Mr Natural
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Don’t think of it as tipping the help, think of it as helping out the owners if that makes you feel better.
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Having dated several waitresses and barmaids I can assure you they remember
Funny that you think 20% of a meal at a decent restaurant is "a few more pennies". 20% on $200 gives the waiter $40 for that hour, a lot more than the pathetic $15/hour the usual suspects are bleating about. He's not complaining about tips and would find a different job entirely if you eliminated tips for MW. Heck, there's a lot of people who would like to work for $40/hour, well trained people.Wrong, you hollow excuse for a human being. You are not "taking care of people" if you demand something from them and they have to grovel at your feet for a few more pennies. That is NOT taking care, that is lording it over people so you can feel better about yourself. Don't kid yourself about how those people really see you.
So whats different about customer facing work? Cant you do excellent work as a waiter and get paid more for it?In most careers you get paid more for excellent work, which provides the incentive to keep getting better.
Because in non-customer facing jobs, the customer is not there to tip for performance, obviously. Of course you can eliminate tips and simply pay waiters more. Just expect a corresponding increase in menu prices as a result. It WOULD happen, and the difference would be that you would pay the higher price whether the service was great or sucked.So whats different about customer facing work? Cant you do excellent work as a waiter and get paid more for it?
How about DOUBLE everything on the menu, have the establishment pay the staff well, and stop all this archaic extortion performance? I certainly don't want to see hard working waitstaff to be paid poorly.Funny that you think 20% of a meal at a decent restaurant is "a few more pennies". 20% on $200 gives the waiter $40 for that hour, a lot more than the pathetic $15/hour the usual suspects are bleating about. He's not complaining about tips and would find a different job entirely if you eliminated tips for MW. Heck, there's a lot of people who would like to work for $40/hour, well trained people.
Here's a fun little fact. Those people who handle your medicine 8 hours a day are paid maybe $12-15/hour.
I agree!How about DOUBLE everything on the menu, have the establishment pay the staff well, and stop all this archaic extortion performance? I certainly don't want to see hard working waitstaff to be paid poorly.
This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I agree!
The last thing I want to be doing after a big meal and drinks is a lot of damn math.
The last thing I want to be doing after a big meal and drinks is a lot of damn math.
I've never made a server or bartender "grovel at my feet"! If that's what you think tipping means then you obviously have never learned HOW to tip! People like you are why servers and bartenders quit the business. You don't see them as valuable. You think their job demeans them. My tip tells them the opposite...that I do value what they do and appreciate that they are good at it!Wrong, you hollow excuse for a human being. You are not "taking care of people" if you demand something from them and they have to grovel at your feet for a few more pennies. That is NOT taking care, that is lording it over people so you can feel better about yourself. Don't kid yourself about how those people really see you.
Every time you guess you make more of an ass of yourself...... People like you are why servers and bartenders quit the business. You don't see them as valuable. You think their job demeans them. ....
It's figurative, dimwit.I've never made a server or bartender "grovel at my feet"! .....
People like you feel the need to "control" everything through government edicts, Unk! You think that the solution to everything is to regulate it. It's amazing how often that "solution" ends up making things far worse than they were before!How about DOUBLE everything on the menu, have the establishment pay the staff well, and stop all this archaic extortion performance? I certainly don't want to see hard working waitstaff to be paid poorly.
When was the last time you cooked a full meal at home?.....t I do value what they do and appreciate that they are good at it!
On a separate note, I will say that it would be nice if waiters and waitresses got paid more by their employees but it isn't a high paying job to wait tables so that's why the tips come in to play.
Find me a single server or bartender that feels like someone who was pleasant to wait on and who leaves them a huge tip every time they come in...is making them "grovel" for that tip! Most of the servers and bartenders I know would laugh at you for even suggesting that!It's figurative, dimwit.
I just finished the dinner I cooked at home. What does that have to do with you being cheap?When was the last time you cooked a full meal at home?
With all due respect...tips are NOT tax free money! They used to be but now the IRS wants it's cut from servers and bartenders as well as the rest of us! The IRS looks at what servers and bartenders claim they made and then compare that total to what the IRS KNOWS they made...transactions that were paid for by credit cards!Are you rilly kidding? Tips are tax free money and much of them never gets reported to the IRS. Between the base salary and tips, many waiters/waitresses make a VERY good living. As good or better than many people with degreed careers.