Why The Left Loves Socialism

[NCC1701]

yes, the reason we have dictionary definitions, is because the right wing has lousy reading comprehension.

otherwise, we know that socialism starts with a social contract.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

You've become a laughing stock in this thread and I feel it's now beneath my dignity to respond to you further. If you happen to stumble upon a rational argument, I may change my mind, but as of now I am going to disregard your posts.

Just projection?

Government Is Social-ism.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

I don't know of one single Communist country that ever existed longer than about 10 minutes. It's like Democracy, works fine in small numbers but if those numbers grow then you are in serious trouble. The US is NOT a Democracy and never has been. China and the old Soviet Union were NEVER communist governed either.

but they were state command and control economies, far closer to a communist ideal than anything

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

 

[Don Foreskeen]

Freeloaders love socialism

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

We have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

The best almost socialist countries would be the Scandinavian countries. You can still own a business like SAAB or a host of others but all transporation like Trains and Airports are owned by the government. So are the schools, public utilities and more. And their education blows ours away.

In those countries, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to a living wage, decent housing, decent job. They even have the right to vacation rubbing elbows with the rich. You want to spend your vacation cruising up and down the Feords, go for it, it's payed for. You want to travel? All of it may not be paid for but you make enough to afford it.

No, be definition, Sweden isn't all Socialist. But it's pretty danged close. I doubt if there ever could be a true "Socialist" country that last very long. Just like there can never be a complete Corporate form of the government either. Successful Governments are a mix.

Go south of a Republic and you end up with the Government being run by the Corporations. We are headed that way very fast right now. Luckily, it's not the first time it's headed that way. It almost always drifts back to the center. The US has also almost been a Socialist country but that drifted back to the center as well. We just need to be careful to do it gently. Not like it's being tried right now. We need to take our time to develop the ideas first.

BTW, placing those tariffs are socialist behavior. Imagine that, a bunch of Right Wing Nutzoids are trying to do a serious Socialist action. Believe it or not, I would like to see much of Asia given at least a 20% tariff but not Japan and South Korea who mostly play by the rules because we have tariffed them before. Mail China, the Maylasias, Vietnam and a few others that play very, very loose. Those high end Nikes only cost 6 bucks to make, you know.

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You've become a laughing stock in this thread and I feel it's now beneath my dignity to respond to you further. If you happen to stumble upon a rational argument, I may change my mind, but as of now I am going to disregard your posts.

Just projection?

Government Is Social-ism.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

I don't know of one single Communist country that ever existed longer than about 10 minutes. It's like Democracy, works fine in small numbers but if those numbers grow then you are in serious trouble. The US is NOT a Democracy and never has been. China and the old Soviet Union were NEVER communist governed either.

but they were state command and control economies, far closer to a communist ideal than anything

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

You mean when the Government said what you could eat and what you needed to sell to the Government? My family (both sides) were involved in Agriculture during those times.

One Grandfather owned a Diary. He could use all the milk produced as long as it was separated (separate the milk from the cream). The Cream was sold to the government after it was made into Cheeze or was processed for canning. The Bulls (not the breeders) were castrated to steers. He was allowed the slaughter of ONE of those per year.

My other Grandfather was a Rancher. He was allowed the same number (one) cow slaughtered per year. He also raised Sheep like most ranchers of the time but the Government wasn't interested in Lamb.

Sure does sound like Socialism bordering on Communism to me.

 

[my2¢]

In the Green Promise my favorite scene is the sermon Walter Brennan's character sleeps through. The preacher tears into individualism that Breenan is guilty of, and the children are left rolling their eyes upon exiting the church and hearing him congratulate the preacher on his fine sermon.

The last time I watched the movie that scene was missing from version they were showing. Or perhaps I may have been the one caught napping.

 

[NCC1701]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

We have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

The best almost socialist countries would be the Scandinavian countries. You can still own a business like SAAB or a host of others but all transporation like Trains and Airports are owned by the government. So are the schools, public utilities and more. And their education blows ours away.

In those countries, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to a living wage, decent housing, decent job. They even have the right to vacation rubbing elbows with the rich. You want to spend your vacation cruising up and down the Feords, go for it, it's payed for. You want to travel? All of it may not be paid for but you make enough to afford it.

No, be definition, Sweden isn't all Socialist. But it's pretty danged close. I doubt if there ever could be a true "Socialist" country that last very long. Just like there can never be a complete Corporate form of the government either. Successful Governments are a mix.

Go south of a Republic and you end up with the Government being run by the Corporations. We are headed that way very fast right now. Luckily, it's not the first time it's headed that way. It almost always drifts back to the center. The US has also almost been a Socialist country but that drifted back to the center as well. We just need to be careful to do it gently. Not like it's being tried right now. We need to take our time to develop the ideas first.

BTW, placing those tariffs are socialist behavior. Imagine that, a bunch of Right Wing Nutzoids are trying to do a serious Socialist action. Believe it or not, I would like to see much of Asia given at least a 20% tariff but not Japan and South Korea who mostly play by the rules because we have tariffed them before. Mail China, the Maylasias, Vietnam and a few others that play very, very loose. Those high end Nikes only cost 6 bucks to make, you know.

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland by a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

 

[NCC1701]

Just projection?

Government Is Social-ism.

Can you name one nation-state that is "communist or socialist" that does Not have Government. It really is that simple; except to the fantastical, right wing.

I don't know of one single Communist country that ever existed longer than about 10 minutes. It's like Democracy, works fine in small numbers but if those numbers grow then you are in serious trouble. The US is NOT a Democracy and never has been. China and the old Soviet Union were NEVER communist governed either.

but they were state command and control economies, far closer to a communist ideal than anything

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

You mean when the Government said what you could eat and what you needed to sell to the Government? My family (both sides) were involved in Agriculture during those times.

One Grandfather owned a Diary. He could use all the milk produced as long as it was separated (separate the milk from the cream). The Cream was sold to the government after it was made into Cheeze or was processed for canning. The Bulls (not the breeders) were castrated to steers. He was allowed the slaughter of ONE of those per year.

My other Grandfather was a Rancher. He was allowed the same number (one) cow slaughtered per year. He also raised Sheep like most ranchers of the time but the Government wasn't interested in Lamb.

Sure does sound like Socialism bordering on Communism to me.

might sound like it to you, but Stalin would have simply owned your farms had you been in Russia, government meddling in markets is not the same as all out communism.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Socialism as a method of operating a nation has been shown to be a failure.
If you want socialism, move to a socialist country.

We have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

The best almost socialist countries would be the Scandinavian countries. You can still own a business like SAAB or a host of others but all transporation like Trains and Airports are owned by the government. So are the schools, public utilities and more. And their education blows ours away.

In those countries, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to a living wage, decent housing, decent job. They even have the right to vacation rubbing elbows with the rich. You want to spend your vacation cruising up and down the Feords, go for it, it's payed for. You want to travel? All of it may not be paid for but you make enough to afford it.

No, be definition, Sweden isn't all Socialist. But it's pretty danged close. I doubt if there ever could be a true "Socialist" country that last very long. Just like there can never be a complete Corporate form of the government either. Successful Governments are a mix.

Go south of a Republic and you end up with the Government being run by the Corporations. We are headed that way very fast right now. Luckily, it's not the first time it's headed that way. It almost always drifts back to the center. The US has also almost been a Socialist country but that drifted back to the center as well. We just need to be careful to do it gently. Not like it's being tried right now. We need to take our time to develop the ideas first.

BTW, placing those tariffs are socialist behavior. Imagine that, a bunch of Right Wing Nutzoids are trying to do a serious Socialist action. Believe it or not, I would like to see much of Asia given at least a 20% tariff but not Japan and South Korea who mostly play by the rules because we have tariffed them before. Mail China, the Maylasias, Vietnam and a few others that play very, very loose. Those high end Nikes only cost 6 bucks to make, you know.

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland ny a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

Yet, ALL lag behind in things like Math. The 17th place is an overall rating instead of cherry picking one subject with one group. We don't even cover Civics like we once did. And since it barely touched, MOST 20 somethings haven't got a clue who the VP of the US is. But they can tell you how the Game of Thrones ended and every episode.

 

[NCC1701]

We have the Best form of Socialism in the Entire World.

The best almost socialist countries would be the Scandinavian countries. You can still own a business like SAAB or a host of others but all transporation like Trains and Airports are owned by the government. So are the schools, public utilities and more. And their education blows ours away.

In those countries, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to a living wage, decent housing, decent job. They even have the right to vacation rubbing elbows with the rich. You want to spend your vacation cruising up and down the Feords, go for it, it's payed for. You want to travel? All of it may not be paid for but you make enough to afford it.

No, be definition, Sweden isn't all Socialist. But it's pretty danged close. I doubt if there ever could be a true "Socialist" country that last very long. Just like there can never be a complete Corporate form of the government either. Successful Governments are a mix.

Go south of a Republic and you end up with the Government being run by the Corporations. We are headed that way very fast right now. Luckily, it's not the first time it's headed that way. It almost always drifts back to the center. The US has also almost been a Socialist country but that drifted back to the center as well. We just need to be careful to do it gently. Not like it's being tried right now. We need to take our time to develop the ideas first.

BTW, placing those tariffs are socialist behavior. Imagine that, a bunch of Right Wing Nutzoids are trying to do a serious Socialist action. Believe it or not, I would like to see much of Asia given at least a 20% tariff but not Japan and South Korea who mostly play by the rules because we have tariffed them before. Mail China, the Maylasias, Vietnam and a few others that play very, very loose. Those high end Nikes only cost 6 bucks to make, you know.

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland ny a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

Yet, ALL lag behind in things like Math. The 17th place is an overall rating instead of cherry picking one subject with one group. We don't even cover Civics like we once did. And since it barely touched, MOST 20 somethings haven't got a clue who the VP of the US is. But they can tell you how the Game of Thrones ended and every episode.

no, white americans are ahead of Norway and Sweden in math, the cherry picking is very relevant as blacks will fail no matter what school they go to, so it isn't the schools it is the shitty students

 

[Daryl Hunt]

I don't know of one single Communist country that ever existed longer than about 10 minutes. It's like Democracy, works fine in small numbers but if those numbers grow then you are in serious trouble. The US is NOT a Democracy and never has been. China and the old Soviet Union were NEVER communist governed either.

but they were state command and control economies, far closer to a communist ideal than anything

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

You mean when the Government said what you could eat and what you needed to sell to the Government? My family (both sides) were involved in Agriculture during those times.

One Grandfather owned a Diary. He could use all the milk produced as long as it was separated (separate the milk from the cream). The Cream was sold to the government after it was made into Cheeze or was processed for canning. The Bulls (not the breeders) were castrated to steers. He was allowed the slaughter of ONE of those per year.

My other Grandfather was a Rancher. He was allowed the same number (one) cow slaughtered per year. He also raised Sheep like most ranchers of the time but the Government wasn't interested in Lamb.

Sure does sound like Socialism bordering on Communism to me.

might sound like it to you, but Stalin would have simply owned your farms had you been in Russia, government meddling in markets is not the same as all out communism.

Under Stalin, it was tried where each farmer got X number of acres that was uncontrolled. Sounded good except those free acres out produced the entire hundreds of acres. It was stopped. It was tried again after Stalin died. Didn't work out any better but it stayed until the breakup where the farms reverted back to the farmers. They even tried to get the farmers away from the horse drawn rigs. The Government bought them brand new Tractors with all the fun toys. What did they use the Tractor for? They would drive it into town for supplies and Vodka. Meanwhile, they still used the horse drawn implements to farm.

In order to make communism last longer than a few months, it has to be forced and that is exactly what Lenin and Stalin did. In the US, the term Robber Barons was where the Corporations controlled the Governments both State and Federal. The difference is, it was much easier for the US to move away from it than it was for the USSR.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The best almost socialist countries would be the Scandinavian countries. You can still own a business like SAAB or a host of others but all transporation like Trains and Airports are owned by the government. So are the schools, public utilities and more. And their education blows ours away.

In those countries, EVERYONE has the RIGHT to a living wage, decent housing, decent job. They even have the right to vacation rubbing elbows with the rich. You want to spend your vacation cruising up and down the Feords, go for it, it's payed for. You want to travel? All of it may not be paid for but you make enough to afford it.

No, be definition, Sweden isn't all Socialist. But it's pretty danged close. I doubt if there ever could be a true "Socialist" country that last very long. Just like there can never be a complete Corporate form of the government either. Successful Governments are a mix.

Go south of a Republic and you end up with the Government being run by the Corporations. We are headed that way very fast right now. Luckily, it's not the first time it's headed that way. It almost always drifts back to the center. The US has also almost been a Socialist country but that drifted back to the center as well. We just need to be careful to do it gently. Not like it's being tried right now. We need to take our time to develop the ideas first.

BTW, placing those tariffs are socialist behavior. Imagine that, a bunch of Right Wing Nutzoids are trying to do a serious Socialist action. Believe it or not, I would like to see much of Asia given at least a 20% tariff but not Japan and South Korea who mostly play by the rules because we have tariffed them before. Mail China, the Maylasias, Vietnam and a few others that play very, very loose. Those high end Nikes only cost 6 bucks to make, you know.

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland ny a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

Yet, ALL lag behind in things like Math. The 17th place is an overall rating instead of cherry picking one subject with one group. We don't even cover Civics like we once did. And since it barely touched, MOST 20 somethings haven't got a clue who the VP of the US is. But they can tell you how the Game of Thrones ended and every episode.

no, white americans are ahead of Norway and Sweden in math, the cherry picking is very relevant as blacks will fail no matter what school they go to, so it isn't the schools it is the shitty students

Please check your racism at the door. It make makes you look silly. Since the White Population make about 60% of the population, that means the Blacks, Asians, Indian, Latinos are completely illiterate to allow your kind of numbers. I just happen to know a group from each of those minorities and they read quite well and speak fluently. I also know some that aren't so lucky.

 

[NCC1701]

their education doesn't blow our away

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland ny a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

Yet, ALL lag behind in things like Math. The 17th place is an overall rating instead of cherry picking one subject with one group. We don't even cover Civics like we once did. And since it barely touched, MOST 20 somethings haven't got a clue who the VP of the US is. But they can tell you how the Game of Thrones ended and every episode.

no, white americans are ahead of Norway and Sweden in math, the cherry picking is very relevant as blacks will fail no matter what school they go to, so it isn't the schools it is the shitty students

Please check your racism at the door. It make makes you look silly. Since the White Population make about 60% of the population, that means the Blacks, Asians, Indian, Latinos are completely illiterate to allow your kind of numbers. I just happen to know a group from each of those minorities and they read quite well and speak fluently. I also know some that aren't so lucky.

please check your meaningless anecdotes at the door, I don't give a shit about your 'minority friends'. You think facts are silly? you must be a member of the liberal religion, the facts are that American whites do just fine so it isn't our schools, it is that minorities can't compete

 

[NCC1701]

but they were state command and control economies, far closer to a communist ideal than anything

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

You mean when the Government said what you could eat and what you needed to sell to the Government? My family (both sides) were involved in Agriculture during those times.

One Grandfather owned a Diary. He could use all the milk produced as long as it was separated (separate the milk from the cream). The Cream was sold to the government after it was made into Cheeze or was processed for canning. The Bulls (not the breeders) were castrated to steers. He was allowed the slaughter of ONE of those per year.

My other Grandfather was a Rancher. He was allowed the same number (one) cow slaughtered per year. He also raised Sheep like most ranchers of the time but the Government wasn't interested in Lamb.

Sure does sound like Socialism bordering on Communism to me.

might sound like it to you, but Stalin would have simply owned your farms had you been in Russia, government meddling in markets is not the same as all out communism.

Under Stalin, it was tried where each farmer got X number of acres that was uncontrolled. Sounded good except those free acres out produced the entire hundreds of acres. It was stopped. It was tried again after Stalin died. Didn't work out any better but it stayed until the breakup where the farms reverted back to the farmers. They even tried to get the farmers away from the horse drawn rigs. The Government bought them brand new Tractors with all the fun toys. What did they use the Tractor for? They would drive it into town for supplies and Vodka. Meanwhile, they still used the horse drawn implements to farm.

In order to make communism last longer than a few months, it has to be forced and that is exactly what Lenin and Stalin did. In the US, the term Robber Barons was where the Corporations controlled the Governments both State and Federal. The difference is, it was much easier for the US to move away from it than it was for the USSR.

and you just made my point, at no point were we like the USSR and close to communism since we always had some freedom, all your hand wavy bullshit about corporations aside

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Ranking the World’s Educational Systems

We’ve just listed the first 10 below – scroll through the whole graphic to see all of the countries examined in the report.

1. South Korea
2. Japan
3. Singapore
4. Hong Kong
5. Finland
6. UK
7. Canada
8. Netherlands
9. Ireland
10. Poland

The US is rated 17 on the list. But it is listed as 3rd on the cost of education.

the schools are fine, it is the students in them

if you break the US down by race, white kids outscore Sweden and Norway on the PISA, lag finland ny a small amount.

PISA reading scores by race: America does pretty well

Yet, ALL lag behind in things like Math. The 17th place is an overall rating instead of cherry picking one subject with one group. We don't even cover Civics like we once did. And since it barely touched, MOST 20 somethings haven't got a clue who the VP of the US is. But they can tell you how the Game of Thrones ended and every episode.

no, white americans are ahead of Norway and Sweden in math, the cherry picking is very relevant as blacks will fail no matter what school they go to, so it isn't the schools it is the shitty students

Please check your racism at the door. It make makes you look silly. Since the White Population make about 60% of the population, that means the Blacks, Asians, Indian, Latinos are completely illiterate to allow your kind of numbers. I just happen to know a group from each of those minorities and they read quite well and speak fluently. I also know some that aren't so lucky.

please check your meaningless anecdotes at the door, I don't give a shit about your 'minority friends'. You think facts are silly? you must be a member of the liberal religion, the facts are that American whites do just fine so it isn't our schools, it is that minorities can't compete

I guess since I am north of a Closet Axe Carrying Homicidal Maniac I must be a lefty. In reality, I am a Fiscal Conservative. You are a Social Conservative and exactly what Jefferson and others warned us against.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Even the US has been there. We have also been on the other side of the coin. Before FDR, the US was controlled by the really big and powerful Corporation. Then we slid back and almost went Socialist for awhile (enter WWI and II).

no we were not state command and control ever, now you simply are making shit up

You mean when the Government said what you could eat and what you needed to sell to the Government? My family (both sides) were involved in Agriculture during those times.

One Grandfather owned a Diary. He could use all the milk produced as long as it was separated (separate the milk from the cream). The Cream was sold to the government after it was made into Cheeze or was processed for canning. The Bulls (not the breeders) were castrated to steers. He was allowed the slaughter of ONE of those per year.

My other Grandfather was a Rancher. He was allowed the same number (one) cow slaughtered per year. He also raised Sheep like most ranchers of the time but the Government wasn't interested in Lamb.

Sure does sound like Socialism bordering on Communism to me.

might sound like it to you, but Stalin would have simply owned your farms had you been in Russia, government meddling in markets is not the same as all out communism.

Under Stalin, it was tried where each farmer got X number of acres that was uncontrolled. Sounded good except those free acres out produced the entire hundreds of acres. It was stopped. It was tried again after Stalin died. Didn't work out any better but it stayed until the breakup where the farms reverted back to the farmers. They even tried to get the farmers away from the horse drawn rigs. The Government bought them brand new Tractors with all the fun toys. What did they use the Tractor for? They would drive it into town for supplies and Vodka. Meanwhile, they still used the horse drawn implements to farm.

In order to make communism last longer than a few months, it has to be forced and that is exactly what Lenin and Stalin did. In the US, the term Robber Barons was where the Corporations controlled the Governments both State and Federal. The difference is, it was much easier for the US to move away from it than it was for the USSR.

and you just made my point, at no point were we like the USSR and close to communism since we always had some freedom, all your hand wavy bullshit about corporations aside

No but from time to time, the US has been the other side of that bad penny.

 

[AntonToo]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Except the military is not a socialist organization.

Sorry... it's just NOT.

Of course it is - it is centrally controlled organization paid for in entirety by compulsive taxation. How do you get an economic arrangement MORE socialist than that???

And before you start talking about how Constitution provides for it (you rightwingers always do) - DON'T. Socialism and Capitalism is not defined by constitutionality, it is defined by economic structure.

As I said before, I can see where people get this idea. Read that again so you understand me... I can see where you get that idea. Is that computing in your brain? That I actually see and realize how you can think this way and I understand? I think it's important that you realize that before reading further.

Here is why it's NOT socialism: The military in our country is an establishment under an enumerated power of congress. We (self-governing people) gave congress permission to do this as a responsibility of our federal government. So this is not something government did of it's own volition, it is something we agreed to allow our government to do as a necessary responsibility of government. The military system itself is not Socialist because it doesn't serve it's own social needs and purpose, it serves the needs of the country. The military doesn't do what it does for the sake of itself.

Now, one can make the argument that many facets of the military and how it functions are similar to Socialism or are "socialistic" in nature, but that does not mean they are "Socialist" unless you are perverting the definition of Socialism or misunderstanding the relationship between the people and the government they established.

Ok you CLEARLY do not understand what socialism is. It is defined STRICTLY in the economic dimension.

so·cial·ism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Now tell me, what in your description of military contradicts that definition? It is certainly not the way American community as a whole has indirect input on it.

Nothing about our military is capitalistic, it is fundamentally not driven by the private chase of the profit, but by central command of the government.

 

[danielpalos]

Considering Americans don't even have a socialist party I would say they don't love it all. A better question might be why are right wingers so paranoid and afraid of socialism?

Now why would Purple Owl lie, other than that is typical of Marxism/Socialism/Fascism/Liberalism/Progressivism? They even have their own website. I think soon, that there will be a war like the one back in the late 1800's between ideology. Those that believe in God and Guns against those who believe in government and don't like guns. Guess who will win?


Socialist Party USA - Home

THE SOCIALIST PARTY strives to establish a radical democracy that places people's lives under their own control - a non-racist, classless, feminist socialist society... where working people own and control the means of production and distribution through democratically-controlled public agencies, cooperatives, or other collective groups.; where full employment is realized for everyone who wants to work; where workers have the right to form unions freely, and to strike and engage in other forms of job actions; and where the production of society is used for the benefit of all humanity, not for the private profit of a few. We believe socialism and democracy are one and indivisible...

Just shows how stupid people have to be, to believe that Socialism would be good for them.

Of course socialism always ends the same way, just look at Venezuela.

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there is also an american nazi party..... why does the right love fascism?

Check the roles on The American Nazi Party. They are full of liberals and Dems.
Same with The KKK. Founded by Dems, populated by Dems, supported by Dems.
Dems are closet racists and bigots who had to go underground after The GOP passed The Civil Rights Act.

they switched sides after the civil rights act everyone knows that.... fascism is right wing as all dictionaries and encyclopedia say and other than not liking to be affiliated with genocide your a fascist

No it is not. Fascism is collectivism. Left wing

nope; fascism is socialism on a national basis. it is right wing.

 

[NCC1701]

I liked being in a socialist organization, the military...

Except the military is not a socialist organization.

Sorry... it's just NOT.

Of course it is - it is centrally controlled organization paid for in entirety by compulsive taxation. How do you get an economic arrangement MORE socialist than that???

And before you start talking about how Constitution provides for it (you rightwingers always do) - DON'T. Socialism and Capitalism is not defined by constitutionality, it is defined by economic structure.

As I said before, I can see where people get this idea. Read that again so you understand me... I can see where you get that idea. Is that computing in your brain? That I actually see and realize how you can think this way and I understand? I think it's important that you realize that before reading further.

Here is why it's NOT socialism: The military in our country is an establishment under an enumerated power of congress. We (self-governing people) gave congress permission to do this as a responsibility of our federal government. So this is not something government did of it's own volition, it is something we agreed to allow our government to do as a necessary responsibility of government. The military system itself is not Socialist because it doesn't serve it's own social needs and purpose, it serves the needs of the country. The military doesn't do what it does for the sake of itself.

Now, one can make the argument that many facets of the military and how it functions are similar to Socialism or are "socialistic" in nature, but that does not mean they are "Socialist" unless you are perverting the definition of Socialism or misunderstanding the relationship between the people and the government they established.

Ok you CLEARLY do not understand what socialism is. It is defined STRICTLY in the economic dimension.

so·cial·ism - a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Now tell me, what in your description of military contradicts that definition? It is certainly not the way American community as a whole has indirect input on it.

Tell me, what about millitary is capitalistic?

the military does not produce or distribute economic goods, read your own definnition

 

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The Left love socialism because socialism attracts people with an external locus of control who need to blame others for their failures.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism has never worked....and never will. Econ 101

Be honest, it's okay, I don't think the conservatives will toss you under the bus as a CINO. Admit you never enrolled in or took Econ 101.

Socialism, a dream you will never realize, is a failure.

Why aspire to a "divine Commune of Heaven"?