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I'll tell you all something...I perfectly understand how the LIBTARD C.A.P. kooks on this site felt whenever they saw Bush on television....for the first time in my life I actually feel a revolting sense of sickness, akin to wanting to vomit when you catch a whiff of dogshit, watching Obama tell outright lies to the American people today on national television. Pelosi with her botox smile just laughing at the stupidity of American citizens who voted this con man into office... I'm truly appalled that our government has sunk this LOW...bribes, payoffs to Unions, special deals for pro-Obama lobbyists and drug companies, outright bribes with OUR MONEY to buy votes in the House!!!!!!....it's just unconscientable that America was stupid enough to elect this European George Soros puppet....
I have lost faith in the American people to be competent enough to pick the right candidate for this country.
America....you asked for it...so bend over...here it comes.
Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]
[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:
V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]
Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[11]
[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[12] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [13]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[14]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Petersburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[15]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[16] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[17]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials
You've distilled over 2,000 pages into 7 talking points.I'd ask anyone to explain why they oppose these provisions in the Healthcare bill
There are 12 Healthcare threads on the first page of the Politics Board right now. It is the biggest political topic of the weekend.This thread describes what is in the bill
Which, in all sincerity, does not address the real problem with the health care system in America. As in the case with this poster, some are willing to settle for far less than an adequate package. Don't be like this poster and settle for less. Let your Senator's know that if they vote for this weak Health Care Reform Package that they need to update their resume before the end of the present term.
How is getting nothing for the American people better than getting something?
How does that help the 40,000 people who die because they cant get proper insurance?
Which, in all sincerity, does not address the real problem with the health care system in America. As in the case with this poster, some are willing to settle for far less than an adequate package. Don't be like this poster and settle for less. Let your Senator's know that if they vote for this weak Health Care Reform Package that they need to update their resume before the end of the present term.
How is getting nothing for the American people better than getting something?
How does that help the 40,000 people who die because they cant get proper insurance?
My point is; if you're going to do it, do it right. This HCRP only scratches the surface and doesn't deal with the real issues that need to be addressed. Pass this bill and you will never see the fix we really need; but what you will see is more higher priced executives at the corporate level, as well as wealthier investors, many of whom work in Washington.
Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]
[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:
V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]
Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[11]
[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[12] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [13]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[14]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Petersburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[15]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[16] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[17]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials
I did not ask for evidence of voter fraud. I was asking for evidence of elections going more to Democrats when more people, as a percentage, voted.
How is getting nothing for the American people better than getting something?
How does that help the 40,000 people who die because they cant get proper insurance?
My point is; if you're going to do it, do it right. This HCRP only scratches the surface and doesn't deal with the real issues that need to be addressed. Pass this bill and you will never see the fix we really need; but what you will see is more higher priced executives at the corporate level, as well as wealthier investors, many of whom work in Washington.
Scratching the surface is better than doing nothing. You fail to see that changes are easier than the whole enchalda all at once.
Tell us how the all or nothing approach of Clinton got us anything?
This is why ACORN is the bane of republicans. They registar poor people to vote.
Perhaps we had this discussion before, or I had a very similar one with someone else.
I agree with you, whole-heartedly. But access to primary care physicians is a part of the algorithm as well.
We live in a culture of sickness. No question about it. Touche', my good man.
can i be the devils advocate here?.....what if jobs are far and few between?....Well...my suggestion to the poor liberals is to GET UP OFF YOUR FAT 50 TWINKIE EATING ASS AND GET A BETTER FUCKING JOB AFTER YOU GET A DAMN EDUCATION!!!!
and i have posted this every time someone says what your saying....and the only reply i get is just another dance around the question or its ignored....maybe you will be different.....what does a Health Care System have to do with lifespan?.....in our country a HELL of a lot of people dont take care of them selves properly.....some with Ins. dont go for their regular checkups.....ever hear some guys say they will NEVER get a Colonoscopy..."no ones going to shove anything up my ass".....basically im saying you can have the best fucking Health Care on the planet.....if you dont take care of yourself or dont go for your regular checkups.....it is not going to make you live longer....it will if you use it.....im willing to bet it wont change nothing....
This is correct. It is not a matter of health insurance. It is taking responsibility for your own health and well being. Government can't do that for you.
True!! And only rich conservatives can profit while poor liberals must depend on government for sustenance.
Sure thing tinman, if you only had a brain you'd earn your own wealth instead of following the yellow brick road to the Wizard of Obama to ask him to confiscate it from people who've earned it.
I'm with you. I was being sarcastic as you were in your previous quote.
