Why "Pre-existing conditions" is a phony, blown out of proportion issue.

[dudmuck]

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"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. "

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Yeah, I had the same problem, I found it impossible to purchase fire insurance on my house after it burned down.

What kind of heartless asshole won't insurance against eventualities that have already occurred ?

Wont somebody help?

 

[healthmyths]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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Anecdote: Years ago I recall hearing of a son advised to NOT donate a matching kidney to his desperately ill father because it would create in the son a 'pre-existing condition' that would penalize him the rest of his life. I believe he went ahead anyway. I wonder how he feels now, having the pre-existing part erased, then restored by an admin that taxes in a way the makes the rich richer and takes away deductions from the poorer among us.

SAD... I'm sure... BUT ANECDOTAL! And that's the problem with it!
And this anti-rich attitude is so cliched! So stupid.
Just an aside... WHAT do you think the "rich" do with the money that takes money away from the poor and gives to the "rich".
Are you just that stupid to think the "rich" bury the money or hide under their mattresses?
TELL me exactly WHAT do you think the "rich" do with this largesse???
Explain where that money goes?

 

[Oddball]

It wasn’t that smart. It was just a conservative being an ass. Nothing new.

I'm not a "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore), and konrad wrote a foolish post....If we're supposed to have insurance against mortality, then it only follows that having insurance would protect you from that eventuality.

I seriously can't believe some of the hilarious gibberish you lolberals post, on an ongoing basis.

 

[kyzr]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

Pre was filled with bankruptcy and skyrocketing costs. We need something better than pre. Pre was so bad it got us Obamacare.

Pre-Obamacare wasn't bad, it allowed those of us actually paying for healthcare to see doctors with reasonable deductibles. IMHO the pre was geared more toward the "average" family's medical needs while limiting coverage to the very sick/expensive needs. Obamacare may provide better coverage to the very sick, but the average family can't see doctors due to high deductibles. Its a tough problem, but families need better access and lower deductibles.

 

[healthmyths]

But NONE of you yet seem to want to tax the lawyers! Why?
These guys grossed over $280 billion a year a lot coming from lawsuits and some from medical lawsuits.
As a result the medical community WASTES because they FEAR they'll be sued... $850 billion a year!
Tax the lawyers 10% ... use that to cover the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions. That would do it!
But you all defend those lawyers that are predators on the health industry!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

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"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. Those who did manage to obtain coverage often paid premiums that were much higher than those paid by most people in their age-bracket. This hindrance to coverage forced many into bankruptcy as they were forced to pay for their medical coverage without the benefit of a health insurance plan. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), which went into effect on January 1, 2014, changed all that."

• In 2010, ProPublica reported that health insurance providers turned down coverage for 1 out of 7 people because of pre-existing conditions.
• This resulted in more than 651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period.
• Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people who were denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased as much as 49%.

Source

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So, you walk into an insurance company with lymphoma stating you need coverage. You haven't paid a dime in premiums, yet the insurance company is now on the hook for 100's of thousands of $$ of treatments.. tell us, how does this work out?

 

[deanrd]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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You said:

There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

And you’re right. The answer is not anymore. Not since Obamacare.

 

[NightFox]

.And the Academy Award for the Best SmartAss Comment of the month goes to.....

Oh, so pre-existing conditions get insured and nobody dies...Gotcha.

It wasn’t that smart. It was just a conservative being an ass. Nothing new.

You're just jealous because you don't have a sense of humor.

"Of course you have a sense of humor. Everyone thinks they do, even people who don't. " -- Barney Coopersmith, My Blue Heaven

 

[rightwinger]

The below statement sums up why the issue is phony.

An estimated 27% of adults under age 65 in the U.S. have a pre-existing condition.

And, a 2010 study conducted before enactment of ACA showed that 42% of adults aged 50 to 64 who tried to buy insurance in individual insurance markets were rejected outright, charged higher premiums, or had one or more disease conditions removed from coverage.
Possible Removal Of Pre-Existing Conditions Protections

WOW... 27% of adults under age 65 have a pre-existing condition that means of the total 55,671,030 supposedly
have a pre-existing condition that means that can't get health insurance right???
55.7 million! WOW...
But wait... 56% have group health insurance that covers them... that means.. 24.5 million without group insurance.
But wait...7% of Americans have private insurance so that leaves 22.7 million with out health insurance that might have "pre-existing conditions"...and can't get insurance... but WAIT...

When Obama floated this statement:
"We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children,
It was proven by Politifact.org that Obama was "sloppy" because he counted 10 million that were illegal aliens.!
Wow... that meant then not 46 million but 36 million... But WAIT.....

Obama forgot this fact that was later PROVEN to be true by the same guy who said it took the stupidity of voters to pass Obamacare, when Obama counted 14 million as part of the 46 million uninsured...THAT WERE ELIGIBLE BEFORE ACA for Medicaid... they just didn't enroll!
PROOF! Last year, analysis from the RAND Corporation found that 6.1 million new Medicaid enrollees were already
eligible for Medicaid. MIT economist and Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber estimates that nearly 9 million new Medicaid enrollees were already eligible.
Millions of Obamacare enrollees already had health insurance

a) So of the 46 million Obama stated 10 million illegal, 14 million were eligible for Medicaid...
that leaves 22 million that don't have insurance...
b) So if the 27% is a valid number 27% of 22 million that honestly WANT health insurance but due to pre-existing
conditions or less than 6 million people that can't get health insurance that want health insurance but due to
pre-existing conditions can't get it!

I'm going to shout now:
THAT is NOT half of all Americans that have pre-existing conditions!!!
Yet that was what started this whole conversation when Obama said:
Up to half of all Americans have a pre-existing condition." — Barack Obama on Thursday, September 26th, 2013 in a speech about the Affordable Care Act
Obama says half of Americans have a pre-existing condition

AND that's what got people all bent out of shape!
There are NOT half of all Americans that pre-existing conditions preventing them from getting health insurance!

NOW here is a solution for those truly 6 million that either don't qualify for Medicaid or group health insurance:
TAX the lawyers who have caused NEARLY $850 Billion a year in wasted health expenses.
10% of the The legal services industry in the United States generated 256.66 billion U.S. dollars in revenue in 2013.Topic: Legal services industry in the U.S.
25 billion in tax revenue would provide a $340/month health insurance premium for the 6 million that have pre-existing conditions.
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You are missing the point

What happens to those who have pre-existing conditions who are fired or want to leave their current employer?
Going on the open market means rejection or exorbitant premiums

Do you think those with pre-existing conditions should pay the same rate as you?

 

[rightwinger]

`
"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. Those who did manage to obtain coverage often paid premiums that were much higher than those paid by most people in their age-bracket. This hindrance to coverage forced many into bankruptcy as they were forced to pay for their medical coverage without the benefit of a health insurance plan. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), which went into effect on January 1, 2014, changed all that."

• In 2010, ProPublica reported that health insurance providers turned down coverage for 1 out of 7 people because of pre-existing conditions.
• This resulted in more than 651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period.
• Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people who were denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased as much as 49%.

Source

`

So, you walk into an insurance company with lymphoma stating you need coverage. You haven't paid a dime in premiums, yet the insurance company is now on the hook for 100's of thousands of $$ of treatments.. tell us, how does this work out?

If they want to remain in the insurance business, they have to cover everyone who applies

Seems fair

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Everyone has has a pre-existing condition, mortality. If anyone can be so designated and denied coverage, then we all can. That should be the concern, because it can effect all of us when those decisions can be made solely on a financial basis.

Would you buy a new car that had a leak the size of a quarter in the oil pan?

 

[Brain357]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

Pre was filled with bankruptcy and skyrocketing costs. We need something better than pre. Pre was so bad it got us Obamacare.

Pre-Obamacare wasn't bad, it allowed those of us actually paying for healthcare to see doctors with reasonable deductibles. IMHO the pre was geared more toward the "average" family's medical needs while limiting coverage to the very sick/expensive needs. Obamacare may provide better coverage to the very sick, but the average family can't see doctors due to high deductibles. Its a tough problem, but families need better access and lower deductibles.

Pre was bad, that’s how we got Obamacare. It was filled with bankruptcies and skyrocketing costs:

The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[healthmyths]

`
"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. Those who did manage to obtain coverage often paid premiums that were much higher than those paid by most people in their age-bracket. This hindrance to coverage forced many into bankruptcy as they were forced to pay for their medical coverage without the benefit of a health insurance plan. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), which went into effect on January 1, 2014, changed all that."

• In 2010, ProPublica reported that health insurance providers turned down coverage for 1 out of 7 people because of pre-existing conditions.
• This resulted in more than 651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period.
• Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people who were denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased as much as 49%.

Source

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Your highlighted figure of "651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period."
Hmmmm that is a little less than the "up to half of all Americans have "pre-existing conditions" as said by Obama and his administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."
You’ve heard it a million times: Obamacare prohibits insurers from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. The reason you’ve heard it so often is that it’s one of the few aspects of Obamacare that consistently polls well. “What I’m not willing to do,” said President Obama in his 2011 State of the Union address,
“is go back to the days when insurance companies could deny someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition.”

84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that where "pre-existing condition" is not an issue!
Proof?
A) A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Proof?
B) Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?

Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

So please refute my title... "pre-existing conditions was phony blown out of proportion when:
A) Obama said up to half of all Americans ... Nearly 130 million.....
B) Experience by insurance companies... less than 651,000 OVER 3 years...
C) PCIP intended to cover those people had just over 100,000 enrolled... AGAIN I thought there were over 130 million?????

 

[Oddball]

You are missing the point

What happens to those who have pre-existing conditions who are fired or want to leave their current employer?
Going on the open market means rejection or exorbitant premiums

Do you think those with pre-existing conditions should pay the same rate as you?

Since when does lack of prior planning on your part, constitute an emergency on my part?

 

[Brain357]

`
"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. Those who did manage to obtain coverage often paid premiums that were much higher than those paid by most people in their age-bracket. This hindrance to coverage forced many into bankruptcy as they were forced to pay for their medical coverage without the benefit of a health insurance plan. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), which went into effect on January 1, 2014, changed all that."

• In 2010, ProPublica reported that health insurance providers turned down coverage for 1 out of 7 people because of pre-existing conditions.
• This resulted in more than 651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period.
• Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people who were denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased as much as 49%.

Source

`

So, you walk into an insurance company with lymphoma stating you need coverage. You haven't paid a dime in premiums, yet the insurance company is now on the hook for 100's of thousands of $$ of treatments.. tell us, how does this work out?

If they want to remain in the insurance business, they have to cover everyone who applies

Seems fair

Makes a pretty poor system when everyone isn’t covered.

 

[healthmyths]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

Pre was filled with bankruptcy and skyrocketing costs. We need something better than pre. Pre was so bad it got us Obamacare.

Pre-Obamacare wasn't bad, it allowed those of us actually paying for healthcare to see doctors with reasonable deductibles. IMHO the pre was geared more toward the "average" family's medical needs while limiting coverage to the very sick/expensive needs. Obamacare may provide better coverage to the very sick, but the average family can't see doctors due to high deductibles. Its a tough problem, but families need better access and lower deductibles.

Pre was bad, that’s how we got Obamacare. It was filled with bankruptcies and skyrocketing costs:

The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia

Again you are ignoring the premise here... that once again Pre-existing conditions was blown out of proportion and you keep ignoring the FACTs and the solution!
WHY???
Your highlighted figure of "651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period."
Hmmmm that is a little less than the "up to half of all Americans have "pre-existing conditions" as said by Obama and his administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."
You’ve heard it a million times: Obamacare prohibits insurers from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. The reason you’ve heard it so often is that it’s one of the few aspects of Obamacare that consistently polls well. “What I’m not willing to do,” said President Obama in his 2011 State of the Union address,
“is go back to the days when insurance companies could deny someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition.”

84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that where "pre-existing condition" is not an issue!
Proof?
A) A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Proof?
B) Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?

Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

So please refute my title... "pre-existing conditions was phony blown out of proportion when:
A) Obama said up to half of all Americans ... Nearly 130 million.....
B) Experience by insurance companies... less than 651,000 OVER 3 years...
C) PCIP intended to cover those people had just over 100,000 enrolled... AGAIN I thought there were over 130 million?????

 

[healthmyths]

`
"For years, people who had been diagnosed with chronic health problems found it difficult, if not impossible, to purchase health insurance on the private market. Those who did manage to obtain coverage often paid premiums that were much higher than those paid by most people in their age-bracket. This hindrance to coverage forced many into bankruptcy as they were forced to pay for their medical coverage without the benefit of a health insurance plan. The Affordable Care Act (ACA), which went into effect on January 1, 2014, changed all that."

• In 2010, ProPublica reported that health insurance providers turned down coverage for 1 out of 7 people because of pre-existing conditions.
• This resulted in more than 651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period.
• Between 2007 and 2009, the number of people who were denied coverage for pre-existing conditions increased as much as 49%.

Source

`

So, you walk into an insurance company with lymphoma stating you need coverage. You haven't paid a dime in premiums, yet the insurance company is now on the hook for 100's of thousands of $$ of treatments.. tell us, how does this work out?

If they want to remain in the insurance business, they have to cover everyone who applies

Seems fair

Makes a pretty poor system when everyone isn’t covered.

YOU are ignoring the premise of the title:

Your highlighted figure of "651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period."
Hmmmm that is a little less than the "up to half of all Americans have "pre-existing conditions" as said by Obama and his administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."
You’ve heard it a million times: Obamacare prohibits insurers from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. The reason you’ve heard it so often is that it’s one of the few aspects of Obamacare that consistently polls well. “What I’m not willing to do,” said President Obama in his 2011 State of the Union address,
“is go back to the days when insurance companies could deny someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition.”

84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that where "pre-existing condition" is not an issue!
Proof?
A) A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Proof?
B) Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?

Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

So please refute my title... "pre-existing conditions was phony blown out of proportion when:
A) Obama said up to half of all Americans ... Nearly 130 million.....
B) Experience by insurance companies... less than 651,000 OVER 3 years...
C) PCIP intended to cover those people had just over 100,000 enrolled... AGAIN I thought there were over 130 million?????

 

[Oddball]

If they want to remain in the insurance business, they have to cover everyone who applies

Seems fair

So you're going to try and demand what another person to do, while bearing absolutely no responsibility for the consequences when they do it.

Seems totally fair!

 

[healthmyths]

What's not phony is that Obamacare stopped those actually paying for healthcare from seeing doctors because the deductibles are so high that no one can actually afford to see doctors, unless you're getting free healthcare. Even Bill Clinton called it the "craziest healthcare system ever". I prefer the pre-Obamacare system.

Pre was filled with bankruptcy and skyrocketing costs. We need something better than pre. Pre was so bad it got us Obamacare.

Pre-Obamacare wasn't bad, it allowed those of us actually paying for healthcare to see doctors with reasonable deductibles. IMHO the pre was geared more toward the "average" family's medical needs while limiting coverage to the very sick/expensive needs. Obamacare may provide better coverage to the very sick, but the average family can't see doctors due to high deductibles. Its a tough problem, but families need better access and lower deductibles.

Pre was bad, that’s how we got Obamacare. It was filled with bankruptcies and skyrocketing costs:

The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[

Health care in the United States - Wikipedia

YOU ARE WRONG because you are ignoring the premise of the title: blown out of proportion just as Obama's dumb as 46 million uninsured!
Your highlighted figure of "651,000 people being denied health insurance by the top four insurance companies over a three-year period."
Hmmmm that is a little less than the "up to half of all Americans have "pre-existing conditions" as said by Obama and his administration even put out a report titled
“At Risk: Pre-Existing Conditions Could Affect 1 in 2 Americans: 129 Million Could Be Denied Affordable Coverage Without Health Reform."
You’ve heard it a million times: Obamacare prohibits insurers from denying coverage to those with pre-existing conditions. The reason you’ve heard it so often is that it’s one of the few aspects of Obamacare that consistently polls well. “What I’m not willing to do,” said President Obama in his 2011 State of the Union address,
“is go back to the days when insurance companies could deny someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition.”

84% of All Americans have some type of insurance that where "pre-existing condition" is not an issue!
Proof?
A) A total of LESS THEN 1.5 million Americans who were denied health insurance or paid higher premiums due to pre-existing conditions.
Obama's Pre-existing Conditions Whopper

Proof?
B) Finally even with the ACA supposedly eliminated the "pre-existing conditions"???
Now under Obamacare HOW many people of those millions with Pre-existing conditions were covered?

Pre-existing Condition Insurance Program (PCIP) was operational in all 50 states by the fall of 2010.
By late 2012, just over 100,000 individuals were enrolled and program expenses had consumed nearly half of the $5 billion appropriation.
High-Risk Pools For Uninsurable Individuals

So please refute my title... "pre-existing conditions was phony blown out of proportion when:
A) Obama said up to half of all Americans ... Nearly 130 million.....
B) Experience by insurance companies... less than 651,000 OVER 3 years...
C) PCIP intended to cover those people had just over 100,000 enrolled... AGAIN I thought there were over 130 million?????

 

[rightwinger]

You are missing the point

What happens to those who have pre-existing conditions who are fired or want to leave their current employer?
Going on the open market means rejection or exorbitant premiums

Do you think those with pre-existing conditions should pay the same rate as you?

Since when does lack of prior planning on your part, constitute an emergency on my part?

So you must support the Obamacare mandate

Every American should be covered in case of a health emergency. People who are sick should not be priced out of the market

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If they want to remain in the insurance business, they have to cover everyone who applies

Seems fair

So you're going to try and demand what another person to do, while bearing absolutely no responsibility for the consequences when they do it.

Seems totally fair!

That's the lib way.