Why Liberals Hate Free Speech

[bripat9643]

In ways. I can choose whom I allow to participate. I'm not a bit bashful about telling someone it's time they were elsewhere.

Ok, so you want an America where a restaurant can turn away Jews.

How will that make America better?

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

People have access to legal remedies when they are harmed by polluters. Without the laws against pollution, food adulteration, dangerous drugs, etc.,

they would have nowhere to go. The threat of legal liability is a DETERRENT before the fact, and CONSEQUENCE after the fact.

It's called a legal system.

They have legal remedies without the FDA, the EPA, OSHA and their regulations. People have always been able to sue when someone harms them. Drug companies get sued for billions of dollars when they put a dangerous drug on the market. The claim that corporations could harm people with abandon if it weren't for government regulations it utterly fatuous and absurd.

 

[regent]

So you think your family dinner is the same as operating a restaurant?

In ways. I can choose whom I allow to participate. I'm not a bit bashful about telling someone it's time they were elsewhere.

Ok, so you want an America where a restaurant can turn away Jews.

How will that make America better?

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

Maybe it is one's chance of dying from contaminated food, air that

Ok, so you want an America where a restaurant can turn away Jews.

How will that make America better?

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

People have access to legal remedies when they are harmed by polluters. Without the laws against pollution, food adulteration, dangerous drugs, etc.,

they would have nowhere to go. The threat of legal liability is a DETERRENT before the fact, and CONSEQUENCE after the fact.

It's called a legal system.

They have legal remedies without the FDA, the EPA, OSHA and their regulations. People have always been able to sue when someone harms them. Drug companies get sued for billions of dollars when they put a dangerous drug on the market. The claim that corporations could harm people with abandon if it weren't for government regulations it utterly fatuous and absurd.

Perhaps it's a better idea to not be harmed in the first place, rather than have to sue for the harm done especially if the harm was death.
If these laws against pollution, unsafe drugs, foods etc. are bad, Republicans should promise to remove them as soon as they are able. Strange, Republicans didn't even run on a ticket to remove the polio vaccine from the market, and it was an FDR thing.

 

[bripat9643]

In ways. I can choose whom I allow to participate. I'm not a bit bashful about telling someone it's time they were elsewhere.

Ok, so you want an America where a restaurant can turn away Jews.

How will that make America better?

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

Maybe it is one's chance of dying from contaminated food, air that

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

People have access to legal remedies when they are harmed by polluters. Without the laws against pollution, food adulteration, dangerous drugs, etc.,

they would have nowhere to go. The threat of legal liability is a DETERRENT before the fact, and CONSEQUENCE after the fact.

It's called a legal system.

They have legal remedies without the FDA, the EPA, OSHA and their regulations. People have always been able to sue when someone harms them. Drug companies get sued for billions of dollars when they put a dangerous drug on the market. The claim that corporations could harm people with abandon if it weren't for government regulations it utterly fatuous and absurd.

Perhaps it's a better idea to not be harmed in the first place, rather than have to sue for the harm done especially if the harm was death.
If these laws against pollution, unsafe drugs, foods etc. are bad, Republicans should promise to remove them as soon as they are able. Strange, Republicans didn't even run on a ticket to remove the polio vaccine from the market, and it was an FDR thing.

The development of the polio vaccine was funded by a private charity, not the government, moron. Why would abolishing the FDA require anyone to pull the polio vaccine from the market? Turds like you simply can't imagine people doing anything without government.

As I have already demonstrated, government regulations don't prevent people from being harmed. Furthermore, virtually all government regulations are created after the fact, that is, they are created after some catastrophe occurs. In that regard government regulatory agencies don't work any better than lawsuits at preventing death or injury.

Whether abolishing them is politically feasible is an entirely separate issue. If it were ever attempted, there's no doubt that bootlicking government toadies like would try to scare everyone into believing that the world would end if the FDA were abolished.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

As I have already demonstrated, government regulations don't prevent people from being harmed.

Making a blanket statement like that is ill advised. By way of example, the statistics from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration NHTSA show a marked improvements in traffic safety which are primarily a result of various regulations.

Since its inception under the Nixon administration in 1972, the vehicle miles traveled (VMT) per year has risen from 1.26 billion miles to 2.96 billion miles in 2014; an increase of almost 250%. Over that same period with the various and sundry NHTSA regulation changes over that same 42 years, the fatality rate per 100 million VMT has dropped from 4.33 to 1.07 for a decrease greater than 75%. That brought about a startling decrease in fatalities over that same period from 26.01 per 100,000 population down to 10.345 in 2013; a huge drop of more that 250%. [Data compiled from tables within < NCSA Publications & Data Requests >]

Obviously, the regulations brought on by the NHTSA had a definite impact on reducing harm to citizens using the highways since its creation. Your generalized assertion that, "...government regulations don't prevent people from being harmed...." is invalidated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gone are the days when folks who referred to themselves as Liberals embraced what is attributed to Voltaire:
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It




Today....Liberals are an iteration of Fascists.

This, in Breitbart today:

“I’m absolute convinced that Twitter is embarking on a war against conservative points of view, a war against what we might call ‘Generation Trump,’ the dissident, mischievous voices of the new counter-cultural alternative right wing and libertarian youth.”

“Look at who Twitter employs,” he warned in reference to Twitter possibly influencing the 2016 presidential election. “You know, this guy used to work with Hillary, this guy used to work with Obama…”

“This is why Obama ran the tables with Google and with Facebook,” Bannon agreed. “Let’s talk about Facebook for a second. Why is Facebook suppressing voices in the continent of Europe about immigration. Why is Zuckerberg in bed with Merkel?” MILO: Twitter 'Embarking on a War Against Conservative Points of View' - Breitbart


One more nail in the coffin of the once great nation, America.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The American traditions of free expression and respectful discourse are slipping away, and college campuses and Twitter are prime examples, according to a member of the Federal Communications Commission.

"I think that poses a special danger to a country that cherishes First Amendment speech, freedom of expression, even freedom of association," FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai told the Washington Examiner. "I think it's dangerous, frankly, that we don't see more often people espousing the First Amendment view that we should have a robust marketplace of ideas where everybody should be willing and able to participate."
FCC commissioner: U.S. tradition of free expression slipping away

 

[regent]

Ok, so you want an America where a restaurant can turn away Jews.

How will that make America better?

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

Maybe it is one's chance of dying from contaminated food, air that

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

People have access to legal remedies when they are harmed by polluters. Without the laws against pollution, food adulteration, dangerous drugs, etc.,

they would have nowhere to go. The threat of legal liability is a DETERRENT before the fact, and CONSEQUENCE after the fact.

It's called a legal system.

They have legal remedies without the FDA, the EPA, OSHA and their regulations. People have always been able to sue when someone harms them. Drug companies get sued for billions of dollars when they put a dangerous drug on the market. The claim that corporations could harm people with abandon if it weren't for government regulations it utterly fatuous and absurd.

Perhaps it's a better idea to not be harmed in the first place, rather than have to sue for the harm done especially if the harm was death.
If these laws against pollution, unsafe drugs, foods etc. are bad, Republicans should promise to remove them as soon as they are able. Strange, Republicans didn't even run on a ticket to remove the polio vaccine from the market, and it was an FDR thing.

The development of the polio vaccine was funded by a private charity, not the government, moron. Why would abolishing the FDA require anyone to pull the polio vaccine from the market? Turds like you simply can't imagine people doing anything without government.

As I have already demonstrated, government regulations don't prevent people from being harmed. Furthermore, virtually all government regulations are created after the fact, that is, they are created after some catastrophe occurs. In that regard government regulatory agencies don't work any better than lawsuits at preventing death or injury.

Whether abolishing them is politically feasible is an entirely separate issue. If it were ever attempted, there's no doubt that bootlicking government toadies like would try to scare everyone into believing that the world would end if the FDA were abolished.

Polio was a private charity but it was inspired by FDR's bout with paralysis. It was called the March of Dimes because FDR had been placed on the dime and people were encourage to contribute a dime to fight polio. I assumed most posters knew FDR was a polio victim, and knew the history of the March of Dimes. Apparently a few did not. Most laws or regulations occur after a need has been exhibited. We have not passed a law prohibiting space ships from landing on private property, but when spaceships become a pest, a law will be passed.

 

[Ame®icano]

Gone are the days when folks who referred to themselves as Liberals embraced what is attributed to Voltaire:
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It




Today....Liberals are an iteration of Fascists.

This, in Breitbart today:

“I’m absolute convinced that Twitter is embarking on a war against conservative points of view, a war against what we might call ‘Generation Trump,’ the dissident, mischievous voices of the new counter-cultural alternative right wing and libertarian youth.”

“Look at who Twitter employs,” he warned in reference to Twitter possibly influencing the 2016 presidential election. “You know, this guy used to work with Hillary, this guy used to work with Obama…”

“This is why Obama ran the tables with Google and with Facebook,” Bannon agreed. “Let’s talk about Facebook for a second. Why is Facebook suppressing voices in the continent of Europe about immigration. Why is Zuckerberg in bed with Merkel?” MILO: Twitter 'Embarking on a War Against Conservative Points of View' - Breitbart


One more nail in the coffin of the once great nation, America.

You're calling them liberals, but they're not liberals, they're progressive socialists. There are no classic liberals in today's politics. These lefties hate freedom of speech. In fact hate every and everyone's freedoms but their own. It's part of their daily routine to accuse everyone else of hate, racism, sexism, homophobia, while at the same time worship hypocrisy with such profound devotion that they make the most extreme Islamic, western world hating, fundamentalist look outright right atheist by comparison. Lefties are the spoiled little brat that when they don't get their way, they go kick the cat and then burn the house down out of spite and then have the gull to say you did it.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, it will mean the government can't interfere with a private business. The less government we have, the better America is.

Governments spoil people, people begin to expect pure food and drugs as one of their rights, and even expect reasonably safe working conditions. Ah for the old days when a company could grind up an occasional rat in its hamburger, and no one cared.

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

Maybe it is one's chance of dying from contaminated food, air that

Yeah, because no one has purchased a coke with a dead rat in it since that law was passed. . . . . er, no, that's right. Well, at least no one has died from contaminated food since the FDA was created . . . . er, no, that's not right. Well, at least no one has been killed by dangerous drugs since then. . . .. er, no, that's not right. And we all know that the creation of OSHA vastly increased the rate at which industrial accidents declined . . . . er, no, that's not right.

So how did people benefit from all this government regulation again?

People have access to legal remedies when they are harmed by polluters. Without the laws against pollution, food adulteration, dangerous drugs, etc.,

they would have nowhere to go. The threat of legal liability is a DETERRENT before the fact, and CONSEQUENCE after the fact.

It's called a legal system.

They have legal remedies without the FDA, the EPA, OSHA and their regulations. People have always been able to sue when someone harms them. Drug companies get sued for billions of dollars when they put a dangerous drug on the market. The claim that corporations could harm people with abandon if it weren't for government regulations it utterly fatuous and absurd.

Perhaps it's a better idea to not be harmed in the first place, rather than have to sue for the harm done especially if the harm was death.
If these laws against pollution, unsafe drugs, foods etc. are bad, Republicans should promise to remove them as soon as they are able. Strange, Republicans didn't even run on a ticket to remove the polio vaccine from the market, and it was an FDR thing.

The development of the polio vaccine was funded by a private charity, not the government, moron. Why would abolishing the FDA require anyone to pull the polio vaccine from the market? Turds like you simply can't imagine people doing anything without government.

As I have already demonstrated, government regulations don't prevent people from being harmed. Furthermore, virtually all government regulations are created after the fact, that is, they are created after some catastrophe occurs. In that regard government regulatory agencies don't work any better than lawsuits at preventing death or injury.

Whether abolishing them is politically feasible is an entirely separate issue. If it were ever attempted, there's no doubt that bootlicking government toadies like would try to scare everyone into believing that the world would end if the FDA were abolished.

Polio was a private charity but it was inspired by FDR's bout with paralysis. It was called the March of Dimes because FDR had been placed on the dime and people were encourage to contribute a dime to fight polio. I assumed most posters knew FDR was a polio victim, and knew the history of the March of Dimes. Apparently a few did not. Most laws or regulations occur after a need has been exhibited. We have not passed a law prohibiting space ships from landing on private property, but when spaceships become a pest, a law will be passed.

So what does the polio vaccination have to do with regulation? You just explained it has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Gone are the days when folks who referred to themselves as Liberals embraced what is attributed to Voltaire:
I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It




Today....Liberals are an iteration of Fascists.

This, in Breitbart today:

“I’m absolute convinced that Twitter is embarking on a war against conservative points of view, a war against what we might call ‘Generation Trump,’ the dissident, mischievous voices of the new counter-cultural alternative right wing and libertarian youth.”

“Look at who Twitter employs,” he warned in reference to Twitter possibly influencing the 2016 presidential election. “You know, this guy used to work with Hillary, this guy used to work with Obama…”

“This is why Obama ran the tables with Google and with Facebook,” Bannon agreed. “Let’s talk about Facebook for a second. Why is Facebook suppressing voices in the continent of Europe about immigration. Why is Zuckerberg in bed with Merkel?” MILO: Twitter 'Embarking on a War Against Conservative Points of View' - Breitbart


One more nail in the coffin of the once great nation, America.

You're calling them liberals, but they're not liberals, they're progressive socialists. There are no classic liberals in today's politics. These lefties hate freedom of speech. In fact hate every and everyone's freedoms but their own. It's part of their daily routine to accuse everyone else of hate, racism, sexism, homophobia, while at the same time worship hypocrisy with such profound devotion that they make the most extreme Islamic, western world hating, fundamentalist look outright right atheist by comparison. Lefties are the spoiled little brat that when they don't get their way, they go kick the cat and then burn the house down out of spite and then have the gull to say you did it.

I'm simply using the colloquial term, as most today accept it.

When you say "they're progressive socialists. There are no classic liberals in today's politics" you are close to perfect.

The Socialist Party changed its name to "liberal" at the behest of John Dewey.


The modern Liberal, as you correctly state, are the scions of that socialist party.



Now....the Founders, they were Classical Liberals...but would be known today as conservatives.

Their fundamental ideas were based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government....views espoused by conservatives.



No socialists, communists, Nazis, (modern) Liberals, fascists, nor Progressives can make that claim.

 

[ptbw forever]

Was General MacArthur a commie pinko fascist when he said, "For the framers of the Constitution were the liberal thinkers of all ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

Clearly, he was incorrect....if he referred to Modern Liberals...the name John Dewey applied to the Socialists.

The Framers were Classical Liberals, known today as conservatives, who created a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Now, just to see if you understand this.....communism, fascism, modern liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, and socialism....
....which of them are based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


You're not afraid to answer....
...are you?

You have it backwards.

The framers were classical liberals.

People who call themselves conservatives today, are NOT classical liberals

Classical liberals are extinct.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Was General MacArthur a commie pinko fascist when he said, "For the framers of the Constitution were the liberal thinkers of all ages and the charter they produced out of the liberal revolution of their time has never been and is not now surpassed in liberal thought."

Clearly, he was incorrect....if he referred to Modern Liberals...the name John Dewey applied to the Socialists.

The Framers were Classical Liberals, known today as conservatives, who created a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


Now, just to see if you understand this.....communism, fascism, modern liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, and socialism....
....which of them are based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government?


You're not afraid to answer....
...are you?

You have it backwards.

The framers were classical liberals.

People who call themselves conservatives today, are NOT classical liberals

Classical liberals are extinct.

Seems that your understanding of the term is what is 'extinct.'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Chalk one up for the good guys!

"On April 21, U.S. District Judge Manuel Real found that Americans for Prosperity, which was founded by Charles and David Koch, does not have to submit to [Democrat] Attorney General Kamala Harris the names and addresses of its donors who have spent more than $5,000.

“This effort to chill our right to the First Amendment is critical to what the left’s whole agenda is,” Holden told The Daily Signal in an interview. “They talk about getting big money out of politics, but what they really mean is going after speech and activity they disagree with, made by groups they disagree with.”

.....conservatives believe this case is just the latest in an ongoing fight related to political activity and free speech.

“This was a great victory for free speech for everyone in this country,” said Mark Holden, the general counsel for Koch Industries, and a board member of Americans for Prosperity, the group asked to disclose its donor list.


In his ruling, Real wrote, “The [Democrat] attorney general’s requirement that AFP submit its Schedule B [donor list] chills the exercise of its donor’s First Amendment freedoms to speak anonymously and to engage in expressive association.”
Koch-Led Conservative Group Fights Move to ‘Chill’ Speech

 

[francoHFW]

All those regular folks giving five grand to big money propagandists/dirty tricksters....RW idiocy.

 

[francoHFW]

Being against ignorance, intolerance, and hate...what a horrible person lol...

 

[Uncensored2008]

All those regular folks giving five grand to big money propagandists/dirty tricksters....RW idiocy.

I though Avast had cleaned up the Franco Hater Dupe Bot Virus that was infecting the board?

 

[PoliticalChic]

All those regular folks giving five grand to big money propagandists/dirty tricksters....RW idiocy.

Remember the last time you were correct in a post?
Me neither.


It's the Left with all the money for propaganda, not the Right.

1. As of 2009, the financial assets of the 115 major tax-exempt foundations of the Left add up to $104.56 billlion. Not only is this total not less than the financial assets of the 75 foundations of the Right, it was more than ten times greater! [p. 8]
   1. Bradley, Olin, Scaife, the “Big Three” conservative foundations, not one has assets exceeding $1 billion. (Olin has been defunct since 2005).

i. Scaife Foundation has assets totaling $244 million.

ii. Bradley Foundation, $623 million.

1. Fourteen progressive foundations do, including Gates, Ford, Robert Wood Johnson, Hewlett, Kellogg, Packard, MacArthur, Mellon, Rockefeller, Casey, Carnegie, Simons, Heinz, and the Open Society Institute.

i. Ford alone has 16 times what Bradley has.

ii. Soros has claimed that he has donated over $7 billion to his Open Society organizations.

iii. The leading Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, $33 billion.

1. With over $100 billion in tax-exempt assets at their disposal, left-wing foundations have been able to invest massively greater amounts in their beneficiary groups. Ford gave more in one year than Scaife in 40!
   1. “By compiling a computerized record of nearly all his contributions over the last four decades, The Washington Post found that Scaife and his family's charitable entities have given at least $340 million to conservative causes and institutions…The Ford Foundation gave away $491 million in 1998 alone.” Washingtonpost.com: Scaife: Funding Father of the Right

If you ever get around to actual research....try
“The New Leviathan,” David Horowitz and Jacob Laksin

 

[PoliticalChic]

Being against ignorance, intolerance, and hate...what a horrible person lol...

Actually, a lying sack of offal.

Obama: "In fact, by almost every measure, America is better, and the world is better, than it was 50 years ago, or 30 years ago, or even eight years ago."
Remarks by the President at Commencement Address at Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey


Wanna see some measures?


1. "...take-home pay for many American workers has effectively fallen since the economic recovery began in 2009, according to a new study by an advocacy group that is to be released on Thursday.
The declines were greatest for the lowest-paid workers in sectors where hiring has been strong — home health care, food preparation and retailing — even though wages were already below average to begin with in those service industries.
“Stagnant wages are a problem for everyone at this point, but the imbalance in the economy has become more pronounced since the recession,”..."http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/b...rkers-see-biggest-drop-in-paychecks.html?_r=0


2."....US hourly wages have not only not increased for the past 7 years,but for thevast majority of the labor force continue to decline,.... just the month of August will be enough to provide the Trump - and every other - campaign with enough soundbites and pivot points to last it for weeks on end: namely,that in August a whopping 698,000 native-born Americans lost their job.This drop was offset by 204,000 foreign-born Americans, who got a job in the month of August. ....since December 2007, according to the Household Survey,only 790,000 native born Americanjobs have been added.Contrast that withthe 2.1 million foreign-born Americanswho have found a job over the same time period..."698K Native-Born Americans Lost Their Job In August: Why This Suddenly Is The Most Important Jobs Chart | Zero Hedge


3. October 2015: "Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower"Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September With Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower | Zero Hedge




4. "Obamacare health insurance co-ops surged past the $1 billion mark in losses this week, making history of sorts.The insolvencies, totaling $1.36 billion, mean that the co-ops have burned through more than half of theoriginal $2 billion appropriatedin 2010 for the program under the Affordable Care Act. The funds were loaned to the start-up co-ops in 2012 and were to be repaid in 15 years, according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which manages Obamacare.
...13 of the 23 federally-financed Obamacare co-ops have officially failed in only two years. Most are in the process of default as insurance regulators attempt to pay customer’s medical bills, cover medical providers and pay other creditors.
Obamacare Co-Op Mess Causes $1.3 Billion In Losses


5."Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving
This is a new record, beating the previous high of 136 set by President Obama this spring."
Obama Administration Announces 144 Big Regulations Right Before Thanksgiving


6. "...ObamaCare experiment costing taxpayers $2.4 billionis failing. The co-ops were founded on the idealistic belief that community members could band together to create health insurance companies that would be member-driven, service-oriented, and would not have to answer to shareholders or turn a profit."
400,000 Citizens To Lose Health Insurance (Again) Because Of Obamacare Co-Op Failures



7. "The U.S. expanded at a 2.2% rate through the first nine months of the year, and the economy is projected to grow at a similar pace in the fourth quarter that ends on Dec. 31. If so, the economy will have failed to reach 3% growth for the 10th straight year, marking the slowest stretch since the end of World War II.
Historically the economy has expanded at a 3.3% rate."U.S. economy set to grow less than 3% for the 10th straight year


8. "Congress has now cleared the way for federal debt to pass$20 trillionby the end of the president’s second term. President Obama said the new budget deal will be paid for in a “balanced” and “responsible” way, but on the day the deal was signed, the federal debt jumped $339 billion—a third of a trillion dollars in one day."Societywatch


9.The GDPNow model forecast for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the fourth quarter of 2015 is 0.8 percent on January 8, down from 1.0 percent on January 6. The forecast for the contribution of inventory investment to fourth-quarter real GDP growth declined 0.2 percentage points to -0.8 percentage points after this morning's wholesale trade report from the U.S. Census Bureau.GDPNow


10. "Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009Sales at U.S. retailers declined in December to wrap the weakest year since 2009, raising concern about the momentum in consumer spending heading into 2016. The 0.1 percent drop matched the median forecast of 84 economists surveyed by Bloomberg and followed a 0.4 percent gain in November, Commerce Department figures showed Friday in Washington. For all of 2015, purchases climbed 2.1 percent, the smallest advance of the current economic expansion."Retail Sales in U.S. Decrease to End Weakest Year Since 2009

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11. " The federal government heavily subsidizes higher education through a complex system of grants and loans. While the programs are great for colleges — they haveenabledan astronomical increase in tuition — they contain few measures holding the institutions accountable to their students. As a result, only59 percentof students graduate from four-year colleges and universities within six years. Those lucky enough to graduate face another hurdle:44 percentof recent college graduates occupy jobs which do not require a college degree. Taken together, these numbers suggest that only one-third of college enrollees emerge from the system with both a degree and a relevant job." What "Free" College Can't Fix | Preston Cooper

12. Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "...annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama’s Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression." Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. "....first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth." Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire



13. According to the2016 Index of Economic Freedom, an annual publication by The Heritage Foundation, America’s economic freedom has tumbled. With losses of economic freedom in eight of the past nine years, the U.S. has tied its worst score ever, wiping out a decade of progress. Since early2009:

· Government spending has exploded, amounting to $29,867 per household in 2015.

· The national debt has risen to $125,000 for every tax filing household in America—a total over $18 trillion.

· The government takeover of health care is raising prices and disrupting markets.

· Bailouts and new government regulations have increased uncertainty, stifling investment and job creation. America’s Economic Freedom Has Rapidly Declined Under Obama

14 "Despite the unemployment rate being at an eight-year low (4.9 percent as of January 2016), the number of people on food stampsremains near an all-time highwhich was 47,636,000 in 2013.

Why the disparity in the numbers? Well, the unemployment rate does not take into account people who are not in, or have dropped out of, the workforce altogether.

The Bureau of Labor Statisticsreportedin January of this year that approximately 94 million Americans are not participating in the workforce.

We now have a country based on government dependence." Food Stamp Users Near Record High Despite Low Unemployment Rate

15. "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Predominantly African-American neighborhoods in Chicago have seen poverty rise and services diminish even as the nation's third largest city has become less racially segregated,.... black areas are seeing economic stagnation or decline,.... mostly black areas have lost health clinics, social service agencies and other areas of support..." Exclusive: Poverty up, services diminished in Chicago's black neighborhoods - study


16. "Employers added more workers in February than projected but wages unexpectedly declined, dashing hopes that reduced slack in the labor market was starting to benefit all Americans..... Average hourly earnings dropped by 0.1 percent from the prior month, the first decline since December 2014 the Labor Department’s figures showed. Worker pay increased 2.2 percent over the 12 months ended in February, less than the 2.5 percent forecast in the Bloomberg survey. Wage growth has been hovering just above 2 percent year-over-year on average since the current expansion began in mid-2009." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report

17. New Obama regulation will deprive middle class investors of access to financial information. "...the controversial pending Department of Labor regulation that would impose new restrictions on a vast swath of financial professionals... a newreportfor the Competitive Enterprise Institute, similar restrictions in Great Britain have caused a “guidance gap” in which brokers have largely stopped serving customers with assets less than £150,000 ($240,000).... Such limits on financial discussion may seem to violate the First Amendment..." http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnber...l-broadcasters-like-dave-ramsey/#2962753ee696

“this Obama rule will kill the Middle Class and below ability to access personal advice.”

18. "U.S. retail sales dropped in February and the prior month’s gain was revised to a decline, calling into question the narrative that bigger gains in consumer spending would propel economic growth at the start of 2016. The 0.1 percent decline in purchases followed a revised 0.4 percent January decrease, Commerce Department figures showed Tuesday.... “We’re seeing higher rents, higher healthcare expenses,.... Retail sales excluding autos fell 0.1 percent after a 0.4 percent decrease in January, according to Tuesday’s report." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-fell-in-february-after-january-revised-down

19. "That basic math is why middle class incomes have been in decline under Obama. The Census Bureau reports that since Obama became President 7 years ago, real median household income has fallen by $1,300 a year. Heritage Foundation Chief Economist Steve Moore explained in testimony before the Ways and Means Committee, “At 2 percent growth the economy doesn’t spin off enough jobs to increase wages, and tax revenues grow much too slowly to balance the budget.”

The recession officially ended more than 6 years ago. Wages and incomes have always grown in recoveries, not declined. Moreover, the American historical record is the deeper the recession, the stronger the recovery. The economy is supposed to boom in a recovery to catch up with its long term economic growth trendline. But over 6 years after the recession ended, that still has not happened. Instead, what we have gotten under President Obama is the worst recovery from a recession since the Great Depression." http://limittaxes.org/2016/02/realizing-the-super-bowl-of-american-economic-growth/

20. "8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down

12 of the 23 taxpayer funded non-profit co-ops created under the Affordable Care Act were shuttered, and the largest of them isunder investigation.

Records obtained by Richard Pollack of theDaily Callerindicate another 8 co-ops might be on their way out this year:
'...there’s not a turnaround in sight. The same problems that plagued them before are continuing,”
8 More Obamacare Co-ops Will Probably Shut Down

21. the United States had lost its once-enormous global lead in middle-class pay, based oninternational income surveysover the last three decades.After-tax median income in Canada appears to have been higher last year than the same measure in this country. The poor in Canada and much of western Europe earn more than the poor here. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/29/u...dgety-boys-and-a-sputtering-economy.html?_r=0

22. Middle aged people laid off and unable to find work are taking another way out. They're killing themselves. Suicide rates are soaring, according to federal data released last week. Especially in economically depressed states and job-starved upstate New York. People in need of work are twice as likely to take their own lives as employed people, and people fired in their forties and fifties find it hardest to get hired again.

That makes boosting economic growth a life- and- death issue. But you wouldn't know it listening to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. President Obama whitewashes reality, claiming the "American economy is pretty darn good right now."

http://www.nysun.com/editorials/soaring-suicides-emerge/89558/


23. "U.S. Economy Expands to 0.5% Pace, Weakest in Two Years
The U.S. economy expanded in the first quarter at the slowest pace in two years ....Gross domestic product rose at a 0.5 percent annualized rate after a 1.4 percent fourth-quarter advance, Commerce Department data showed Thursday. The increase was less than the 0.7 percent median projection in a Bloomberg survey and marked the third straight disappointing start to a year." http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...in-first-quarter-at-slowest-pace-in-two-years

24. "Nearly one in six young men (between the ages of 18-34) in the U.S. were either jobless or incarcerated in 2014, according to a new government report. It details a striking amount of male alienation that has been on the rise since the 1980s.
According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), out of the 38 million young men in the U.S. in 2014, 16 percent were jobless (5 million or 13 percent) or incarcerated (1 million or 3 percent). The share of young men without a job or in prison has increased substantially since 1980, when just 11 percent of young men fit into either category." http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...early-1-6-young-men-u-s-jobless-incarcerated/

25. "Stocks fall as inflation hits 3-year high
...consumers prices at the consumer level for items ranging from toilet tissue to gasoline rose 0.4% last month, slightly above the 0.3% estimate but its strongest monthly gain in more than three years." http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/markets/2016/05/17/stocks-dow-tuesday/84481164/

 

[francoHFW]

Only the GOP has a bs propaganda machine, dopey. The more you listen, the less you know. The world is aghast.

 

[francoHFW]

And nobody parrots the bs more than Trump.

Breaking: Reaganist tax rates and policy have been killing the nonrich and the country for 35 years now, defended to the death by the GOP, including Trump. DUH.