Why the fight against Birth Control?

[koshergrl]

Hmm, that must mean you had the same experience with a guy. Thanks for the tip.

Many chicks have sadly. Abstinence is 100%, but we are talking about teenagers here.

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

If two 15 year olds have sex in the living room 3 feet from where you're sleeping, you're the pervert.

That's what I'm saying.

And what you and tommy taint are saying is that that is *normal* and should be accepted as such.

 

[koshergrl]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

Bull shit. And thats you come off as crazy.

That's what all the brainwashed minions of progressive/Nazi policies say.

"Hitler believed the nation had become weak, corrupted by dysgenics, the infusion of degenerate elements into its bloodstream.[15]

"The racialism and idea of competition, termed social Darwinism in 1944, were discussed by European scientists and also in the Vienna press during the 1920s. Where Hitler picked up the ideas is uncertain. The theory of evolution had been generally accepted in Germany at the time but this sort of extremism was rare.[16]

"In his Second Book, which was unpublished during the Nazi era, Hitler praised Sparta, (using ideas perhaps borrowed from Ernst Haeckel),[17] adding that he considered Sparta to be the first "Völkisch State". He endorsed what he perceived to be an early eugenics treatment of deformed children:

"Sparta must be regarded as the first Völkisch State. The exposure of the sick, weak, deformed children, in short, their destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more humane than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject, and indeed at any price, and yet takes the life of a hundred thousand healthy children in consequence of birth control or through abortions, in order subsequently to breed a race of degenerates burdened with illnesses.[18][19]"

Nazi eugenics - Wikipedia

People like coyote and other lefties still like to prate about abortion and birth control to prevent a variety of things (including poverty). They never want to address the underlying issue..which is that young women shouldn't be subjected to sexual predation by males who can't, or won't, support them and their children, in the first place.

You don't prevent predation by eliminating the results of it. It doesn't work. All that does is make it easier for those who victimize young women.

And they know it.

 

[Crixus]

Hmm, that must mean you had the same experience with a guy. Thanks for the tip.

Many chicks have sadly. Abstinence is 100%, but we are talking about teenagers here.

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

Thats the thing, its out there, its available and its cheap. Whats not addressed in the political banter is that there are cultural issues as well as religious. Those are among the biggest that need to be adressed, but the STD's are the most dire. The unwanted child is not the huge issue, its the VD.

 

[Crixus]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

Bull shit. And thats you come off as crazy.

That's what all the brainwashed minions of progressive/Nazi policies say.

You are a crazy person. Likely one ot the 15 yearolds who got it on 3" away from your parents on the living room floor without birth control.

 

[Coyote]

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Many chicks have sadly. Abstinence is 100%, but we are talking about teenagers here.

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

If two 15 year olds have sex in the living room 3 feet from where you're sleeping, you're the pervert.

That's what I'm saying.

And what you and tommy taint are saying is that that is *normal* and should be accepted as such.

Teenagers having sex *is* "normal". Their bodies are maturing, their hormones are on, the brain lags behind. They've been doing this for millions of years. Parents just do their best to keep them from doing dumb things until they are mature enough to know better.

 

[Coyote]

Many chicks have sadly. Abstinence is 100%, but we are talking about teenagers here.

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

Thats the thing, its out there, its available and its cheap. Whats not addressed in the political banter is that there are cultural issues as well as religious. Those are among the biggest that need to be adressed, but the STD's are the most dire. The unwanted child is not the huge issue, its the VD.

VD is an issue, but I think pregnancy is a bigger issue.

 

[Crixus]

.

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

If two 15 year olds have sex in the living room 3 feet from where you're sleeping, you're the pervert.

That's what I'm saying.

And what you and tommy taint are saying is that that is *normal* and should be accepted as such.

Teenagers having sex *is* "normal". Their bodies are maturing, their hormones are on, the brain lags behind. They've been doing this for millions of years. Parents just do their best to keep them from doing dumb things until they are mature enough to know better.

yup.

 

[Crixus]

What? Teenagers are quite capable of exercising better judgment, when properly encouraged.

Some do, some don't.

What is known however, is that despite looking like and wanting to be adults, they aren't really. Important parts of the brain (those that control impulses and judgement) are not mature until around 25. Those are the factors involved in judgement of risky behavior and consequences. Why, for example is auto insurance higher for teens and young adults then for older adults?

What I find hard to understand is that we wouldn't think of having a 3 yr old learn about the "consequences" of a hot stove by upending a pot of boiling water on himself. We wouldn't trust the judgement of a 6 year old and send him across 6 lanes of traffic unaccompanied. Somehow though when it comes to teenagers and sex, we assume they are going to think and act like adults. The might or they might not. But it seems to me we shouldn't rely on it and there should be a Plan B for preventing pregnancy. Plan B shouldn't be a baby.

Again Coyote misses the mark.

What she says is that kids are thrown into sex on a regular basis...and if they get knocked up it's their parents' fault..not the fault of the perverts. And instead of going after the perverts for knocking up children, she thinks we should attack the parents for not providing adequate birth control against the eventuality of their kids' sexcapades.

Typical.

No, I'm not saying that

If two 15 yr olds have sex....who's the pervert?

And no, I'm not attacking the parents. I'm saying free bc should be available to those kids because some will eventually experiment with sex (as is confirmed by teen pregnancy statistics).

But keep on telling me what I'm "saying".

Thats the thing, its out there, its available and its cheap. Whats not addressed in the political banter is that there are cultural issues as well as religious. Those are among the biggest that need to be adressed, but the STD's are the most dire. The unwanted child is not the huge issue, its the VD.

VD is an issue, but I think pregnancy is a bigger issue.

Not really. its some scary shit. Say the kids get through the teenage years with no kid. awesome, but the HPV caused huge chunks to be cut out of the uterus, it can ruin ones chance at having a kid one day, or they can develop oral cancer among all the other shit it causes. They dont even take AIDS seriously anymore. A pregnancy can be dealt with pretty clean unless the scrape and suck happens. Long term affects of STD's are called long term for a reason.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

 

[Crixus]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

 

[koshergrl]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

No, the evidence of history shows that when the STATE began to interfere with social policies that *educated* children about sex, and provided young adults with birth control, the unwanted pregnancy rate SKYROCKETED.

That's what history shows us. I don't know what version you're looking at, but it is of course utter hogwash.

 

[koshergrl]

Its free over here - as it should be.Kids can also get the morning after pill for free in school as well.

There is still a problem with teen pregnancies though as sex education is sometimes lacking.

The biggest problem though is low self esteem. Why do so many 16 year old girls want to take on the responsibility of raising a child and all that entails ?

In my view there are several reasons.

1. They dont have anything better to do.
2. They genuinely want a baby.
3. They are pressured into having the baby by societal attitudes.
4. They are fucking stupid.

Free birth control and easy access through schools should be mandatory though.

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

Anyone who thinks it's okay to tell kids that they are expected to have sex before they are independent adults.

People like you.

 

[Crixus]

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

Anyone who thinks it's okay to tell kids that they are expected to have sex before they are independent adults.

People like you.

Your bible said it retard. The bible is that book you fakes run around with and try and quote, but never can because you refuse to read it. You are saying they are all perverts ? i mean, those guys even had sex with close relatives. Fact is, its you who is infatuated with sex.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

16 year old girls are told by perverts through the schools and through the media that it's natural to engage in risky sex, and that their entire female identity is tied to abortion and sex.

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

Anyone who thinks it's okay to tell kids that they are expected to have sex before they are independent adults.

People like you.

Ok, that explains a lot. I was thinking that there might be an army of paedos hanging around the school gates.

What you actually mean when you say perverts is people who accept that teenagers have been shagging since Noah was a lad and are looking for strategies to protect kids from the consequences of it.

Or,in other words, adults.

Havent you got a stoning to go to tonight ?

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

I think they want poor people breeding poor kids that one day the corporations can hire cheap. Also to fill fews.

But you are wrong about the pill being the best. Iud's are way more effective.

As a new Republican I would say the woman who's sexually active and poor has a choice to make. Why do we pay for free birth control? Because it saves us money. Welfare and food stamps and free insurance we give these mistakes. Not to mention crime.

Republicans need to realize birth control saves us money and lowers abortions

But it doesn't. Birth control is already almost free, yet here we are. Then there are all the other issues especially with IUD's that would need to be addressed that jacks up the cost of insurance.

The States With the Highest Teenage Birth Rates Have One Thing in Common

There's countless articles and studies here that conclude the same thing. Better sex ed+Better availability to birth control=lower pregnancy risk. The states teaching abstinence only are the ones with the highest pregnancy rates and worst STD infection rates. So it works, and works well.

So again, why are we being stupid about this as a people? If you don't pay for the birth control, you'll pay for the kid one way or another. Either through welfare, education, or incarceration. So go the cheaper route and pay for birth control.

I heard a piece on this very subject on NPR the other day. In red states where they don't teach sex ed, they see the highest birth rates and poverty and crime.

In other words even republican governors are starting to see the sense in teaching sex ed.

This is just another issue republicans made up to rile up their base. Just like today they worry about men peeing in girls bathrooms yesterday they were worried about teachers teaching their kids how to give a banana a blowjob.

 

[Crixus]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

I think they want poor people breeding poor kids that one day the corporations can hire cheap. Also to fill fews.

But you are wrong about the pill being the best. Iud's are way more effective.

As a new Republican I would say the woman who's sexually active and poor has a choice to make. Why do we pay for free birth control? Because it saves us money. Welfare and food stamps and free insurance we give these mistakes. Not to mention crime.

Republicans need to realize birth control saves us money and lowers abortions

But it doesn't. Birth control is already almost free, yet here we are. Then there are all the other issues especially with IUD's that would need to be addressed that jacks up the cost of insurance.

The States With the Highest Teenage Birth Rates Have One Thing in Common

There's countless articles and studies here that conclude the same thing. Better sex ed+Better availability to birth control=lower pregnancy risk. The states teaching abstinence only are the ones with the highest pregnancy rates and worst STD infection rates. So it works, and works well.

So again, why are we being stupid about this as a people? If you don't pay for the birth control, you'll pay for the kid one way or another. Either through welfare, education, or incarceration. So go the cheaper route and pay for birth control.

I heard a piece on this very subject on NPR the other day. In red states where they don't teach sex ed, they see the highest birth rates and poverty and crime.

In other words even republican governors are starting to see the sense in teaching sex ed.

This is just another issue republicans made up to rile up their base. Just like today they worry about men peeing in girls bathrooms yesterday they were worried about teachers teaching their kids how to give a banana a blowjob.

Pretty much yeah on this issue. Republican need to get over it.

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

I think they want poor people breeding poor kids that one day the corporations can hire cheap. Also to fill fews.

But you are wrong about the pill being the best. Iud's are way more effective.

As a new Republican I would say the woman who's sexually active and poor has a choice to make. Why do we pay for free birth control? Because it saves us money. Welfare and food stamps and free insurance we give these mistakes. Not to mention crime.

Republicans need to realize birth control saves us money and lowers abortions

But it doesn't. Birth control is already almost free, yet here we are. Then there are all the other issues especially with IUD's that would need to be addressed that jacks up the cost of insurance.

The States With the Highest Teenage Birth Rates Have One Thing in Common

There's countless articles and studies here that conclude the same thing. Better sex ed+Better availability to birth control=lower pregnancy risk. The states teaching abstinence only are the ones with the highest pregnancy rates and worst STD infection rates. So it works, and works well.

So again, why are we being stupid about this as a people? If you don't pay for the birth control, you'll pay for the kid one way or another. Either through welfare, education, or incarceration. So go the cheaper route and pay for birth control.

Cheaper for those who get it, but we folks who work have to pay more. Birth control is already cheap. You need only go to PPH website and look.

You are already paying. I do not understand how you fail to get this.

If a teen gets pregnant and goes to the hospital to give birth, chances are she won't be able to pay for the procedure. The hospital will be passing that cost on to you when you do come in for help. Or they'll pass it on to your insurance when others on your plan come in for help which will be passed on to you in the form of higher premiums.

Forget welfare, when that kid gets to school age YOU WILL PAY for his education through property taxes, or higher rents, or higher business costs when they have higher property taxes.

Unwed mothers frequently live in poverty and poverty is the single greatest indicator for a likelyhood to become incarcerated. When that kid becomes incarcerated, YOU WILL PAY to arrest him, try him, and lock him up in higher taxes.

At every single damn point of the kids life YOU WILL PAY for what happens because we as a people were too cheap to provide birth control. So stop being cheap and take the cheapest out. Pay for birth control.

If Trump or Rush explained it they would get it but they can't take common sense coming from a liberal. Too brainwashed to even see common sense. All because abortion in their eyes is MURDER!

In the past even birth control offended them. Not just abortion. I hope they are over that.

 

[sealybobo]

Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.

I think they want poor people breeding poor kids that one day the corporations can hire cheap. Also to fill fews.

But you are wrong about the pill being the best. Iud's are way more effective.

As a new Republican I would say the woman who's sexually active and poor has a choice to make. Why do we pay for free birth control? Because it saves us money. Welfare and food stamps and free insurance we give these mistakes. Not to mention crime.

Republicans need to realize birth control saves us money and lowers abortions

But it doesn't. Birth control is already almost free, yet here we are. Then there are all the other issues especially with IUD's that would need to be addressed that jacks up the cost of insurance.

The States With the Highest Teenage Birth Rates Have One Thing in Common

There's countless articles and studies here that conclude the same thing. Better sex ed+Better availability to birth control=lower pregnancy risk. The states teaching abstinence only are the ones with the highest pregnancy rates and worst STD infection rates. So it works, and works well.

So again, why are we being stupid about this as a people? If you don't pay for the birth control, you'll pay for the kid one way or another. Either through welfare, education, or incarceration. So go the cheaper route and pay for birth control.

Cheaper for those who get it, but we folks who work have to pay more. Birth control is already cheap. You need only go to PPH website and look.

Seriously, pay the $500 now so you don't have to pay thousands later.

 

[koshergrl]

Teenage girls have always wanted to be older than they actually are. And, in my experience, they always "know" too much to listen to good advice. Its all about protecting them from the consequences of their ignorance until they are old enough to know better.

The rest of it is a bigger issue and another debate.

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

Anyone who thinks it's okay to tell kids that they are expected to have sex before they are independent adults.

People like you.

Your bible said it retard. The bible is that book you fakes run around with and try and quote, but never can because you refuse to read it. You are saying they are all perverts ? i mean, those guys even had sex with close relatives. Fact is, its you who is infatuated with sex.

Why do you keep ranting about religion?

I haven't brought it up. Maybe you need to start a different thread?

I'm trying to help you. You sound like you need help.

 

[Crixus]

No, it's not.

You asked why 16 year old girls think it's cool to have sex before they're ready.

It's because perverts through the schools and the media tell them that's their purpose in life.

I dont think that is the case. I think you are edging in a political stance on this. The evidence of history is that teenagers want,or are, sexually active once they get the kit to do so.
Of course having the capability to do so doesnt mean that they should be doing so.
And so it is all about protecting them until they are old enough to look after themselves.
Who are these "perverts" that you are on about ?

Anyone who thinks sex is fun.

Anyone who thinks it's okay to tell kids that they are expected to have sex before they are independent adults.

People like you.

Your bible said it retard. The bible is that book you fakes run around with and try and quote, but never can because you refuse to read it. You are saying they are all perverts ? i mean, those guys even had sex with close relatives. Fact is, its you who is infatuated with sex.

Why do you keep ranting about religion?

I haven't brought it up. Maybe you need to start a different thread?

I'm trying to help you. You sound like you need help.

Because thats your usual shtick. You are also saying Abraham was an incest loving child molester. You need the help. You are no better then the libs you rail against because like them, you want someone else, anyone but you to be accountable for your kids and the messes they make. You need the help toots, not me. Me and my kids got through our teens pregnancy and VD free.