Why Is The GOP Senate So Afraid To Call Witnesses??

[RealDave]

Why is Trump fighting witnesses that will clear him?

He is not

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

You have things half assed backwards, dave.

Its up to the Libs to prove Trump guilty, not for Trump to prove himself innocent. And even it was, there is nothing that Mr. Bolton could say that would convince extreme doofuses like Pocahontas and Crazy Bernie that Trump is a tremendous President who is worthy to rule over the nation he loves.

he could have prevented the charges, the articles of impeachment, from even happening,

if he was innocent he would have shown something, anything at all that would have discredited the accusations.... like any normal human being, innocent of accusations, would have presented to the cops before they were charged... that could exculpate them, before those charges are drawn.

Makes ya wonder, did Trump want this impeachment for some perverted political gain?

OR, is he really not as innocent and perfect, as he claims to you Trumpettes?


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The R's do not want a trial, where the prosecution has to provide their case, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty.

There is no other way to view it.

Ya'll seem to want a SHAM trial, where the FIX IS IN, before prosecutors even present their witnesses and evidence.

STFU you stupid Obamanzee. Your utter ignorance of how things work isn’t astounding it’s expected. See stupid, YOU have to prove guilt. Trump does not have to prove his innocence no matter how many times you repeat your Dim masters talking points. May you be miserable with 5 more years of Trump.

Nice racial slur you fucking racist piece of shit.

 

[RealDave]

Subpoenas can be fought in court, that's all that's happening.

Obama did the same thing, ditto with clinton and bush. Pick up those guys too, if its really a "high crime".

Why is Trump fighting witnesses that will clear him?

He is not

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

He doesn’t need to be cleared of a non crime. The transcript already cleared him.

That's exactly where the libs took a misstep. They never thought that Trump would have the cojones to reveal the official transcript. And the Trumpster did so immediately.

Trump probably cleared this with Zelensky in advance , as he knew what the lib plan was.

What transcript? We only have the White House version of a summary.

 

[RealDave]

How the fuck is a recession in 2008 an Obama recession. He didn't take office until 2009.

You people are so fucking stupid that it makes me sick.

Obama took office in January 2009, and is clearly responsible for everything from that date.

But even before than, businesses saw the upcoming Obama Regime as bad news, and started to cut back as soon as they saw his victory was inevitable during the summer of 2008.

LOLOLOL

So Obama is responsible for the recession that started 14 months before he became president?

Dud ya think the forum really needed more evidence you're a brain-dead cultist?

The ONLY thing that Barack Obama is "responsible" for is his choices once he became President! He "chose" to pursue the Affordable Care Act as his primary legislative goal despite being told that it would retard job creation at a time when millions of Americans were unemployed and desperate for work! He and you progressives "chose" to propose Cap & Trade legislation that would have placed additional costs on American businesses! Barack Obama and the Democratically led Congress "chose" to burden American businesses with record numbers of new regulations that again increased costs on American businesses! Barack Obama "chose" to shut down all oil exploration in the Gulf following a deep water leak...even shallow water drilling operations that had impeccable safety records! Barack Obama "chose" to sign the Paris Accord which once again would have burdened American businesses with costs that it's competitors would not have had to bear! Barack Obama "chose" to reorder who got paid and who didn't in the auto bailouts so as to reward his supporters in the UAW...screwing the other creditors who had invested their capital! ALL of these things were a deterrent to job creation.

Barack Obama isn't responsible for what took place BEFORE he became President but he sure as hell is responsible for the worst recovery from a recession since The Great Depression! THAT is his economic legacy...not the sham graphs that you post to hide how badly his choices affected job creation in this country!

Since you can't remember shit, the pursuit of the ACA was after the passing of the stimulus act. So Congress already had dobe what they could to help the economy & then went to work on the ACA.

The Deepwater Horizon showed that oil companies were unprepaid and lied about their abilities to deal with such situations.

I realize you Trumpettes hate the environment as much as you hate your own children, but we need to protect our air & water & fight climate change.

I love it how you assfucks take actions to save our auto industry and the efforts to help our police, fire, & education as helping unions.

And the worst recession in 80 years would hasve the "worst" recovery in 80 year"giving it bscvk". Whatg was he giving bsvk ?s, Any fucking idiot knows that.

You, by voting Republican, are to blame to the Bush recession. Youy votred for the people that took us from a balanced budget to the worst recession in 80 years.

Quit blaming those tasked to fix it.

Oh, Dave! Anyone who thinks Bill Clinton ever HAD a balanced budget is so ignorant that it's laughable!

Funny chit. You keep proving how fucking stupid you are every day.

Your hero GW Bush ran on "giving it back". What was he giving back?

 

[HenryBHough]

Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang: Dow soars 257 points, nears lifetime high

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump. The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.Bush’s last four years in office:

December 2005: 4.9%
December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office:
December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

1. Ended the 2008 Recession
In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July 2009 when GDP growth turned positive.

2. Modernized the Auto Industry
Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving 3 million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel-efficient and much more globally competitive.


3. Reformed Health Care
On March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionized healthcare, in part by creating a program that offered insurance to people with pre-existing conditions who had been shut out of the insurance system. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95% of the population on health insurance by mandate.


The greater number of people receiving preventive care reduced the number of expensive visits to emergency rooms, slowing the rise of health care costs for everyone. That's because Medicaid reimburses hospitals for emergency care.


Why did health care need to be reformed? Rising costs threatened to take over the entire federal budget. It was also the no.1 cause of bankruptcies. In return, Americans received the worst health care in the developed world. It is the only one of 33 developed countries without universal health care.


President Donald Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. As of November 2019, he has failed to pass any legislation. But by eliminating the mandate and reinstituting "skinny plans" that don't cover a slew of expensive illnesses, he is weakening Obamacare even without formal repeal.


4. Regulated the Big Banks
In July 2010, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated hedge funds and banks that became too big to fail. The "Volcker Rule" banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.

5. 2010 Tax Cuts
In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an $858 billion tax cut. It had three main components: a $350 billion extension of the Bush tax cuts, a $56 billion extension of unemployment benefits, and a $120 billion reduction in workers' payroll taxes. Businesses received $140 billion in tax cuts for capital improvements and $80 billion in research and development tax credits. The estate tax was exempted (up to $5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.

6. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards
On August 28, 2012, the Obama administration announced new fuel efficiency standards. He required cars and light trucks obtain 54.5 MPG by 2025.3 That would reduce oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, saving drivers $1.7 trillion. It would also reduce the damage of climate change by lowering greenhouse gases.


The Trump administration promised to roll back these standards.4 But California requires zero-emissions vehicles. Twelve other states adopted the mandate. Major automakers must build cars to meet stricter standards in the European Union and Asia.

Do I really need to go on.

In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust rate of 3.9% by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

OK, so you loved Obama so much that you rushed out and bought a Government Motors car. It sits in the driveway on those days you just cant make it work (like a Democrat Congresscritter) but that's endearing to you.

Got it.

 

[RealDave]

Precedent has already been set on this, everyone who is subpoenaed, HAS TO SHOW UP.

Trumps order to not show up, is OBSTRUCTION of congress.

Subpoenas can be fought in court, that's all that's happening.

Obama did the same thing, ditto with clinton and bush. Pick up those guys too, if its really a "high crime".

Why is Trump fighting witnesses that will clear him?

He is not

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

You have things half assed backwards, dave.

Its up to the Libs to prove Trump guilty, not for Trump to prove himself innocent. And even it was, there is nothing that Mr. Bolton could say that would convince extreme doofuses like Pocahontas and Crazy Bernie that Trump is a tremendous President who is worthy to rule over the nation he loves.

Nope.

The Democrats proved their case.

If your fast assed orange piece of shit is innocent, he can present it or we should judge based ion the testimony we have heard.

Your choice.

 

[RealDave]

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yall -- even tho both you and he knows all of yall are full of shit...

The problem with your witnesses is that they have gave their opinions only.

Their answers about any wrongdoing by the president have been in reference to the same question: in your opinion, who will benefit from this and that?

In their opinion they think the president did something wrong.

Well, I think he did not.

Now is their opinion against mine. Tell me about it.

You want to go forward with an impeachment case that in reality is not a valid case because is just accusations made based on opinions.

They heard shit. That is not a fucking opinion.

 

[Oldstyle]

Obama took office in January 2009, and is clearly responsible for everything from that date.

But even before than, businesses saw the upcoming Obama Regime as bad news, and started to cut back as soon as they saw his victory was inevitable during the summer of 2008.

LOLOLOL

So Obama is responsible for the recession that started 14 months before he became president?

Dud ya think the forum really needed more evidence you're a brain-dead cultist?

The ONLY thing that Barack Obama is "responsible" for is his choices once he became President! He "chose" to pursue the Affordable Care Act as his primary legislative goal despite being told that it would retard job creation at a time when millions of Americans were unemployed and desperate for work! He and you progressives "chose" to propose Cap & Trade legislation that would have placed additional costs on American businesses! Barack Obama and the Democratically led Congress "chose" to burden American businesses with record numbers of new regulations that again increased costs on American businesses! Barack Obama "chose" to shut down all oil exploration in the Gulf following a deep water leak...even shallow water drilling operations that had impeccable safety records! Barack Obama "chose" to sign the Paris Accord which once again would have burdened American businesses with costs that it's competitors would not have had to bear! Barack Obama "chose" to reorder who got paid and who didn't in the auto bailouts so as to reward his supporters in the UAW...screwing the other creditors who had invested their capital! ALL of these things were a deterrent to job creation.

Barack Obama isn't responsible for what took place BEFORE he became President but he sure as hell is responsible for the worst recovery from a recession since The Great Depression! THAT is his economic legacy...not the sham graphs that you post to hide how badly his choices affected job creation in this country!

Since you can't remember shit, the pursuit of the ACA was after the passing of the stimulus act. So Congress already had dobe what they could to help the economy & then went to work on the ACA.

The Deepwater Horizon showed that oil companies were unprepaid and lied about their abilities to deal with such situations.

I realize you Trumpettes hate the environment as much as you hate your own children, but we need to protect our air & water & fight climate change.

I love it how you assfucks take actions to save our auto industry and the efforts to help our police, fire, & education as helping unions.

And the worst recession in 80 years would hasve the "worst" recovery in 80 years, Any fucking idiot knows that.

You, by voting Republican, are to blame to the Bush recession. Youy votred for the people that took us from a balanced budget to the worst recession in 80 years.

Quit blaming those tasked to fix it.

Oh, Dave! Anyone who thinks Bill Clinton ever HAD a balanced budget is so ignorant that it's laughable!

He had a balanced BUDGET, anyone who thinks otherwise, has no idea how the BUDGET is calculated.

The BUDGET was balanced, because SS surplus funds are part of it, and have been part of the budget, over a half century.

The budget, is not the national debt.

A budget can be balanced, while still adding to the national debt the surplus SS funds used in the budget that helped in balancing the budget.

You too, Care? Clinton did not have a balanced budget. I'm sorry but it never happened.

 

[RealDave]

Why is Trump fighting witnesses that will clear him?

He is not

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

You have things half assed backwards, dave.

Its up to the Libs to prove Trump guilty, not for Trump to prove himself innocent. And even it was, there is nothing that Mr. Bolton could say that would convince extreme doofuses like Pocahontas and Crazy Bernie that Trump is a tremendous President who is worthy to rule over the nation he loves.

he could have prevented the charges, the articles of impeachment, from even happening,

if he was innocent he would have shown something, anything at all that would have discredited the accusations....

TOO FUNNY. If Trump were innocent, he would have PROVED it.

1. People in a free society don't prove their innocence, that is already assumed. It is up to the ACCUSER to prove your guilt.
2. Since the first charge is based purely on an assumption made from circumstances rather than any hard evidence and the second charge is based solely on his exercising his legal rights, there is no proof on this planet that would have dissuaded the Democrats in the House from impeaching Trump. I mean, seriously, they've been showing their hand for THREE FUCKING YEARS. This was the best they finally could come up with before it got too close to the election hoping it would stick long enough to confuse enough voters to cost him the election, nothing more. The charges are tissue paper.

Don't blow smoky up our dresses, Honey.

So, you get questioned by the police because they have evidence that you robbed a liquor store last night, you have an alibi that you were in a different city, you would say nothing.

 

[Oldstyle]

Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang: Dow soars 257 points, nears lifetime high

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

 

[RealDave]

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

The Stimulus lowered the une,ployment rate between 1/2% and 1 1/2% & shortened the lerngth of the recession.

So, you think by allowing more pollution, unsafe work places & food supply created all these supposed jobs?

Why aren't you taking about the 1.5 trillion he borrowed?

 

[Oldstyle]

Wall Street welcomes Trump with a bang: Dow soars 257 points, nears lifetime high

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump. The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.Bush’s last four years in office:

December 2005: 4.9%
December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office:
December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

1. Ended the 2008 Recession
In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July 2009 when GDP growth turned positive.

2. Modernized the Auto Industry
Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving 3 million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel-efficient and much more globally competitive.


3. Reformed Health Care
On March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionized healthcare, in part by creating a program that offered insurance to people with pre-existing conditions who had been shut out of the insurance system. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95% of the population on health insurance by mandate.


The greater number of people receiving preventive care reduced the number of expensive visits to emergency rooms, slowing the rise of health care costs for everyone. That's because Medicaid reimburses hospitals for emergency care.


Why did health care need to be reformed? Rising costs threatened to take over the entire federal budget. It was also the no.1 cause of bankruptcies. In return, Americans received the worst health care in the developed world. It is the only one of 33 developed countries without universal health care.


President Donald Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. As of November 2019, he has failed to pass any legislation. But by eliminating the mandate and reinstituting "skinny plans" that don't cover a slew of expensive illnesses, he is weakening Obamacare even without formal repeal.


4. Regulated the Big Banks
In July 2010, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated hedge funds and banks that became too big to fail. The "Volcker Rule" banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.

5. 2010 Tax Cuts
In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an $858 billion tax cut. It had three main components: a $350 billion extension of the Bush tax cuts, a $56 billion extension of unemployment benefits, and a $120 billion reduction in workers' payroll taxes. Businesses received $140 billion in tax cuts for capital improvements and $80 billion in research and development tax credits. The estate tax was exempted (up to $5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.

6. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards
On August 28, 2012, the Obama administration announced new fuel efficiency standards. He required cars and light trucks obtain 54.5 MPG by 2025.3 That would reduce oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, saving drivers $1.7 trillion. It would also reduce the damage of climate change by lowering greenhouse gases.


The Trump administration promised to roll back these standards.4 But California requires zero-emissions vehicles. Twelve other states adopted the mandate. Major automakers must build cars to meet stricter standards in the European Union and Asia.

Do I really need to go on.

In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust rate of 3.9% by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

Yes, technically the recession ended when there was a slight amount of growth in 2009 but in reality it was an economic downturn that lingered on and on because of Barack Obama's total lack of understanding of what it took to create jobs and grow an economy.

Obama's bailout of the auto industry sent a signal to any prospective investors in American businesses that the rule of law that made the US a good place to invest was no longer a given. The Obama Administration's decision to reorder which creditors got paid so they could reward their supporters in the UAW sent a message to those with capital to invest that they could no longer count on US law to protect their investment.

The Affordable Care Act didn't help create jobs. It was the source of uncertainty that impeded the creation of jobs.

The tax cuts of 2010 weren't something Obama wanted. He was forced to make them by Democratic moderates and the GOP. Claiming THAT is an example of an Obama economic policy is laughable!

Only a clueless liberal thinks that enforcing higher fuel efficiency creates jobs.

 

[Oldstyle]

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

The Stimulus lowered the une,ployment rate between 1/2% and 1 1/2% & shortened the lerngth of the recession.

So, you think by allowing more pollution, unsafe work places & food supply created all these supposed jobs?

Why aren't you taking about the 1.5 trillion he borrowed?

The Stimulus cost US taxpayers a trillion dollars. Unemployment went up after the Stimulus was employed. It didn't start to come down until the Democrats lost the House and could no longer implement their progressive agenda. Only THEN was it safe for private capital to come out of hiding and start investing again!

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump. The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.Bush’s last four years in office:

December 2005: 4.9%
December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office:
December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

1. Ended the 2008 Recession
In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July 2009 when GDP growth turned positive.

2. Modernized the Auto Industry
Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving 3 million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel-efficient and much more globally competitive.


3. Reformed Health Care
On March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionized healthcare, in part by creating a program that offered insurance to people with pre-existing conditions who had been shut out of the insurance system. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95% of the population on health insurance by mandate.


The greater number of people receiving preventive care reduced the number of expensive visits to emergency rooms, slowing the rise of health care costs for everyone. That's because Medicaid reimburses hospitals for emergency care.


Why did health care need to be reformed? Rising costs threatened to take over the entire federal budget. It was also the no.1 cause of bankruptcies. In return, Americans received the worst health care in the developed world. It is the only one of 33 developed countries without universal health care.


President Donald Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. As of November 2019, he has failed to pass any legislation. But by eliminating the mandate and reinstituting "skinny plans" that don't cover a slew of expensive illnesses, he is weakening Obamacare even without formal repeal.


4. Regulated the Big Banks
In July 2010, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated hedge funds and banks that became too big to fail. The "Volcker Rule" banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.

5. 2010 Tax Cuts
In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an $858 billion tax cut. It had three main components: a $350 billion extension of the Bush tax cuts, a $56 billion extension of unemployment benefits, and a $120 billion reduction in workers' payroll taxes. Businesses received $140 billion in tax cuts for capital improvements and $80 billion in research and development tax credits. The estate tax was exempted (up to $5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.

6. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards
On August 28, 2012, the Obama administration announced new fuel efficiency standards. He required cars and light trucks obtain 54.5 MPG by 2025.3 That would reduce oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, saving drivers $1.7 trillion. It would also reduce the damage of climate change by lowering greenhouse gases.


The Trump administration promised to roll back these standards.4 But California requires zero-emissions vehicles. Twelve other states adopted the mandate. Major automakers must build cars to meet stricter standards in the European Union and Asia.

Do I really need to go on.

In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust rate of 3.9% by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

OK, so you loved Obama so much that you rushed out and bought a Government Motors car. It sits in the driveway on those days you just cant make it work (like a Democrat Congresscritter) but that's endearing to you.

Got it.

I thought Trump Humpers say, "buy American."

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

Wow did you not read my last post, these economic trends that you pat Trump on the back for today started under Pres. Obama. I know that is hard for a Trump Humper to admit.

 

[Oldstyle]

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

Wow did you not read my last post, these economic trends that you pat Trump on the back for today started under Pres. Obama. I know that is hard for a Trump Humper to admit.

I've never denied that the growth of the American economy started under Barack Obama...I simply pointed out that his economic policies not only had little to do with that growth...they generally discouraged it. The main driver of the economy during the Obama years was an energy boom...an energy boom that his administration did everything they could to prevent from happening.

 

[lantern2814]

He is not

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

You have things half assed backwards, dave.

Its up to the Libs to prove Trump guilty, not for Trump to prove himself innocent. And even it was, there is nothing that Mr. Bolton could say that would convince extreme doofuses like Pocahontas and Crazy Bernie that Trump is a tremendous President who is worthy to rule over the nation he loves.

he could have prevented the charges, the articles of impeachment, from even happening,

if he was innocent he would have shown something, anything at all that would have discredited the accusations.... like any normal human being, innocent of accusations, would have presented to the cops before they were charged... that could exculpate them, before those charges are drawn.

Makes ya wonder, did Trump want this impeachment for some perverted political gain?

OR, is he really not as innocent and perfect, as he claims to you Trumpettes?


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The R's do not want a trial, where the prosecution has to provide their case, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty.

There is no other way to view it.

Ya'll seem to want a SHAM trial, where the FIX IS IN, before prosecutors even present their witnesses and evidence.

STFU you stupid Obamanzee. Your utter ignorance of how things work isn’t astounding it’s expected. See stupid, YOU have to prove guilt. Trump does not have to prove his innocence no matter how many times you repeat your Dim masters talking points. May you be miserable with 5 more years of Trump.

Nice racial slur you fucking racist piece of shit.

Fuck you you uneducated, racist, illiterate Obamanzee. That’s a statements on your lack of intelligence and blind loyalty to the worst president of all time. But you can call Trump supporters Trumpanzees and that’s okay. GFY you hypocritical loser.

 

[RealDave]

So none of the people who he denied to testify can clear him? Further proof of guilt.

You have things half assed backwards, dave.

Its up to the Libs to prove Trump guilty, not for Trump to prove himself innocent. And even it was, there is nothing that Mr. Bolton could say that would convince extreme doofuses like Pocahontas and Crazy Bernie that Trump is a tremendous President who is worthy to rule over the nation he loves.

he could have prevented the charges, the articles of impeachment, from even happening,

if he was innocent he would have shown something, anything at all that would have discredited the accusations.... like any normal human being, innocent of accusations, would have presented to the cops before they were charged... that could exculpate them, before those charges are drawn.

Makes ya wonder, did Trump want this impeachment for some perverted political gain?

OR, is he really not as innocent and perfect, as he claims to you Trumpettes?


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The R's do not want a trial, where the prosecution has to provide their case, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the defendant is guilty.

There is no other way to view it.

Ya'll seem to want a SHAM trial, where the FIX IS IN, before prosecutors even present their witnesses and evidence.

STFU you stupid Obamanzee. Your utter ignorance of how things work isn’t astounding it’s expected. See stupid, YOU have to prove guilt. Trump does not have to prove his innocence no matter how many times you repeat your Dim masters talking points. May you be miserable with 5 more years of Trump.

Nice racial slur you fucking racist piece of shit.

Fuck you you uneducated, racist, illiterate Obamanzee. That’s a statements on your lack of intelligence and blind loyalty to the worst president of all time. But you can call Trump supporters Trumpanzees and that’s okay. GFY you hypocritical loser.

Racist fuck.

There is NOTHING more disgusting & ignorant than a racist piece of shit like you.

Last I looked, Trump was orange. Referring to an orange person as a chimpanzee is not a racial slur.

 

[RealDave]

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

Wow did you not read my last post, these economic trends that you pat Trump on the back for today started under Pres. Obama. I know that is hard for a Trump Humper to admit.

I've never denied that the growth of the American economy started under Barack Obama...I simply pointed out that his economic policies not only had little to do with that growth...they generally discouraged it. The main driver of the economy during the Obama years was an energy boom...an energy boom that his administration did everything they could to prevent from happening.

The oil companies did it to themselves with the Gulf disastrous spill.

Obama proved that oil companies could actually prosper without trashing federal land and following regulations.

Trump will return us to more more spills & more pollution for nothing.

 

[RealDave]

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The stimulus bill helped the economy go back to growing, creating jobs.

Wht did your fat ass orange buddy do? Besides borrow 1.5 trillion to pump up his house of cards economy.

The Stimulus spent nearly a trillion tax dollars and created so few jobs that you progressives had to use "jobs created or saved" to hide how few they DID create!

What did Trump do? He cut frivolous regulations. He let businesses know that they were no longer the enemy of the Federal Government.

The Stimulus lowered the une,ployment rate between 1/2% and 1 1/2% & shortened the lerngth of the recession.

So, you think by allowing more pollution, unsafe work places & food supply created all these supposed jobs?

Why aren't you taking about the 1.5 trillion he borrowed?

The Stimulus cost US taxpayers a trillion dollars. Unemployment went up after the Stimulus was employed. It didn't start to come down until the Democrats lost the House and could no longer implement their progressive agenda. Only THEN was it safe for private capital to come out of hiding and start investing again!

Unemployment was on the way up/. That is why we needed the stimulus you stupid shit.

Without it, unemployment could have surpassed 11% & the recession lasted a lot longer.

The CBO said the stimulus did was was intended.

 

[RealDave]

Um, the stock market is not an economic indicator.

Ok, what about record low unemployment? Is that an "economic indicator?"

You mean the record low unemployment that started under Pres. Obama.

What about record wage growth? Is that an "economic indicator?"

Which jobs are these record wage growths growing under.

What about record housing sales, is that an "economic indicator?"

When did these record home sales start?

Did you want to take a crack at telling us all what economic policies of Barack Obama's it was that caused unemployment to go down?

The unemployment rate shows pretty much the same progression from President Obama to President Trump. The unemployment rate started to climb the last two years of President Bush’s second term and substantially in Obama’s first year as the Great Recession that he had inherited was having a huge impact.Bush’s last four years in office:

December 2005: 4.9%
December 2006: 4.4%, decreased 0.5%
December 2007: 5.0%, increased 0.6%
December 2008: 7.3%, increased 2.3%

Obama’s time in office:
December 2009: 9.9%, increased 2.6%(teeth of the recession)
December 2010: 9.3%, decreased 0.6%
December 2011: 8.5%, decreased 0.8%
December 2012: 7.9%, decreased 0.6%
December 2013: 6.7%, decreased 1.2%
December 2014: 5.6%, decreased 1.1%
December 2015: 5.0%, decreased 0.6%
December 2016: 4.7%, decreased 0.3%

Trump’s through September:

December 2017: 4.1%, decreased 0.6%
September 2018: 3.7%, decreased 0.4%

1. Ended the 2008 Recession
In February 2009, Congress approved Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. It cut taxes, extended unemployment benefits, and funded public works projects. The recession ended in July 2009 when GDP growth turned positive.

2. Modernized the Auto Industry
Obama bailed out the U.S. auto industry on March 30, 2009. The federal government took over General Motors and Chrysler, saving 3 million jobs. It forced the companies to become more fuel-efficient and much more globally competitive.


3. Reformed Health Care
On March 23, 2010, the Affordable Care Act revolutionized healthcare, in part by creating a program that offered insurance to people with pre-existing conditions who had been shut out of the insurance system. By 2014, the economy benefited from having 95% of the population on health insurance by mandate.


The greater number of people receiving preventive care reduced the number of expensive visits to emergency rooms, slowing the rise of health care costs for everyone. That's because Medicaid reimburses hospitals for emergency care.


Why did health care need to be reformed? Rising costs threatened to take over the entire federal budget. It was also the no.1 cause of bankruptcies. In return, Americans received the worst health care in the developed world. It is the only one of 33 developed countries without universal health care.


President Donald Trump promised to "repeal and replace" Obamacare. As of November 2019, he has failed to pass any legislation. But by eliminating the mandate and reinstituting "skinny plans" that don't cover a slew of expensive illnesses, he is weakening Obamacare even without formal repeal.


4. Regulated the Big Banks
In July 2010, the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform Act improved regulation of eight areas that led to the financial crisis. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau reduced harmful practices of credit cards and mortgages. The Financial Stability Oversight Council regulated hedge funds and banks that became too big to fail. The "Volcker Rule" banned banks from risking losses with their depositors' money. Dodd-Frank clarified which agencies regulated which banks, stopping banks from cherry-picking their regulators.

5. 2010 Tax Cuts
In December 2010, Obama and Congress agreed upon additional stimulus in the form of an $858 billion tax cut. It had three main components: a $350 billion extension of the Bush tax cuts, a $56 billion extension of unemployment benefits, and a $120 billion reduction in workers' payroll taxes. Businesses received $140 billion in tax cuts for capital improvements and $80 billion in research and development tax credits. The estate tax was exempted (up to $5 million), and there were additional credits for college tuition and children.

6. Raised Fuel Efficiency Standards
On August 28, 2012, the Obama administration announced new fuel efficiency standards. He required cars and light trucks obtain 54.5 MPG by 2025.3 That would reduce oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, saving drivers $1.7 trillion. It would also reduce the damage of climate change by lowering greenhouse gases.


The Trump administration promised to roll back these standards.4 But California requires zero-emissions vehicles. Twelve other states adopted the mandate. Major automakers must build cars to meet stricter standards in the European Union and Asia.

Do I really need to go on.

In just seven months, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act pumped $241.9 billion into the economy. That increased growth to a robust rate of 3.9% by early 2010. By March 30, 2011, almost all ($633.5 billion) of the funds were spent.

Yes, technically the recession ended when there was a slight amount of growth in 2009 but in reality it was an economic downturn that lingered on and on because of Barack Obama's total lack of understanding of what it took to create jobs and grow an economy.

Obama's bailout of the auto industry sent a signal to any prospective investors in American businesses that the rule of law that made the US a good place to invest was no longer a given. The Obama Administration's decision to reorder which creditors got paid so they could reward their supporters in the UAW sent a message to those with capital to invest that they could no longer count on US law to protect their investment.

The Affordable Care Act didn't help create jobs. It was the source of uncertainty that impeded the creation of jobs.

The tax cuts of 2010 weren't something Obama wanted. He was forced to make them by Democratic moderates and the GOP. Claiming THAT is an example of an Obama economic policy is laughable!

Only a clueless liberal thinks that enforcing higher fuel efficiency creates jobs.

And allowing the auto industry to disappear would have sent a great signal to investors.

The ACA had little effect on corporations. They were already proving health insurance benefits.