervene early there is a better chance of stopping
the sickness or at least containing it so it doesn't cause worse harm.

 

[mamooth]

The right to hold any ideas without interference, so long as they don't harm others, deserves respect. And gets it.

The ideas themselves don't have to be respected. But if those holding the ideas are leaving you alone, you leave them alone.

Now, if they try to force you to live by their crazy ideas, you push back, and one way is by pointing out how crazy the ideas are.

 

[emilynghiem]

Why does faith deserve respect?

It doesn't. It is the go to refuge of ignorance.

Yet another who has fed himself the ego-inflating lie that he has intelligence.

Ya...well at least mine is measurable and I don't have to pray for wisdom like you goofs.

Many wise people have pointed out:
Christian prayer is like talking to God
Buddhist meditation is sitting still and letting God answer

Whatever you call Wisdom, truth, insights, answers, solutions,
and Whatever ways these ideas and thoughts come to you,
we are all using our CONSCIENCE to sort this process out.

So there are channels for sending out
and channels for receiving. The point is to communicate clearly
so signals do not get crossed, corrupted with noise, blocked or twisted around misunderstood.

The point is to reach agreement on what we mean
so we can solve problems and make the most of our
lives, relations, time energy and resources available.

If we have different ways of communicating ideas and knowledge
So be it
That is part of human and cultural diversity

Why take issue with that when we have so much more we could
be doing with our words and actions to make the world a better place?

Hugs to you Huggy
I really see no issue with picking issues apart
We really have bigger battles to fight
so if this is just a friendly scrimmage for practice
we need to get going quickly because there's major training
to do if we are going to fix the problems we have in real life

what we learn here from each other should help us
overcome worse conflicts causing problems in society

if it only keeps us more stuck, that's not solving anything
What we can do or share to lift each other higher
to understand more and do better? How can we
help each other to be better people, not think worse of each other.

Can't we do better than this?
What do you think?

 

[emilynghiem]

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

Most of the atheists on here are complete novices. Hollie, on the other hand, can levitate her body two feet off the ground and can curse God in ancient Arabic and in Palogen Hebrew.

A novice atheist?

How does that make sense? Even by your standards of pointlesness, how does that make sense?

When you first start out as an atheist, you know there isn't a God. As you go up the ranks of atheism, you really really really know there is no God.

And then there's the secret handshake, prime parking, low interest house loans, exclusive washrooms, endless mimosas at brunch, and no cover charge to get in the Champagne Room at the gentleman's club.

Dear Steven_R
I know an atheist who is so evolved, he teaches abundance of free grace and forgiveness as natural laws of life and doesn't need God or Jesus to teach those things just like any other Christian. He is perfectly okay with people who do or do not believe in God, either way he's fine, he just doesn't like people disrespecting and bullying each other. He considers himself Atheist and also practices and shares Buddhist practices as part of his peace and justice outreach that includes all others. His main advice is for people to stick to their own groups, and quit interfering with what they think of other groups or others think of them. There is plenty to do within one's own affiliation to make a lot of progress and improvements for oneself others and the next generation. Religion is not necessary, but if you use that, then stick with your group and do the best you can.

What I am more concerned with is not whether one is theist or nontheist
but where people are on the scale of Forgiveness and Unforgiveness,
inclusion or rejection, reconciliation or division, correction or projection.

if people are too busy projecting issues and blame on the next person or group,
does it matter if they do so as a theist or a nontheist?
Sounds to me they are at the same level of development anyway.

People who are forgiving and inclusive of others
tend to be at the top of the evolution scale, whether nontheist like my friend Ray
or theist like my friend Olivia. Both teach spiritual healing by forgiveness.
One is Jewish Christian and one is Gay Atheist and they agree on healing so they support that together.
They don't agree on all issues like homosexuality or whether Jesus is Lord,
but the important universal and unifying factor is Forgiveness and Healing to bring Peace and Justice
by agreeing on Truth.

So that is what I use to assess where I stand with people.

If we are not forgiving each other but stuck in conflict, we are at the bottom.
If we are forgiving of each other and are actively seeking solutions to work on together
we are at the top.

I have some friends who are so far up they don't even worry or struggle
but just take life naturally and do lots of work to further the process.

I still struggle and have conflicts with people so I'm not there yet.
But in spirit, yes I already see that all people should be way up there,
and it isn't based on being theist or nontheist
it is based on how forgiving we are if we float to the top
or if we sink to the bottom because we can't forgive something holding us back.

Thanks!

 

[Blackrook]

Atheism works as a philosophy of life right up to the minute you die.

 

[emilynghiem]

Atheism works as a philosophy of life right up to the minute you die.

Dear Blackrook: Yes and no:
If you are Theist and you do not forgive, those problems carry on after you die.
Same with Buddhist or Atheists.

the real issue is how far evolved we are with Forgiving and Including others in our worldview as equal peers and neighbors to care about uplifting them as part of our own growth.

This applies to theists and nontheists alike.

What you do not forgive holds you back,
where unforgiveness/ill will causes retribution, suffering and hell on earth.

What we forgive brings in good will and brings in spiritual healing, peace and harmony or heaven on earth. This holds true for atheists and theists alike.

God's laws of Nature apply to all people.
so I would not single out the Atheists unless they are trapped in unforgiveness.

By the same token, many Theists are also unforgiving, so the same applies to them!

 

[FactFinder]

Why does faith deserve respect?

Did you ever wonder why faith bothers you so?

 

[Carla_Danger]

An invisible, undetectable, unknown and completely and perfectly uninvolved entity is synonymous with "Nothingness". So why give this nothingness human attributes?

Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work
might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?

Sort of like how ideas or conflicts we are trying to work out,
might take on symbolism in our dreams at night, to express what the problems are,
so we can figure it out. We didn't choose what we dream, but we receive these dreams
and we interpret them to get meaning or insights from them. They came to us in those forms, those symbols.

The people I know that have received divine visions or even visitations
DID NOT CHOOSE THESE
These visions came to them in that format.

I see it as future events that give off such strong energy and impact,
that they transcend time and space, and people can see them like receiving energy signals in advance.
But they aren't always literal (one of my friends does get more literal visions
but these are rare, where the picture in her head matches exactly; most people
it is like dreams and only loosely symbolic and so it requires interpretation and is not literal)

Whether people personify God or Jesus or Angels in human form,
the idea is the same:
Angels are like positive prayers or energy to influence people in a better direction, to lift them up to higher aspirations.
God can be experienced as Love, truth, wisdom, divine understanding or feeling a divine purpose gift or blessing in life.
Jesus can be either Salvation or Justice, some higher sense of connections by conscience to all humanity universally.

These realms of experience, of feeling collective oneness or wholeness with all of humanity,
can be so overwhelming, they come in visions with symbols that people can contain.

Otherwise the feeling and energy is beyond what most people can express.

"Dear Hollie: Did it ever occur to you that this energy, the powers of divine forces at work might have "taken on" human attributes in order to communicate with people?"


Yes, that has occurred to me.

Has it occurred to you that the powers of divine forces may have taken on human attributes and are communicating with people through the likes of Charles Manson, Jim Jones, Ted Kaczynski, etc.?

Why should that be surprising? Read the OT for an object lesson in the evil that gawds perform.

If anything on earth convinced me that the Judeo-Christian gawds had nothing at all to do with the Bibles, it was reading the Bibles themselves. It is interesting mythology, and it has the greatest, most evil villain of all time in it. His name is Jehovah.

(giggle)

Speaking of Charles Manson, he's getting married soon. Must be those divine forces...