Why the fight against Birth Control?

When I think of things society should pay for - it's things that effect the public and public health. Birth control, vaccinations, education for example.

There are forces who would like to work on that as well, but they have to begin somewhere, that's why the very notions of community and a national unity are always under attack with fomented wedge rivalries. The masses must be dispersed and be kept squabling amongst themselves.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
In a just world I wouldn't pay to birth or feed your accidental child either. I consider those funds which are stolen from us as I'll gotten gains as well. Don't think that because we already pay for that shit that it's voluntary. Because I can assure that it isn't.
 
If a woman gets pregnant while using a condom, she should name the kid Houdini !!

Better yet, pill AND condom.

The Catholic Church is the main opponent of birth control.

The Protestants as well as Catholics are opposed to abortion.

They call it murder.

Murder is a statutory felony stipulated as enumerated with elements of proof in Federal, State, and Foreign law.

It pertains to the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought.

A fetus is not a human being, at least not until about the 7th month when it is viable outside of the womb.

Until the 7th month a fetus is just a parasitic growth inside a female's womb.

Removing parasites is everyone's right, male or female, old or young. This notion is self evident and as such a-priori.

Birth control is the prevention of such a parasite from attaching.

Sort of like insect repellant.

They call it murder.


It is murder what else would anyone with a fucking brain call it?


But like I give a damn kill as much liberals in the womb as possible is my philosophy.. Have at it baby killers.

There's a calmly reasoned conclusion, thanks.
 
Are you really incapable of a coherent reply?

Try again. Why such opposition to free birth control?
Probably because it isn't free at all. There are no wild birth control berry bushes where anyone could run out and gather pills and condoms.

Free, in this case, means someone else has to pay. Pay for your own birth control like you pay for your own lube.

Yet I have to pay for your children's vaccinations and education.

Not ours....

Then you are in the minority.

And I don't object to paying for those things either because it is in the interest of the greater good to have an educated (as best we can) populace.

We work and have healthcare benefits and refuse to let our children be exposed to public education.

I grew up in a rural area and even back in he 1990's birth control was free if someone drove 20 miles to the nearest public health clinic. Planned Parenthood receives 500 million dollars a year...let them furnish birth control....and cease focusing on killing innocents

I got mine from PP as well
And if that were truly your fight, you ought to be promoting free birth control. Lower rates of abortion and teen pregnancies in countries where that is offered.
I gave up promoting anything years ago, except clear thinking. Taking Birth control pharmaceuticals requires that you see a doctor. It's for the safety of the person taking it. You have to pay the doctor and for the pills because the people working to make them and working for the doctor, as well as the doctor have bills to pay, Bernie. You see, liberals always have simple minded and short sighted answers, which is why we have the mess we are in now, and skank hoes like Sandra Fluke.

So Sandra Fluke is a "skank" now because she spoke up in favor of birth control being offered for free?

The cost of having a baby is much higher then the cost of preventing a baby.
She's a skank libtard that wants to screw whoever without giving a thought to any consequences, just like all liberals.

But to answer your stupid, no she's not a skank now, she's always been one.

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
There are forces who would like to work on that as well, but they have to begin somewhere, that's why the very notions of community and a national unity are always under attack with fomented wedge rivalries. The masses must be dispersed and be kept squabling amongst themselves.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Viagra has no public health aspect to it. Condoms do, and they prevent the spread of certain diseases. I have no problem with that being offered for free either.

For those going on about paying for MY free blah blah blah - I have no need for it. But it's worth MY paying for it for others, along with education vaccination and preventative care because it will cost ME a lot less than paying for diabetes, heart disease, and the social cost of unwanted pregnancies.
 
There are forces who would like to work on that as well, but they have to begin somewhere, that's why the very notions of community and a national unity are always under attack with fomented wedge rivalries. The masses must be dispersed and be kept squabling amongst themselves.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
In a just world I wouldn't pay to birth or feed your accidental child either. I consider those funds which are stolen from us as I'll gotten gains as well. Don't think that because we already pay for that shit that it's voluntary. Because I can assure that it isn't.

So america really needs to come down and apart then? I mean that's what you're asserting here, societal collapse. We all do whatever we feel, everyone else in society be damned.
 
There are forces who would like to work on that as well, but they have to begin somewhere, that's why the very notions of community and a national unity are always under attack with fomented wedge rivalries. The masses must be dispersed and be kept squabling amongst themselves.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
In a just world I wouldn't pay to birth or feed your accidental child either. I consider those funds which are stolen from us as I'll gotten gains as well. Don't think that because we already pay for that shit that it's voluntary. Because I can assure that it isn't.

Let's just hope you and your family never fall on hard times and need some help, eh?
 
Probably because it isn't free at all. There are no wild birth control berry bushes where anyone could run out and gather pills and condoms.

Free, in this case, means someone else has to pay. Pay for your own birth control like you pay for your own lube.

Yet I have to pay for your children's vaccinations and education.

Not ours....

Then you are in the minority.

And I don't object to paying for those things either because it is in the interest of the greater good to have an educated (as best we can) populace.

We work and have healthcare benefits and refuse to let our children be exposed to public education.

I grew up in a rural area and even back in he 1990's birth control was free if someone drove 20 miles to the nearest public health clinic. Planned Parenthood receives 500 million dollars a year...let them furnish birth control....and cease focusing on killing innocents

I got mine from PP as well
I gave up promoting anything years ago, except clear thinking. Taking Birth control pharmaceuticals requires that you see a doctor. It's for the safety of the person taking it. You have to pay the doctor and for the pills because the people working to make them and working for the doctor, as well as the doctor have bills to pay, Bernie. You see, liberals always have simple minded and short sighted answers, which is why we have the mess we are in now, and skank hoes like Sandra Fluke.

So Sandra Fluke is a "skank" now because she spoke up in favor of birth control being offered for free?

The cost of having a baby is much higher then the cost of preventing a baby.
She's a skank libtard that wants to screw whoever without giving a thought to any consequences, just like all liberals.

But to answer your stupid, no she's not a skank now, she's always been one.

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Viagra has no public health aspect to it. Condoms do, and they prevent the spread of certain diseases. I have no problem with that being offered for free either.

For those going on about paying for MY free blah blah blah - I have no need for it. But it's worth MY paying for it for others, along with education vaccination and preventative care because it will cost ME a lot less than paying for diabetes, heart disease, and the social cost of unwanted pregnancies.
Youd be more believable if you were going out teaching sex ed voluntarily, and hand ing out BC, at your own expense. But that is far from what you're talking about. Put your money, and time where your mouth is. No one will stop you.
 
Nothing in the ACA is free. Every item everyone decides needs to be "free" simply increase the costs of health care for everyone else. The requirement to treat preexisting conditions causes a rise in costs. Allowing people to stay on their parents' insurance plans until they're 26 increases the costs. "Free" birth control increases the costs. All of this is distorting the health care market.

The biggest problem with the ACA is that it exists at all. These massive insurance plans requiring all of these different coverages many people don't even need is why the Affordable Care Act is so very unaffordable for so many people. How much do you your car insurance would cost if it covered every oil change and tire replacement? Get insurance and the government out of the health care business and you'll see health care costs plummet.

I think certain things might increase the cost short term but reduce costs long term and birth control is one of those (as are other preventative costs). The costs of unwanted children is high, so is the cost of abortion, and the cost of teen pregnancies the cycle that perpetuates.

I think the best thing they could do is make birth control pills over the counter. That would help considerably and make it cheaper.
There are quite a few serious contraindications for oral contraceptives.
 
Probably because it isn't free at all. There are no wild birth control berry bushes where anyone could run out and gather pills and condoms.

Free, in this case, means someone else has to pay. Pay for your own birth control like you pay for your own lube.

Yet I have to pay for your children's vaccinations and education.

Not ours....

Then you are in the minority.

And I don't object to paying for those things either because it is in the interest of the greater good to have an educated (as best we can) populace.

We work and have healthcare benefits and refuse to let our children be exposed to public education.

I grew up in a rural area and even back in he 1990's birth control was free if someone drove 20 miles to the nearest public health clinic. Planned Parenthood receives 500 million dollars a year...let them furnish birth control....and cease focusing on killing innocents

I got mine from PP as well
I gave up promoting anything years ago, except clear thinking. Taking Birth control pharmaceuticals requires that you see a doctor. It's for the safety of the person taking it. You have to pay the doctor and for the pills because the people working to make them and working for the doctor, as well as the doctor have bills to pay, Bernie. You see, liberals always have simple minded and short sighted answers, which is why we have the mess we are in now, and skank hoes like Sandra Fluke.

So Sandra Fluke is a "skank" now because she spoke up in favor of birth control being offered for free?

The cost of having a baby is much higher then the cost of preventing a baby.
She's a skank libtard that wants to screw whoever without giving a thought to any consequences, just like all liberals.

But to answer your stupid, no she's not a skank now, she's always been one.

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
Actually a man that went around bellyaching that he wanted the public to pay for his viagra and condoms is a skank too.

Viagra has no public health aspect to it. Condoms do, and they prevent the spread of certain diseases. I have no problem with that being offered for free either.

For those going on about paying for MY free blah blah blah - I have no need for it. But it's worth MY paying for it for others, along with education vaccination and preventative care because it will cost ME a lot less than paying for diabetes, heart disease, and the social cost of unwanted pregnancies.
Then you pay for it. Here's an idea. Everytime you see some hot babe, give her a 20 and tell her you want to pay for her birth control.
 
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
In a just world I wouldn't pay to birth or feed your accidental child either. I consider those funds which are stolen from us as I'll gotten gains as well. Don't think that because we already pay for that shit that it's voluntary. Because I can assure that it isn't.

Let's just hope you and your family never fall on hard times and need some help, eh?
I've been on hard times. And I helped myself. I'm a stronger person for it as well.
 
Nothing in the ACA is free. Every item everyone decides needs to be "free" simply increase the costs of health care for everyone else. The requirement to treat preexisting conditions causes a rise in costs. Allowing people to stay on their parents' insurance plans until they're 26 increases the costs. "Free" birth control increases the costs. All of this is distorting the health care market.

The biggest problem with the ACA is that it exists at all. These massive insurance plans requiring all of these different coverages many people don't even need is why the Affordable Care Act is so very unaffordable for so many people. How much do you your car insurance would cost if it covered every oil change and tire replacement? Get insurance and the government out of the health care business and you'll see health care costs plummet.

I think certain things might increase the cost short term but reduce costs long term and birth control is one of those (as are other preventative costs). The costs of unwanted children is high, so is the cost of abortion, and the cost of teen pregnancies the cycle that perpetuates.

I think the best thing they could do is make birth control pills over the counter. That would help considerably and make it cheaper.
There are quite a few serious contraindications for oral contraceptives.

The thread is focusing on female birth control...the guys need to be taking responsibility also
 
Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
The problem is it is a lifestyle issue, not a healthcare issue. Are you going to provide free helmets for motorcyclists?
 
And if that were truly your fight, you ought to be promoting free birth control. Lower rates of abortion and teen pregnancies in countries where that is offered.
I gave up promoting anything years ago, except clear thinking. Taking Birth control pharmaceuticals requires that you see a doctor. It's for the safety of the person taking it. You have to pay the doctor and for the pills because the people working to make them and working for the doctor, as well as the doctor have bills to pay, Bernie. You see, liberals always have simple minded and short sighted answers, which is why we have the mess we are in now, and skank hoes like Sandra Fluke.

So Sandra Fluke is a "skank" now because she spoke up in favor of birth control being offered for free?

The cost of having a baby is much higher then the cost of preventing a baby.
She's a skank libtard that wants to screw whoever without giving a thought to any consequences, just like all liberals.

But to answer your stupid, no she's not a skank now, she's always been one.

I see. So, a woman who wants to be able have sex when she feels like it, something men have always been able to do...is a skank.
There are forces who would like to work on that as well, but they have to begin somewhere, that's why the very notions of community and a national unity are always under attack with fomented wedge rivalries. The masses must be dispersed and be kept squabling amongst themselves.
Birth control is not public health, although in your case I may be mistaken. Becoming pregnant without being prepared for the life long job of parenting is completely irresponsible, something that brands all you libs.

Birth control is a matter of public health because unwanted pregnancies cost the public.
Correction. Irresponsible entitlement prices are a matter of public health. Education, and responsibility is the answer.

Education and responsibility are part of the package but obviously they don't work well enough.

I think you don't realize what all public health involves, a large part of it is prevention. It's more expensive to wait until you have to deal with the consequences of not preventing something (short term thinking ie you guys vs. long term thinking).

What is Public Health?
Public health promotes and protects the health of people and the communities where they live, learn, work and play.


While a doctor treats people who are sick, those of us working in public health try to prevent people from getting sick or injured in the first place. We also promote wellness by encouraging healthy behaviors.


From conducting scientific research to educating about health, people in the field of public health work to assure the conditions in which people can be healthy. That can mean vaccinating children and adults to prevent the spread of disease. Or educating people about the risks of alcohol and tobacco. Public health sets safety standards to protect workers and develops school nutrition programs to ensure kids have access to healthy food.


Public health works to track disease outbreaks, prevent injuries and shed light on why some of us are more likely to suffer from poor health than others. The many facets of public health include speaking out for laws that promote smoke-free indoor air and seatbelts, spreading the word about ways to stay healthy and giving science-based solutions to problems.
You want sex for pleasure? BUY your own birth control.

And you've never had any govt healthcare?
 
Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
The problem is it is a lifestyle issue, not a healthcare issue. Are you going to provide free helmets for motorcyclists?

Who needs helmets in freedumb america.
 
Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
The problem is it is a lifestyle issue, not a healthcare issue. Are you going to provide free helmets for motorcyclists?

I disagree, it's not a lifestyle issue. For example birth control is used by married people. Reproduction and sex are pretty hardwired in our species. In terms of cost/benefit - it makes sense to provide free birth control and it certainly seems to correlate with lower rates of teen pregnancies and abortion.
 
Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
Are really this fucking delusional?
Are you really incapable of a coherent reply?

Try again. Why such opposition to free birth control?
Probably because it isn't free at all. There are no wild birth control berry bushes where anyone could run out and gather pills and condoms.

Free, in this case, means someone else has to pay. Pay for your own birth control like you pay for your own lube.

Yet I have to pay for your children's vaccinations and education.
Because someone thought an educated populace was a general benefit. Stopping killer epidemics was a general benefit. Birth control is not a general benefit. If you don't want to pay for birth control interview your sex partners for sterility. Don't have heterosexual intercourse. There is simply no argument at all for public payment of birth control.

Get one of those little charity boxes and put them in stores like is done for MS and breast cancer. The public could put in spare change to support free birth control.
Unfortunately, instead of educators teaching the young to be responsible for their own behaviour, they now tell them anything goes, literally, and not to worry because someone else will pick up the tab.
 
Yet you don't rail against free vaccinations. Only birth control. Or, let's be specific - birth control for women. Seems to me birth control IS taking responsibility.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Vaccinations save your life. BC does not.

Actually, a number of diseases that we vaccinate for aren't necessarily lethal to most people.
 
Seriously...I just don't get it.

What's wrong with letting women have it?

The argument that they shouldn't have it free doesn't fly. ACA includes a bunch of different free items: Preventive care benefits for adults - but I have yet to hear an argument against aspirin or vaccinations being offered and birth control is a relatively cheap thing to offer.

The Pill is, as of this time, the most reliable method of pregnancy prevention. Yes...abstinence itself works, but isn't realistic as few people stick with it and, frankly, why should they if the pill can offer a more reliable option if they don't want to be abstinent? There is a direct correlation between preventing unwanted pregnancies, particularly teens, and the availability of reliable contraception.
The problem is it is a lifestyle issue, not a healthcare issue. Are you going to provide free helmets for motorcyclists?

I disagree, it's not a lifestyle issue. For example birth control is used by married people. Reproduction and sex are pretty hardwired in our species. In terms of cost/benefit - it makes sense to provide free birth control and it certainly seems to correlate with lower rates of teen pregnancies and abortion.

Appealing to rational coherent thought will probably get you nowhere in this room. They just want food fights here.
 
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When I think of things society should pay for - it's things that effect the public and public health. Birth control, vaccinations, education for example.

BC is about personal recreational pleasure. Can you pay for my movie ticket? My next album I download from iTunes?

Are you biologically hard wired to download albums?


(on second thought, maybe I don't want to know the answer...)
 

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