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They want you to feel guilty for not eating like they do. I never could understand that.True. We're resisting being beat over the head with it.
Man is a part of the natural world that all the other creatures here are part of.I have no control over how animals are killed or the effect on the workers. I think that in order to change things for the better requires a change in human nature.
God decreased our lifespan after human populations were well established. Retaining long lifespans would have caused catastrophic overpopulation in short order. Actually, we are approaching that condition now.You guys need to get out more. Most of the vegans I know don't do it for health reasons, and don't really try that hard, and they're still healthy. It's really not hard at all!
As for our natural history, well, as you may have noticed reading this thread, I have an entirely different worldview than you do. In the biblical worldview, we all started out as herbivores. And once mankind started eating meat, our lifespan decreased significantly.
Man is a part of the natural world that all the other creatures here are part of.
Noah was given meat after the flood no?
They want you to feel guilty for not eating like they do. I never could understand that.
The natural world is full of obligate carnivores. You can't feed vegetables to lion. It will not survive.
I am glad that your vegan lifestyle works well for you.No, that's not the reason we do this. I can't speak for others, but the reason I speak about this is because the animals need a VOICE. I have always loved animals, even though I was a meat eater, like everyone else for most of my life.
The bible says to be a "voice for the voiceless".... And since most people are simply unaware of how the animal industries work and how horrible and diabolical many of the practices are, we are simply informing people, trying to educate those who have no idea.
I for one wish that someone had shown ME the truth much sooner, because if so, I would have gone vegan years earlier.
Best beef liver I ever had was in the Army. Even guys who didn't like liver at home raved about it.
God didn't give us animals to eat because of the hardness of our hearts. Their flesh is perfectly compatible with our digestive system. Even angels at meat at Abraham's table.No, not exactly. First, you have to understand that before the flood, according to the Bible, the entire world was extremely violent and wicked. Although the Bible doesn't go into detail on this, I believe one of the main reasons was because of the Nephilim, which were giants who were the offspring of fallen angels and human women. The book of Enoch goes into this in detail, and according to the book of Enoch and some other ancient texts, flesh eating started with these violent giants who had an insatiable appetite. So, according to these ancient texts, flesh eating has a demonic origin. It was absolutely NOT God's idea.
As for after the flood, there are different views on this, but one view that I lean towards is that God "gave mankind over" to his selfish desires, because of our hard hearts. If you're not a Christian you might not understand this, but sometimes God "gives people over" to what they want, even if it's bad.
For example: “But my people would not listen to me; Israel would not submit to me. So I gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices” - Psalm 81:11–12
But my point to Woodnutz that I have stated over and over and over on this thread is that just because God allows certain bad things to temporarily happen in this fallen world does not mean it's what He WANTS us to do. What is very clear throughout the Bible is that God wants us to choose MERCY. Sadly, mankind has chosen the exact opposite when it comes to animals.
I didn't like it at home either.
(even back in my meat-eating days, i always thought liver was disgusting. no amount of onions can change that!)
Saying the faint ultrasonic noise is a "scream" is dubious at best.
God didn't give us animals to eat because of the hardness of our hearts. Their flesh is perfectly compatible with our digestive system. Even angels at meat at Abraham's table.
I was raised on itI didn't like it at home either.
Non sequitur.Besides that, Genesis 8:21 contradicts your claim that it wasn't because of our hardness of heart:
"...even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood."
I didn't like it at home either.
We had roast beef, hamburger, liver, ham, and pork. Curiously we had very little chicken at home, but I always ordered it when we went out to eat. Of course, we always had turkey at Thanksgiving.I was raised on it
Chicken liver, yum.That's ok, more for me. I love liver, beef liver, chicken liver, and duck as well.
