Why is simple arithmetic so hard for many people???

[Sunshine]

And for that 5 million, the entire country will be paying triple what they are now for health insurance. Big Pharms will benefit as will the government. There are so damn many new taxes hidden in the health care bill, it's sickening. And they will have real time access to our money- all of our money, including savings, retirement and checking. And they do have the ability to take money, though we are supposed to trust them not to. Yea, right.

Small businesses will get hit the hardest with the new taxes. More jobs are going away. Obamacare is nothing but a job killing bill that transfers a lot more power over the people to government. It's not about health care and never was.

We can always bury it in the back yard. Interest rates would be roughly equal.

 

[Erand7899]

This whole thread is a huge dispatch from the bubble created by the paranoid fringe on the right.

I'm sorry to have to say that, but it's true.

"Tort Reform" as it's called by politicians accounts for less than 1% of the entire budget. The BIG BOLD NUMBERS on what medical liability reform costs in the OP's post are made up, probably from a retarded right-wing blog somewhere that invents its own facts, just like the sites that said Obama took 34 battleships on his trip to Indonesia and that the trip costed a few hundred billion dollars.

The CBO and other organizations all show that Obamacare has helped to slow the growth of healthcare spending, thus slowing the growth of our debt.

This fiscal year alone we're going to have a yearly deficit that is now less than half of what it was 5 years ago.

We can actually see and measure these things out here in the real world.

When someone tells you that Obamacare is "job killing", you simply must interrupt that person and say, "No, it is not".

Obamacare is here to stay, and a good deal of it is actually pretty common sense stuff. It's not perfect, but it's actually better than going back to what we had 5 years ago.

And it's not even socialist health care. All the crazies do is tell us that, and then we look into it and we see how distorted that claim is. It's still a private system, except the government is getting the middle man between you and your healthcare--your insurance company--to actually have to spend some money treating you retarded people.

That old expression still rings true, "If you want to live like a Republican, vote for a Democrat".

You have the liberal/socialist talking points down pat, but you are so wrong as to make one wonder if you ever look at the news. Even the liberal news. Insurance costs are going up rapidly, for just about everyone covered by insurance. Co pays are up, and a whole lot of costs are no longer covered, or just minimally covered.

However, the elephant that you cannot see, due to your partisan blindness, is the fact that most of Obamacare has not even been written yet. The regulations that have been written, form a stack seven and a half feet high, and few people have read them. So, it is obvious that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

No one gets much health care, regardless of how much we pay for insurance, if we do not have doctors to provide that care. Has that thought ever crossed your partisan little mind? Older doctors are going to retire, and younger doctors are going out of private practice and into working for hospitals and other large medical entities. They do not have the ability to go through the thousands of pages of regulations and ensure they stay on the legal side of this idiotic law.

 

[francoHFW]

This OP has been put up daily by this crank and has been discredited hundreds of times, dupes. Since Pubs refuse a good SS/ID Work card, the 10 million illegals COUNT- they pay taxes and own homes- the rest of the numbers are BS.

Sorry about the Pub Advantage giveaway- it's part of no plan for the future, including Ryan's, dupes.

 

[healthmyths]

This OP has been put up daily by this crank and has been discredited hundreds of times, dupes. Since Pubs refuse a good SS/ID Work card, the 10 million illegals COUNT- they pay taxes and own homes- the rest of the numbers are BS.

Sorry about the Pub Advantage giveaway- it's part of no plan for the future, including Ryan's, dupes.

Obama said 46 million 'uninsured".

10 million are NOT citizens!
And that means the statement Obama said:We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children," is a LIE!
A nation means legal citizens!
Source: Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2009 - Income & Wealth - Newsroom - U.S. Census Bureau
That leaves 36 million!
He LIED when he said "UNINSURED"
14 million are ALREADY eligible they haven't enrolled and since 2007 10 million have enrolled..IN MEDICAID!! DUMMY!
SOURCE: Read the FACTS Source: http://coverageforall.org/pdf/BC-BS_Uninsured-America.pdf

That leaves 22 million!

Then the most egregious claim of "UNINSURED" is about people that DON'T NEED or want to be insured!
18 million people under 34 making over $50,000.
They spend their own money $1,000 a year for health services and would be wasting their money on their employers' health insurance!
THEY DON'T WANT AND DON'T NEED IT!!!
Source: CRISIS OF THE UNINSURED: 2009
That leave 4 million truly wanting people that need insurance!

And it was this GROSS MISLEADING of Americans to think there are 46 million uninsured.
And because of Obamacare THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE UNINSURED!
So instead of solving the problem HE MADE IT WORSE!!


McKinsey & Company commissioned a survey of 1,329 U.S. private sector employers to measure their attitudes about healthcare reform concluded that 30% of all companies would stop providing health coverage once Obamacare kicked in in 2014.
Source: http://www.mckinsey.com/features/us_employer_healthcare_survey"]http://www.mckinsey.com/features/us_employer_healthcare_survey

BIG OBAMA LIE:"If you like your health-care plan, you keep your health-care plan. Nobody is going to force you to leave your health-care plan. If you like your doctor, you keep seeing your doctor. I don't want government bureaucrats meddling in your health care.

BIG OBAMA LIE:
Although President Obama repeatedly claimed that health-insurance premiums for a family would be $2,500 lower by the end of his first term, they are actually about $3,000 higher—a spread of about $5,500 per family.
SOURCE: Matthews and Litow: ObamaCare's Health-Insurance Sticker Shock - WSJ.com

THAT ENOUGH documentation for you???
But this is NOT for idiots like you! It is for the growing number of Americans that are finding out they've been LIED to constantly by Obama!
LIE there never were 46 million uninsured !
LIE YOU CAN'T keep your plan because your employers are going to drop BECAUSE of Obamacare!
LIE YOU won't see a $2,500 reduction but a $3,000 INCREASE in your premiums..
ALL because of Obamacare's fundamentally stupid simple inability to subtract:
10 million not citizens.. 14 million already covered by Medicaid.. 18 million that spend less then their employers insurance and didn't want health insurance..
LEAVES 4 million of the supposedly 46 million!!!
BIG BIG LIE!!!

 

[francoHFW]

That's 200 times with this BS. Sorry about your free toothpaste but get a life...

 

[francoHFW]

Obama never said $2500 less by the end of his first term, patently ridiculous- O-care doesn't START till next year. He gave NO TIME frame at all!

All your facts are PURE Pub propaganda, and by now you're no longer a dupe, but a bald faced liar and propagandist yourself. Enjoy Hell, freak...lol

 

[healthmyths]

Obama never said $2500 less by the end of his first term, patently ridiculous- O-care doesn't START till next year. He gave NO TIME frame at all!

All your facts are PURE Pub propaganda, and by now you're no longer a dupe, but a bald faced liar and propagandist yourself. Enjoy Hell, freak...lol

August 6, 2008
OBAMA: A system where we're gonna work with your employers to lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.

October 4, 2008
OBAMA: We will start by reducing premiums by as much as $2,500 per family.

September 6, 2008
OBAMA: Here's what change is saying to people who already have health insurance and the employers who are providing it: We'll work to lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.

May 3, 2008
OBAMA: I also have a health care plan that would save the average family $2,500 on their premiums.

January 3, 2008
OBAMA: And if you already have health care, then we're gonna reduce costs an average of $2,500 per family on premiums.

October 7, 2008
OBAMA: We're gonna work with your employer to lower the costs of your premiums by up to $2,500 a year.

Campaign Ad
OBAMA: And we'll cut the costs of a typical family's health care by up to $2,500 per year.

March 14, 2008
OBAMA: And if you've got health care, we're gonna work with your employer to lower your premiums by $2,500 per family per year.

February 23, 2008
OBAMA: And we will lower premiums for the typical family by $2,500 a year.

June 17, 2007
OBAMA: And cut the cost of health care by up to $2,500 per family.

August 17, 2008
OBAMA: And if you already have health care, then we're gonna work with your employer to lower your premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.

Campaign Ad
EVAN BAYH: Barack's policies will provide health care cost reductions of about $2,500 for the typical family.

June 27, 2008
OBAMA: It's time to bring down the typical family's premium by about $2,500. And it's time to bring down the costs for the entire country.

February 19, 2008
OBAMA: And if you already have health insurance, we will lower your premiums by $2,500 per family per year.

April 22, 2008
OBAMA: We're gonna work with your employer through a catastrophic reinsurance plan to lower premiums by $2,500 per family per year.

October 15, 2008
OBAMA: The only thing we're gonna try to do is lower costs so that those cost savings are passed on to you. And we estimate we can cut the average family's premium by about $2,500 a year.

March 1, 2008
OBAMA: We'll work with your employer to lower your premiums by $2,500 per family per year.

Campaign Ad
NARRATOR: Barack Obama will provide rural America with affordable health care, and save the typical American family $2,500 a year.

May 30, 2008
OBAMA: And reduces every family's premiums by as much as $2,500.

April 20, 2008
OBAMA: If your employer does offer you health care, then we're gonna work with your employer to lower premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.

March 13, 2008
OBAMA: And cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2,500 per family per year.
FREEDOM EDEN: Obama: 20 Promises for $2,500

 

[francoHFW]

Never said by when, liar. Shove your BS propaganda.

 

[healthmyths]

In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=3&

 

[healthmyths]

Never said by when, liar. Shove your BS propaganda.

Cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year

"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
Sources: Speech, "A Politics of Conscience," June 23, 2007

"I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2,500 a year." - Hartford, Conn., June 23, 2007

PolitiFact | The Obameter: Cut the cost of a typical family's health insurance premium by up to $2,500 a year

 

[francoHFW]

No connect, liar lol. Typical Pubcrappe, like your OP. Relax fer chrissake. Also the only thing that says anyone will lose their doctor, etc etc. The WSJ is also a Murdoch propaganda rag, editorially.

 

[healthmyths]

No connect, liar lol. Typical Pubcrappe, like your OP. Relax fer chrissake. Also the only thing that says anyone will lose their doctor, etc etc. The WSJ is also a Murdoch propaganda rag, editorially.

"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
Sources: Speech, "A Politics of Conscience," June 23, 2007

"I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2,500 a year." - Hartford, Conn., June 23, 2007


Maybe you should see an eye doctor but Obama clearly states:" end of first term.. cutting the cost by $2,500"

Denial is such a bitch!!!

 

[healthmyths]

Obama stated:
"I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premium by up to $2,500 a year."
Sources: Speech, "A Politics of Conscience," June 23, 2007

"I have made a solemn pledge that I will sign a universal health care bill into law by the end of my first term as president that will cover every American and cut the cost of a typical family's premiums by up to $2,500 a year." - Hartford, Conn., June 23, 2007

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=3