Why does the left think the Constitution applies to non-Americans?

[percysunshine]

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Why does the left _________?

A person could go insane answering that one.

 

[brummelben]

So, none of righties are willing to show us where the Constitution says it doesn't apply to non-citizens on US soil.

Not every righty is an intellectual coward ... no, wait, all of them are.

Each of them thinks they are a constitutional expert

 

[Dschrute3]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

 

[Boss]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

Sorry, no it doesn't. I've read extensively on it.

 

[MACAULAY]

It's because the Constitution doesn't say it applies only to citizens. It applies to everyone in the USA.

That is, the lefties actually follow the Constitution, and the righties don't.

And, looking at this thread, the righties here are all very proud of not following the Constitution.

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I enjoyed this.

 

[bendog]

I keep hearing this asinine argument from the left and it drives me nuts. Where in the hell do they get this concept that our Constitution is supposed to apply to everyone in the world and not just American citizens? Over and over, we come up on this issue of constitutionality and they consistently want to apply it to people who aren't subject to it. We cannot enforce our Constitution worldwide so we can't apply it that way. It's really as simple as that.

Then they want to make this silly argument about being "on American soil" ...as if, a radical jihadist could parachute into the country and as soon as his feet hits the ground he has instantaneous constitutional rights! That's not how it works. We are a humane nation who believes in basic human rights for everyone, and so we believe in treating people in accordance with basic human decency but that has nothing to do with constitutional rights. It is only the citizens of the United States who are protected by the Constitution. And guess what else? That's not ALWAYS an absolute!

Many of our constitutional rights have limitations and restrictions. If an American citizen travels to Mexico and returns, they aren't protected by the 4th Amendment against being searched and having property seized. We suspend that right at the border for national security reasons. We've determined that is "reasonable" and so the Amendment doesn't apply. And that's for an American citizen who IS protected by the Constitution!

There is nothing unconstitutional about Trump's executive order on restricting entry into the US. The President has plenary power granted under the Constitution and many presidents before him have used precisely the same plenary power to do the same thing. It's not a "Muslim ban" but guess what else? He's within his authority to make it one if he wants to! There is no restriction on this, the President has plenary power and he can make this effective for any country or ALL countries if he so chooses. He can make it against a specific religion... he can make it against people with red hair! There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits him in any way with this. You may not LIKE it... but he has that authority under the Constitution.

Have you ever attempted to read the 14th amendment to the constitution?

There is some confusion on both sides. Obviously the EO violates the 14th in regards to persons in those countries who have legal status in the US, and Trump's team is already walking that back. Some claim the EO is totally illegal because it singles out Muslims and exempts Christians in those countries. If Trump said we only taking Christian refugees from there PERIOD, there'd be a constitutional problem, but the EO is, at least on it's face, a temporary halt while vetting procedures are reviewed. I'm not sure that is such a constitutional problem.

 

[Boss]

Speaking of confusion, we did the topic yesterday.

Sorry I missed it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So, none of righties are willing to show us where the Constitution says it doesn't apply to non-citizens on US soil.

Not every righty is an intellectual coward ... no, wait, all of them are.

Each of them thinks they are a constitutional expert

Who has nearly full authority to regulate immigration? There is a reason for the correct answer

 

[brummelben]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

 

[Boss]

There is some confusion on both sides. Obviously the EO violates the 14th in regards to persons in those countries who have legal status in the US, and Trump's team is already walking that back. Some claim the EO is totally illegal because it singles out Muslims and exempts Christians in those countries. If Trump said we only taking Christian refugees from there PERIOD, there'd be a constitutional problem, but the EO is, at least on it's face, a temporary halt while vetting procedures are reviewed. I'm not sure that is such a constitutional problem.

Nonsense. The President has plenary power under the Constitution. He can apply it to whomever he pleases. There is no restriction of his plenary power as President.

 

[brummelben]

There is some confusion on both sides. Obviously the EO violates the 14th in regards to persons in those countries who have legal status in the US, and Trump's team is already walking that back. Some claim the EO is totally illegal because it singles out Muslims and exempts Christians in those countries. If Trump said we only taking Christian refugees from there PERIOD, there'd be a constitutional problem, but the EO is, at least on it's face, a temporary halt while vetting procedures are reviewed. I'm not sure that is such a constitutional problem.

Nonsense. The President has plenary power under the Constitution. He can apply it to whomever he pleases. There is no restriction of his plenary power as President.

Are you the resident right wing legal scholar?

 

[Dschrute3]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

Obama got just about his entire agenda through. Obamabots have no right to complain. But regardless, y'all should have probably worked with Trump a bit. You may have gotten some things you wanted by way of compromise. You had nothing to lose. But now you're all done. Trump will push forward without you. Your irrational hate is gonna cost ya bigtime.

 

[imawhosure]

the constitution applies to everyone on our soil....do some reading up on it.

Sorry, no it doesn't. I've read extensively on it.

Oh wait Boss, look at the hot air balloon landing, why terrorists are on it! Now they have our rights, lol.

Or how about---------> Obama rescinded wet foot-dry foot from Cuban refugees. How did that happen if they have rights as soon as they land. (for you leftists, that is what is known as the DRY FOOT part, lol) They are just arguing to argue, I know it, you know it, and most of them know it; so the question is--------->why are we even arguing with people who have no power at all! We do not have to worry about what they think, we only have to worry about what they know, and we KNOW that THEY KNOW, we are correct, lolololol! Just so they feel like they have a little control, they are fighting a legal point they can not win, just because they know this is going to happen for at least 4 years, hehehehehehehehe!

 

[brummelben]

There is some confusion on both sides. Obviously the EO violates the 14th in regards to persons in those countries who have legal status in the US, and Trump's team is already walking that back. Some claim the EO is totally illegal because it singles out Muslims and exempts Christians in those countries. If Trump said we only taking Christian refugees from there PERIOD, there'd be a constitutional problem, but the EO is, at least on it's face, a temporary halt while vetting procedures are reviewed. I'm not sure that is such a constitutional problem.

Nonsense. The President has plenary power under the Constitution. He can apply it to whomever he pleases. There is no restriction of his plenary power as President.

Wouldn't that mean that the President would have absolute right to do anything he wants?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

It's because the Constitution doesn't say it applies only to citizens. It applies to everyone in the USA.

That is, the lefties actually follow the Constitution, and the righties don't.

And, looking at this thread, the righties here are all very proud of not following the Constitution.

It applies to any one on American soil, but non-citizens however do not have the right to vote, to hold a federal job, or run for political office.

 

[jc456]

The left is incredibly confused on the Constitution

well when you don't know it you make up your own stuff.

 

[brummelben]

They're Anti-American Globalists. Most of them do actually hate America. Our previous President was one of them. But beyond that, it's about sabotaging Trump. Anything he proposes will be vehemently opposed by the Left/Democrats. They've already made it clear they won't work with Trump on anything. So Trump's just gotta push forward without them. He has the pen & phone now. He'll get things done with or without the Democrats.

Sounds EXACTLY like what you did to Obama. Isn't payback fun?

It is kinda fun. If the Democrats were smarter, they would have tried to work with him. Who knows? Maybe they could have gotten some of what they wanted through compromise. They had nothing to lose.

But now it's all over. Trump will push on without them. Just like Obama's boasts about not needing the Republicans, Trump doesn't need the Democrats.

Why didn't the Republicans even attempt to work with Obama for 8 years?

Obama got just about his entire agenda through. Obamabots have no right to complain. But regardless, y'all should have probably worked with Trump a bit. You may have gotten some things you wanted by way of compromise. You had nothing to lose. But now you're all done. Trump will push forward without you. Your irrational hate is gonna cost ya bigtime.

Obama got NOTHING through and that includes dozens of judgeships, as well as the SC nominee.

 

[my2¢]

I thought it is like speed limits.

 

[jc456]

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Why does the left _________?

A person could go insane answering that one.

 

[Boss]

Are you the resident right wing legal scholar?

Well, I am a constitutional conservative who has studied the Constitution for about 40 years. But no one needs to be a "legal scholar" to get the drop on a dope like you. About a 3rd grade reading level is really all you need.