Why the Republican Party aids and abets gun violence

[TheGreenHornet]

I really don't see how limitations on ownership will really be effective, unless we adopted a system whereby any person wanting to buy a gun had to go through multi level mental health checks and safety training from professionals trained to detect "evil doers," and raise flags. And even if that was constitutional, politically it will never happen, because there are enough rural states that have senators who'd block it.

The NRA does block punishment for illegal sales and making all buys subject to checks. And if it were possible to bring private damages law suits against people who violated regulations in making sales .... that would make a difference.

When has the NRA ever tried to block a conviction for illegal gun sales?

And you are saying you want people to be sued for participating in the governance process if you disagree with them and something bad happens as a result?

Do you realize the pandora's box you would open?

the NRA customarily opposes any further regulation of gun sales.

If we want gun sellers to be more circumspect to whom they sell, we could have laws and regulations specifying in more detail what they have to do to legally make a sale, and make them individually liable when the fuck up. I doubt those laws could pass, but if we were really serious about it, that's what we could do. Makign certain firearms or magazines illegal will never work, because there are just too many out there. And I'm not in favor of citizens not being able to buy as lethal a tool as a criminal.

That is not the same as saying they want to not punish people who actually break the law. what they are against is the assumption that anyone doing a private sale intends to break the law, and thus force everyone to go to a gun dealer and pay a fee to legally transfer a gun.

A person is already liable if they illegally sell a gun to someone restricted from owning one, its up to the government to prosecute.

Wake the fuck up Marty. The NRA doesn't want any restriction on selling a gun.

Really? So the NRA is calling for the repeal of the Federal background check system?

The NRA supports Felons owning guns?

The NRA supports the mentally adjudicated owning guns?

Excellent points.............unfortunately simple minded people always want a simple answer when there is no simple answer. Look at all the murders in Chicago which has very strict gun control measures.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Why does the Left aide and abet in the slaughter of millions?


Leftists already accomplished Ultimate "Gun Control" and MORE......IN VENEZUELA.
How's that working out for Venezuela?
(It takes a special kind of Imbecile to see this and still push for more gun controls)

So rather than a few deaths, you get millions, sometimes tens of millions of deaths.

 

[pismoe]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

I really don't see how limitations on ownership will really be effective, unless we adopted a system whereby any person wanting to buy a gun had to go through multi level mental health checks and safety training from professionals trained to detect "evil doers," and raise flags. And even if that was constitutional, politically it will never happen, because there are enough rural states that have senators who'd block it.

The NRA does block punishment for illegal sales and making all buys subject to checks. And if it were possible to bring private damages law suits against people who violated regulations in making sales .... that would make a difference.

When has the NRA ever tried to block a conviction for illegal gun sales?

And you are saying you want people to be sued for participating in the governance process if you disagree with them and something bad happens as a result?

Do you realize the pandora's box you would open?

the NRA customarily opposes any further regulation of gun sales.

If we want gun sellers to be more circumspect to whom they sell, we could have laws and regulations specifying in more detail what they have to do to legally make a sale, and make them individually liable when the fuck up. I doubt those laws could pass, but if we were really serious about it, that's what we could do. Makign certain firearms or magazines illegal will never work, because there are just too many out there. And I'm not in favor of citizens not being able to buy as lethal a tool as a criminal.

---------------------------------------------------- when are you gonna make gov. employees or agencies liable for their feck ups . Didn't AirForce feck up on a guy when they didn't communicate info about the shooter in Texas church a few months ago . Didn't government feck up when they allowed the 'muslims' in the San Bernadino mass killing last Christmas time into the USA Ben ??

Ummm, no. Actually the San Bernidino shooters were here legally. And legally speaking, we don't have the legal right to sue officials doing their official duty.

I'm all for ending lottery visas and most of chain immigration btw. I don't think either were an issue in SB, though.

Immigration is an issue, but The Oranguton likes to cloud it with terrorism, and most of the time terrorists are whites born here. Sadly.

------------------------------------ big deal , the muslims that did the Christmas time mass murder in San Bernadino LEGALLY were imported by USA Government so there for USA Government imported muslim murderers and are therefore Legally RESPONSIBLE BEN .

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let’s start with what you think is a rational gun control bill then work from there.

I have, ad nausea.

• Licensing, suspended or revoked after due process
• Registration of all guns
• Comprehensive background checks
• Secure storage from loss or theft
• Straw purchase, a felony
• Restriction of large capacity magazines

I support the 2nd A. for all adult citizens who are sober, sane and law abiding; no one in the following categories should be licensed, and any person who loans, sells or in any manner provides a firearm or ammunition to an unlicensed person, will upon conviction, lose his or her right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

1. Convicted of a Violent Felony
2. Convicted of Domestic Violence
3. Convicted of Battery
4. Has been convicted of committing any crime while in possession of a firearm
5. Found by the Court after due process to be a member of a criminal gang or terrorist organization
6. Has ever been detained for making threats against a person, or convicted of Criminal Threats
7. Has been detained as a danger to him/her self or others

Those arrested and convicted of DUI (drugs or alcohol) on a first offense will have their gun license suspended for the one year, and it will be restated upon successful completion of one year's substance abuse counseling; a second or subsequent conviction of DUI will result in a 3-year revocation, and successful completion of at least 3 years probation with no dirty tests.

 

[pismoe]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

I really don't see how limitations on ownership will really be effective, unless we adopted a system whereby any person wanting to buy a gun had to go through multi level mental health checks and safety training from professionals trained to detect "evil doers," and raise flags. And even if that was constitutional, politically it will never happen, because there are enough rural states that have senators who'd block it.

The NRA does block punishment for illegal sales and making all buys subject to checks. And if it were possible to bring private damages law suits against people who violated regulations in making sales .... that would make a difference.

When has the NRA ever tried to block a conviction for illegal gun sales?

And you are saying you want people to be sued for participating in the governance process if you disagree with them and something bad happens as a result?

Do you realize the pandora's box you would open?

the NRA customarily opposes any further regulation of gun sales.

If we want gun sellers to be more circumspect to whom they sell, we could have laws and regulations specifying in more detail what they have to do to legally make a sale, and make them individually liable when the fuck up. I doubt those laws could pass, but if we were really serious about it, that's what we could do. Makign certain firearms or magazines illegal will never work, because there are just too many out there. And I'm not in favor of citizens not being able to buy as lethal a tool as a criminal.

That is not the same as saying they want to not punish people who actually break the law. what they are against is the assumption that anyone doing a private sale intends to break the law, and thus force everyone to go to a gun dealer and pay a fee to legally transfer a gun.

A person is already liable if they illegally sell a gun to someone restricted from owning one, its up to the government to prosecute.

Wake the fuck up Marty. The NRA doesn't want any restriction on selling a gun.

---------------------------- WELL i'd say that NRA is on the right track if your words in post number 35 are true Ben . And it took me and many other PRO GUNNERS quite a few years to get the NRA on the correct hardcore gun RIGHTS way of doing things Ben .

 

[peach174]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

It's the left who did not support the NRA positions of keeping them safe.
We would have had well trained armed guards at our schools and this would not have occurred had the left not opposed it.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

It's the left who did not support the NRA positions of keeping them safe.
We would have had well trained armed guards at our schools and this would not have occurred had the left not opposed it.

Not the solution......
They'll just wait until they leave the school grounds in packs of twenty or more with the same results.

The ROOT of the cause needs addressing.......

Leftist do all the shootings.....there is too much mental instability among Leftists. Period
Until that is addressed, the killings will continue

 

[pismoe]

here you go , one muslim born in the USA and he legally imported his murdering muslim wife into the USA to do the San Bernadino murders Ben . --- Photo Captures San Bernardino Killers Entering U.S. Last Year --- and what a beauty the muslim wife is [chuckle] .

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Let’s start with what you think is a rational gun control bill then work from there.

I have, ad nausea.

• Licensing, suspended or revoked after due process
• Registration of all guns
• Comprehensive background checks
• Secure storage from loss or theft
• Straw purchase, a felony
• Restriction of large capacity magazines

I support the 2nd A. for all adult citizens who are sober, sane and law abiding; no one in the following categories should be licensed, and any person who loans, sells or in any manner provides a firearm or ammunition to an unlicensed person, will upon conviction, lose his or her right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

1. Convicted of a Violent Felony
2. Convicted of Domestic Violence
3. Convicted of Battery
4. Has been convicted of committing any crime while in possession of a firearm
5. Found by the Court after due process to be a member of a criminal gang or terrorist organization
6. Has ever been detained for making threats against a person, or convicted of Criminal Threats
7. Has been detained as a danger to him/her self or others

Those arrested and convicted of DUI (drugs or alcohol) on a first offense will have their gun license suspended for the one year, and it will be restated upon successful completion of one year's substance abuse counseling; a second or subsequent conviction of DUI will result in a 3-year revocation, and successful completion of at least 3 years probation with no dirty tests.

So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it. Let’s put the government in charge of licensing people and all of the guns. That’s not a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for the reply but from now on don’t ever use the word reasonable before gun control. This diatribe of fucked up is no where near reasonable. Oh yeah one more thing, never type the words I support the 2A again either. It’s a lie.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Support the NRA they might be your last chance.

 

[BlackSand]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

If we need to get rid of assault weapons or establish tougher gun laws because of what some crazy person does with a legal weapon ...
Then you should have no problem with us toughening immigration laws and deporting actual lawbreakers because a few of them have killed some folks ...

.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Five pages, mostly attacking the messenger and not focusing on the issue. First of all, the issue of gun control is secondary to my point, that being the Republican Party protecting the NRA, to enable those most of America believes ought not to own, possess or have in their custody and control a firearm.

As long as the NRA continues to threaten and bribe our representatives , we can be assured that more carnage of more innocent victims will die or be maimed by a firearm in the days and weeks and years to come.

Those above whose emotions border on hysteria, will never agree to even the smallest effort to mitigate the number of victims of gun violence.

Every parent in America must feel a bit nervous when their child leaves for school, goes to a park, a concert or a movie theater. The reactions by The President and many Republican Lawmakers is more hand-ringing, and going on message to say, "ain't if awful" but, "I will pray for them" as if that will make it better.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

If we need to get rid of assault weapons or establish tougher gun laws because of what some crazy person does with a legal weapon ...
Then you should have no problem with us toughening immigration laws and deporting actual lawbreakers because a few of them have killed some folks ...
.

While this is common sense and valid.....

The Left would NEVER agree. No Gun! AND Open Borders the Left will DEMAND

 

[BlackSand]

If we need to get rid of assault weapons or establish tougher gun laws because of what some crazy person does with a legal weapon ...
Then you should have no problem with us toughening immigration laws and deporting actual lawbreakers because a few of them have killed some folks ...
.

While this is common sense and valid.....

The Left would NEVER agree. No Gun! AND Open Borders the Left will DEMAND

Not once did I ever accuse anyone on the left of having common sense ...

.

 

[Picaro]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

It's laughable when someone imagines Republicans care about children.

Here is proof. Holding sick and disabled children hostage. Right from their Senate leader. That's how bold they are. They know the party feels the way they do.

See how these USMB right wingers scream liar, liar, it's not true.

And yet, there is the evidence. Right there. Right out in the open. This is who the GOP is. This is who they have been for decades.

Too bad for you tards EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WAS YOUR HERO SCHUMER AND THE DEMOCRATS WHO FORCED THE SHUTDOWN, so we'll just lol lol lol at your usual pathetic mentally ill stupidity. Run back over to Democratic Underground and get your next 'talking point', idiot.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let’s start with what you think is a rational gun control bill then work from there.

I have, ad nausea.

• Licensing, suspended or revoked after due process
• Registration of all guns
• Comprehensive background checks
• Secure storage from loss or theft
• Straw purchase, a felony
• Restriction of large capacity magazines

I support the 2nd A. for all adult citizens who are sober, sane and law abiding; no one in the following categories should be licensed, and any person who loans, sells or in any manner provides a firearm or ammunition to an unlicensed person, will upon conviction, lose his or her right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

1. Convicted of a Violent Felony
2. Convicted of Domestic Violence
3. Convicted of Battery
4. Has been convicted of committing any crime while in possession of a firearm
5. Found by the Court after due process to be a member of a criminal gang or terrorist organization
6. Has ever been detained for making threats against a person, or convicted of Criminal Threats
7. Has been detained as a danger to him/her self or others

Those arrested and convicted of DUI (drugs or alcohol) on a first offense will have their gun license suspended for the one year, and it will be restated upon successful completion of one year's substance abuse counseling; a second or subsequent conviction of DUI will result in a 3-year revocation, and successful completion of at least 3 years probation with no dirty tests.

So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it. Let’s put the government in charge of licensing people and all of the guns. That’s not a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for the reply but from now on don’t ever use the word reasonable before gun control. This diatribe of fucked up is no where near reasonable. Oh yeah one more thing, never type the words I support the 2A again either. It’s a lie.

"So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it."?

Where did I write that? I didn't, so don't lie. Sober, sane and law abiding have the right to have a gun. So, which one are you concerned about? Too many DUI's, been detained as danger to yourself or others, Beat your wife? Or, do you think alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters, etc. ought to have the absolute right to own, posses or have in their custody or control a gun?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

It's laughable when someone imagines Republicans care about children.

Here is proof. Holding sick and disabled children hostage. Right from their Senate leader. That's how bold they are. They know the party feels the way they do.

See how these USMB right wingers scream liar, liar, it's not true.

And yet, there is the evidence. Right there. Right out in the open. This is who the GOP is. This is who they have been for decades.

Why do the Democrat Bigots hate American children so much?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Let’s start with what you think is a rational gun control bill then work from there.

I have, ad nausea.

• Licensing, suspended or revoked after due process
• Registration of all guns
• Comprehensive background checks
• Secure storage from loss or theft
• Straw purchase, a felony
• Restriction of large capacity magazines

I support the 2nd A. for all adult citizens who are sober, sane and law abiding; no one in the following categories should be licensed, and any person who loans, sells or in any manner provides a firearm or ammunition to an unlicensed person, will upon conviction, lose his or her right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

1. Convicted of a Violent Felony
2. Convicted of Domestic Violence
3. Convicted of Battery
4. Has been convicted of committing any crime while in possession of a firearm
5. Found by the Court after due process to be a member of a criminal gang or terrorist organization
6. Has ever been detained for making threats against a person, or convicted of Criminal Threats
7. Has been detained as a danger to him/her self or others

Those arrested and convicted of DUI (drugs or alcohol) on a first offense will have their gun license suspended for the one year, and it will be restated upon successful completion of one year's substance abuse counseling; a second or subsequent conviction of DUI will result in a 3-year revocation, and successful completion of at least 3 years probation with no dirty tests.

So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it. Let’s put the government in charge of licensing people and all of the guns. That’s not a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for the reply but from now on don’t ever use the word reasonable before gun control. This diatribe of fucked up is no where near reasonable. Oh yeah one more thing, never type the words I support the 2A again either. It’s a lie.

"So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it."?

Where did I write that? I didn't, so don't lie. Sober, sane and law abiding have the right to have a gun. So, which one are you concerned about? Too many DUI's, been detained as danger to yourself or others, Beat your wife? Or, do you think alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters, etc. ought to have the absolute right to own, posses or have in their custody or control a gun?

The first thing you listed was licensing. You don’t need a license for a Constitutional right. The rest of your diatribe is just snowflake emotional breakdown.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Let’s start with what you think is a rational gun control bill then work from there.

I have, ad nausea.

• Licensing, suspended or revoked after due process
• Registration of all guns
• Comprehensive background checks
• Secure storage from loss or theft
• Straw purchase, a felony
• Restriction of large capacity magazines

I support the 2nd A. for all adult citizens who are sober, sane and law abiding; no one in the following categories should be licensed, and any person who loans, sells or in any manner provides a firearm or ammunition to an unlicensed person, will upon conviction, lose his or her right to own, possess or have in their custody or control a firearm.

1. Convicted of a Violent Felony
2. Convicted of Domestic Violence
3. Convicted of Battery
4. Has been convicted of committing any crime while in possession of a firearm
5. Found by the Court after due process to be a member of a criminal gang or terrorist organization
6. Has ever been detained for making threats against a person, or convicted of Criminal Threats
7. Has been detained as a danger to him/her self or others

Those arrested and convicted of DUI (drugs or alcohol) on a first offense will have their gun license suspended for the one year, and it will be restated upon successful completion of one year's substance abuse counseling; a second or subsequent conviction of DUI will result in a 3-year revocation, and successful completion of at least 3 years probation with no dirty tests.

So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it. Let’s put the government in charge of licensing people and all of the guns. That’s not a recipe for disaster.

Thanks for the reply but from now on don’t ever use the word reasonable before gun control. This diatribe of fucked up is no where near reasonable. Oh yeah one more thing, never type the words I support the 2A again either. It’s a lie.

"So you support the 2A but first we need to eliminate it."?

Where did I write that? I didn't, so don't lie. Sober, sane and law abiding have the right to have a gun. So, which one are you concerned about? Too many DUI's, been detained as danger to yourself or others, Beat your wife? Or, do you think alcoholics, drug addicts, wife beaters, etc. ought to have the absolute right to own, posses or have in their custody or control a gun?

The first thing you listed was licensing. You don’t need a license for a Constitutional right. The rest of your diatribe is just snowflake emotional breakdown.

No where in COTUS is there a right to privacy. See:
Licensing | Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

Two more ad hominems and not one comment on the Republican's rhetoric and collusion with the NRA.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The answer is simple. The NRA will fund members of Congress with their largess who will not support rational gun control bills. If a member of Congress violates this condition, and supports gun controls, S/He will find a well funded lackey to run against them in the primary election.

After the latest horrific shooting in FL, Republican Senators, Speaker Ryan and President Trump all scapegoated the mentally ill, and nary a one of them mentioned the gun, and only with false pathos the victims, the survivors and their family and friends.

It's time for every member of Congress to grow up and support We the People who overwhelmingly want to see something tangible in terms of gun control. The usual "aint it awful" moment is forgotten by those who hold their job to be more important to them than the life of a child.

If we need to get rid of assault weapons or establish tougher gun laws because of what some crazy person does with a legal weapon ...
Then you should have no problem with us toughening immigration laws and deporting actual lawbreakers because a few of them have killed some folks ...

.

A Straw Man of apples and antelopes ^^^, and way off topic. Nothing in my post suggested getting rid of assault weapons. Full auto is already licensed, thus infringed; which obviates "shall not be infringed".

"Arms" is another word in the 2nd A. which is ambiguous, please define what you consider an "Arm" which shall not be infringed.

Here's some food for thought:
A 5' gun, mounted not on a naval vessel but on a flat bed truck, an anti tank weapon, Frag. Grenades and RPG's - each is an "Arm", is it not?

How many do you want to be in the public domain, unrestricted?