Why the Right HATES Healthcare

[Harry Dresden]

When this bill passes and all the LIES the right has proffered never materialize your party will be bankrupt.

You see when you crash an economy and mire the country in costly wars that produce nothing but death and bills for the american people and then you try the path of obstruction and lies to win back the trust of the American people you fuck yourself.

You have time and time proven that the republucan leadership has nothing to offer the American people but death, fear and deficits.

Now you will be remembered in the American publics mind as liars.

This bill will not supply the distruction of the US as you had hoped.

What is your next step?

What will you say to the american people when all this doom and gloom doesnt happen?


Have you even thought about that?

and we have just heard....THE TRUTH.....from one of the most one sided posters around.....you still havent told me if you know who Shata is......

 

[Harry Dresden]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

so your back.....now you are a lefty again....make up your mind ....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The right has been steeped in lies for far to long and I challenge everything they claim unbless I have verifiable proof of its validity.

if you were a really Truth Matters type of individual...you would not have posted this,because you know the left lies just as much...OR you would have at LEAST acknowledged that....but you never speak out against the left....which tells many here about you.....TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER.....

 

[skookerasbil]

Can somebody explain this to me....................

Where do liberals NOT learn the lesson so many other Amricans learn early in life..........that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. What the fcukk is up with that???????????????

So we have this Healthcare bill that screws over 200 million Americans for the benefit of 20 million. Thats why conservatives say start over.........apply some free market principles and tort reform and re-route some of the stimulus bill funds not yet allocated. Only those with the IQ of a small soap dish cant realize that the quality of health care gets it up the pooper with this bill.

But hey............what the fcukk do liberals care about the few thousand Cattepillar employees who will now be laid off due to the 100 million cost this bill will have to them.

 

[csbarry]

The right has been steeped in lies for far to long and I challenge everything they claim unbless I have verifiable proof of its validity.

if you were a really Truth Matters type of individual...you would not have posted this,because you know the left lies just as much...OR you would have at LEAST acknowledged that....but you never speak out against the left....which tells many here about you.....TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER.....

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Harry Dresden]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

It will do none of those things. That is why the left hates health care. They provide a laundry list of what they think America needs, sells that bill of goods to gullible and desperate people and then fuck them over, with a smile on their faces, with bills like the one that is getting voted on tomorrow.

Given what this POS legislation is going to do, how can you say that anyone other then the progressives hate health care?

What will you say when it in fact does all of these things?

and if it doesnt?.....what are you gonna say?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

oh for Christ Sakes..........

 

[Thinman]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]

Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[11]
[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[12] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [13]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[14]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Petersburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[15]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[16] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[17]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials

I did not ask for evidence of voter fraud. I was asking for evidence of elections going more to Democrats when more people, as a percentage, voted.

National Voter Turnout in Federal Elections: 1960?2008 — Infoplease.com

You asked for the history and I gave you some, next tiem specify what you want.

Now look at this chart while I continue to find the info that I read years ago about turnout and democratic wins.


Do you accept the facts given which prove the Rs have a history of attempoting to keep voters off the rolls?

Thanks for the link.
I didn’t ask for evidence of voter fraud, but Democrats don’t have a monopoly on corruption. I’m sure Republicans are just as guilty.

Your link shows no conclusive evidence of higher voter turnout when Democrats won as opposed to Republicans.

I copied Presidential elections only. The table shows a 4 to 3 advantage to Democrats when more than 55% of eligible voters turned out.

Year______Voting-age_______registered voters_________Turnout________(percent)
2008*____231,229,580___________NA______________132,618,580*_______56.8%
2004_____221,256,931________174,800,000_________122,294,978________55.3
2000_____205,815,000________156,421,311_________105,586,274________51.3
1996_____196,511,000________146,211,960__________96,456,345________49.1
1992_____189,529,000________133,821,178_________104,405,155________55.1
1988_____182,778,000________126,379,628__________91,594,693________50.1
1984_____174,466,000________124,150,614__________92,652,680________53.1
1980_____164,597,000________113,043,734__________86,515,221________52.6
1976_____152,309,190________105,037,986__________81,555,789________53.6
1972_____140,776,000_________97,328,541__________77,718,554________55.2
1968_____120,328,186_________81,658,180__________73,211,875________60.8
1964_____114,090,000_________73,715,818__________70,644,592________61.9
1960_____109,159,000_________64,833,096__________68,838,204________63.1

 

[Harry Dresden]

There are 12 Healthcare threads on the first page of the Politics Board right now. It is the biggest political topic of the weekend.This thread describes what is in the bill

Which, in all sincerity, does not address the real problem with the health care system in America. As in the case with this poster, some are willing to settle for far less than an adequate package. Don't be like this poster and settle for less. Let your Senator's know that if they vote for this weak Health Care Reform Package that they need to update their resume before the end of the present term.

How is getting nothing for the American people better than getting something?

How does that help the 40,000 people who die because they cant get proper insurance?

oh shit another one....40 thou a year die because they have no ins.....so if this passes and it takes a few years to go into effect....those 40 thou are dead anyway....right?...so in a few years there will be no un-insured.....hey...money saved right there....maybe the Prez is on to something....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The funniest part of this is you really think that accepting the other guys verifiable evidence is some how a failure on ones part.

It is why you people are so intractably mired in the lies of the right.

if you were for the "truth" Truth....you would not say "you people".....thats admitting your a lefty....you would be equally venting against both sides.....because they both say what they need.....to get people to believe them....you only buy one side.....not showing much about Truth is it......why dont you see if Gunny or Crimson will change your name to "OnlyDemocraticTruthMattersEverythingElseIsBullShit".....fits you better....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Do you accept the facts given which prove the Rs have a history of attempoting to keep voters off the rolls?

thats funny...out here Dems have a history of putting voters on the rolls who should not be there....funny how a "truthful" individual like yourself never mentions Democrat crimes and mis -adventures....

 

[Harry Dresden]

republicans are hysterical over this

over what?...getting screwed by our politicians....you bet they are....and im surprised the far left isnt....i know many regular Democrats are at least a little worried....if its a big fucking joke to you Antagon.... bend over and spread those cheeks wide.....and i hope it hurts like hell....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The right has been steeped in lies for far to long and I challenge everything they claim unbless I have verifiable proof of its validity.

if you were a really Truth Matters type of individual...you would not have posted this,because you know the left lies just as much...OR you would have at LEAST acknowledged that....but you never speak out against the left....which tells many here about you.....TRUTH DOES NOT MATTER.....

Ain't that the truth!

not to "Truth does not matter"....

 

[rightwinger]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

It will do none of those things. That is why the left hates health care. They provide a laundry list of what they think America needs, sells that bill of goods to gullible and desperate people and then fuck them over, with a smile on their faces, with bills like the one that is getting voted on tomorrow.

Given what this POS legislation is going to do, how can you say that anyone other then the progressives hate health care?

What will you say when it in fact does all of these things?

and if it doesnt?.....what are you gonna say?....

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things. It ends abusive practices from the insurance industry and expands coverage and protections for Americans

How can Republicans vote against it?

 

[Samson]

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things.

I'm afraid you, nor most of the House and Senate of the USA, has no fucking clue WHAT the bill does beyond proving that Democrats can pass a law whilst they have control of the House and Senate and Presidency of the USA.

 

[DiamondDave]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

What will you say when it in fact does all of these things?

and if it doesnt?.....what are you gonna say?....

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things. It ends abusive practices from the insurance industry and expands coverage and protections for Americans

How can Republicans vote against it?

Because where the fuck are you owed something for your personal care and upkeep at the expense of someone else???

Ends abusive practices??? LMAO?? You are too funny.. And expanding 'coverage' to a non-contributor at the expense of someone else is flat out wrong.... As stated SO many times... you holier than thou libs are real generous with the money of others....

 

[boedicca]

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things.

I'm afraid you, nor most of the House and Senate of the USA, has no fucking clue WHAT the bill does beyond proving that Democrats can pass a law whilst they have control of the House and Senate and Presidency of the USA.

Even Pelosi and Obama can't say what's it it.

 

[Sarah G]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

That about sums it up.

 

[csbarry]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

What will you say when it in fact does all of these things?

and if it doesnt?.....what are you gonna say?....

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things. It ends abusive practices from the insurance industry and expands coverage and protections for Americans

How can Republicans vote against it?

Simple! Despite your claims to the contrary, the bill doesn't do what we need it to do. It is a joke.

 

[Samson]

I'm afraid the bill does every one of these things.

I'm afraid you, nor most of the House and Senate of the USA, has no fucking clue WHAT the bill does beyond proving that Democrats can pass a law whilst they have control of the House and Senate and Presidency of the USA.

Even Pelosi and Obama can't say what's it it.

Why should they?

Content is immaterial: The fact that it passes will give them a "Victory" among the scant few boneheads that continue to support them.