Why the Right HATES Healthcare

[Truthmatters]

As soon as it's given on something i disagree with ......

Can you give me an example on this site where you accepted a fact that made you adjust what you believed in?

 

[Truthmatters]

I'll tell you all something...I perfectly understand how the LIBTARD CAP kooks on this site felt whenever they saw Bush on television....for the first time in my life I actually feel a revolting sense of sickness, akin to wanting to vomit when you catch a whiff of dogshit, watching Obama tell outright lies to the American people today on national television. Pelosi with her botox smile just laughing at the stupidity of American citizens who voted this con man into office... I'm truly appalled that our government has sunk this LOW...bribes, payoffs to Unions, special deals for pro-Obama lobbyists and drug companies, outright bribes with OUR MONEY to buy votes in the House!!!!!!....it's just unconscientable that America was stupid enough to elect this European George Soros puppet....

I have lost faith in the American people to be competent enough to pick the right candidate for this country.

America....you asked for it...so bend over...here it comes.

I'm with you all the way and know exactly how you feel.

Many Americans eligible to vote do not even register. Many registered voters don't vote. Americans have become comfortable and apathetic. The party, who successfully energizes their base, gets elected. This base is typically fringe right or left. The outrage from their policy energizes the opposite party base and, if the policies are extreme, engages the apathetic silent majority.

Cause and effect. The American majority is always a year or two behind the curve. If America had an 80 or 90% turnout of eligible voters, we would have a more representative government while reducing the strength of the squeaky wheel.

Historically the more people who vote the more democratic leaning the election become.

I wpould LOVE more people to vote regularly, this is why the right has worked to disenfranchise voters and demonize groups like ACORN.

 

[Darkwind]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

It will do none of those things. That is why the left hates health care. They provide a laundry list of what they think America needs, sells that bill of goods to gullible and desperate people and then fuck them over, with a smile on their faces, with bills like the one that is getting voted on tomorrow.

Given what this POS legislation is going to do, how can you say that anyone other then the progressives hate health care?

 

[Truthmatters]

Here is what it does for Americans..

1. If you had cancer as a 14 year old and now are 24 and need to get insurance. Insurance companies can't punish you for daring to have cancer

2. If you have the misfortune of becoming seriously ill and run up bills over $100,000, the insurance company can't cap your bill and make you pay anything in excess of $100,000

3. If you just graduated college and have to work for a small company that does not offer health coverage, you can be covered on your parents policy until you are 26.

4. If you own or work for a small company, Insurance pools will be formed to allow you to compete as a large group and get better rates

5. You won't have to defer preventive care which may detect serious problems. It will be free with your insurance coverage

6. Insurance companies will not be able to drop you if you become seriously ill

It will do none of those things. That is why the left hates health care. They provide a laundry list of what they think America needs, sells that bill of goods to gullible and desperate people and then fuck them over, with a smile on their faces, with bills like the one that is getting voted on tomorrow.

Given what this POS legislation is going to do, how can you say that anyone other then the progressives hate health care?

What will you say when it in fact does all of these things?

 

[Truthmatters]

Come on driveby you must have at least one example where you accepted the verifiable fact from someone that held differeing opinions than you?

 

[Thinman]

I'll tell you all something...I perfectly understand how the LIBTARD CAP kooks on this site felt whenever they saw Bush on television....for the first time in my life I actually feel a revolting sense of sickness, akin to wanting to vomit when you catch a whiff of dogshit, watching Obama tell outright lies to the American people today on national television. Pelosi with her botox smile just laughing at the stupidity of American citizens who voted this con man into office... I'm truly appalled that our government has sunk this LOW...bribes, payoffs to Unions, special deals for pro-Obama lobbyists and drug companies, outright bribes with OUR MONEY to buy votes in the House!!!!!!....it's just unconscientable that America was stupid enough to elect this European George Soros puppet....

I have lost faith in the American people to be competent enough to pick the right candidate for this country.

America....you asked for it...so bend over...here it comes.

I'm with you all the way and know exactly how you feel.

Many Americans eligible to vote do not even register. Many registered voters don't vote. Americans have become comfortable and apathetic. The party, who successfully energizes their base, gets elected. This base is typically fringe right or left. The outrage from their policy energizes the opposite party base and, if the policies are extreme, engages the apathetic silent majority.

Cause and effect. The American majority is always a year or two behind the curve. If America had an 80 or 90% turnout of eligible voters, we would have a more representative government while reducing the strength of the squeaky wheel.

Historically the more people who vote the more democratic leaning the election become.

I wpould LOVE more people to vote regularly, this is why the right has worked to disenfranchise voters and demonize groups like ACORN.

I think ACORN deserved their demonization.

By the way, do you have a link for the history you claim, something other than the last election which was tainted with voter fraud?

 

[Truthmatters]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]

Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[11]
[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[12] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [13]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[14]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Petersburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[15]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[16] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[17]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials

 

[driveby]

Come on driveby you must have at least one example where you accepted the verifiable fact from someone that held differeing opinions than you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/107022-student-escorted-out-of-class-for-not-saying-the-pledge.html


Ok, i'm done proving you wrong for today .........

 

[csbarry]

Oh, good grief. There is a fucking forum for healthcare.


Will this healthcare improve people's ability to file shit in the right place?

Damnation, you are an ass.

There are 12 Healthcare threads on the first page of the Politics Board right now. It is the biggest political topic of the weekend.This thread describes what is in the bill

Which, in all sincerity, does not address the real problem with the health care system in America. As in the case with this poster, some are willing to settle for far less than an adequate package. Don't be like this poster and settle for less. Let your Senator's know that if they vote for this weak Health Care Reform Package that they need to update their resume before the end of the present term.

 

[Truthmatters]

Come on driveby you must have at least one example where you accepted the verifiable fact from someone that held differeing opinions than you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/107022-student-escorted-out-of-class-for-not-saying-the-pledge.html


Ok, i'm done proving you wrong for today .........

I never claimed you could not find one Driveby now did I.

And in the clip thing I never claimed it was not true I merely asked for verifiable proof it was true.

How did you prove me wrong about anything?

This is where many of you people lose site of the truth.

You gave unverifiable evidence and I requested verifiable evidence.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence now is there?

No there is not now is there.

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

 

[WillowTree]

Come on driveby you must have at least one example where you accepted the verifiable fact from someone that held differeing opinions than you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/107022-student-escorted-out-of-class-for-not-saying-the-pledge.html


Ok, i'm done proving you wrong for today .........

I never claimed you could not find one Driveby now did I.

And in the clip thing I never claimed it was not true I merely asked for verifiable proof it was true.

How did you prove me wrong about anything?

This is where many of you people lose site"sight,, moron,, it is sight.. of the truth.

You gave unverifiable evidence and I requested verifiable evidence.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence now is there?

No there is not now is there.

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

 

[Truthmatters]

Willow can you explain to everyone how recieving verifiable evidence upon request makes the person who recieves it wrong?

 

[driveby]

Come on driveby you must have at least one example where you accepted the verifiable fact from someone that held differeing opinions than you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/107022-student-escorted-out-of-class-for-not-saying-the-pledge.html


Ok, i'm done proving you wrong for today .........

I never claimed you could not find one Driveby now did I.

And in the clip thing I never claimed it was not true I merely asked for verifiable proof it was true.

How did you prove me wrong about anything?

This is where many of you people lose site of the truth.

You gave unverifiable evidence and I requested verifiable evidence.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence now is there?

No there is not now is there.

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

wow, ummmmm , you're welcome .......

 

[driveby]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/current-events/107022-student-escorted-out-of-class-for-not-saying-the-pledge.html


Ok, i'm done proving you wrong for today .........

I never claimed you could not find one Driveby now did I.

And in the clip thing I never claimed it was not true I merely asked for verifiable proof it was true.

How did you prove me wrong about anything?

This is where many of you people lose site"sight,, moron,, it is sight.. of the truth.

You gave unverifiable evidence and I requested verifiable evidence.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence now is there?

No there is not now is there.

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

i closed the door behind me, i swear ........

 

[Truthmatters]

Oh, good grief. There is a fucking forum for healthcare.


Will this healthcare improve people's ability to file shit in the right place?

Damnation, you are an ass.

There are 12 Healthcare threads on the first page of the Politics Board right now. It is the biggest political topic of the weekend.This thread describes what is in the bill

Which, in all sincerity, does not address the real problem with the health care system in America. As in the case with this poster, some are willing to settle for far less than an adequate package. Don't be like this poster and settle for less. Let your Senator's know that if they vote for this weak Health Care Reform Package that they need to update their resume before the end of the present term.

How is getting nothing for the American people better than getting something?

How does that help the 40,000 people who die because they cant get proper insurance?

 

[WillowTree]

Willow can you explain to everyone how recieving verifiable evidence upon request makes the person who recieves it wrong?

not until you have answered everysinglequestioneveraskedofyouonthisboard.

 

[WillowTree]

I never claimed you could not find one Driveby now did I.

And in the clip thing I never claimed it was not true I merely asked for verifiable proof it was true.

How did you prove me wrong about anything?

This is where many of you people lose site"sight,, moron,, it is sight.. of the truth.

You gave unverifiable evidence and I requested verifiable evidence.

There is nothing wrong with asking for evidence now is there?

No there is not now is there.

Thank you for your evidence of you accepting as fact, it was refreshing and I hope someday you will be able to accept verifiable evidence that I give daily on subjects here.

i closed the door behind me, i swear ........

 

[Truthmatters]

Caging (voter suppression) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


1980s
In 1981 and 1986 the Republican National Committee (RNC) sent out letters to predominately African-American neighborhoods. When tens of thousands of them were returned undeliverable, the party successfully challenged the voters and had them deleted from voting rolls. Due to the violation of the Voting Rights Act, the RNC was taken to court. Its officials entered a consent decree which prohibited the party from engaging in anti-fraud initiatives that targeted minorities or conducting mail campaigns to "compile voter challenge lists."[5]

[edit] 2004 US Election
BBC journalist Greg Palast obtained an RNC document entitled "State Implementation Template III.doc" that described Republican election operations for caging plans in numerous states. The paragraph in the document pertaining to caging was:

V. Pre Election Day Operations New Registration Mailing
At whatever point registration in the state closes, a first class mailing should be sent to all new registrants as well as purged/inactive voters. This mailing should welcome the recipient to the voter rolls. It is important that a return address is clearly identifiable. Any mail returned as undeliverable for any reason, should be used to generate a list of problematic registrations. Poll watchers should have this list and be prepared to challenge anyone from this list attempting to vote.[6][7]

Shortly before the 2004 election, Palast also obtained a caging list for Jacksonville, Florida, which contained a high number of African Americans and registered Democrats. The caging list was attached to an email which a Florida Republican party official was sending to RNC headquarters official Tim Griffin. [7] [8] [9]
The Republican National Committee sent letters to predominately urban minority areas in Ohio. When 35,000 letters were returned as undeliverable, the party employed poll watchers to challenge the voters. Voting rights groups challenged the RNC in a case that went to the Supreme Court, but the RNC was not stopped from challenging those voters. Similarly, the RNC sent out 130,000 letters in Philadelphia hoping to cage voters there. Philadelphia is a city with a majority African American population that votes heavily Democratic. The Republicans were attempting to cage votes by people who were likely to vote for the Democratic candidates. [10]
In the Ohio court challenge, the RNC submitted a caging list that targeted urban and African-American areas in and around Cleveland.[11]
Journalists found evidence that the Republican National Committee (RNC) attempted to use caging to suppress votes in five states in the 2004 US presidential election. For example, in New Jersey RNC officials used caging lists to challenge absentee ballots and absentee ballot requests.[11]
[edit] 2008 US Election
As noted earlier, the Republican Secretary of State in Michigan was found purging voters from voting rolls when voter ID cards were returned as undeliverable. In the court challenge, the federal judge ordered the state to reinstate the voters.[12] The judge ruled that the state's actions were in violation of the NVRA. His decision noted that there was no way to prevent qualified voters from being disfranchised as their cards may be returned as undeliverable due to postal error, clerical error, inadvertent routing within a multi-unit dwelling, and even simple misspelling or transposition of numbers in an address. [13]
In December 2007, Kansas GOP Chair Kris Kobach sent an email boasting, "[T]o date, the Kansas GOP has identified and caged more voters in the last 11 months than the previous two years!"[14]
Republicans sent out fundraising mailers to voters in five Florida counties: Duval, Hillsborough, Collier, Miami-Dade and Escambia, with 'do not forward' on the letters. The mailers included inaccurate Voter ID numbers and ostensibly confirmed with voters they were registered as Republican. The RNC declined to discuss the mailer with the St. Petersburg Times. A representative denied the mailing had anything to do with caging. "Two top Florida elections officials, both Republicans, faulted the GOP mailing, calling it "confusing" and "unfortunate" because of a potential to undermine voter confidence by making them question the accuracy of their registrations." Some officials expressed concern that the RNC would try to use a caging list derived from the mailers.[15]
In Northern California reports of voter caging emerged when letters marked 'do not forward' were sent to Democrats with fake voter ID numbers. The description of the letters matches the letters that were sent out in Florida.[16] See the caging letter that was sent out here. Many details on the letters were false; for example, the letters referred to a Voter Identification Division but RNC personnel said they had no such department. The RNC did not return calls from a news organization regarding the letters.
On October 5, 2008 the Republican Lt. Governor of Montana, John Bohlinger, accused the Montana Republican Party of vote caging to purge 6,000 voters from three counties which trend Democratic. These purges included decorated war veterans and active duty soldiers.[17]
The New York Times found in its review of state records that unlawful actions in six states led to widespread voter purges, which could have impact on the 2008 elections. Some of the actions were apparently the result of mistakes by the states' handling voter registrations and files as they tried to comply with a 2002 federal law related to running elections. While neither party was singled out, because the Democratic Party registered more new voters this year, Democratic voters were more adversely affected by such actions of state officials

Do ether of you accept these facts?

 

[Truthmatters]

Willow can you explain to everyone how recieving verifiable evidence upon request makes the person who recieves it wrong?

not until you have answered everysinglequestioneveraskedofyouonthisboard.

You cant can you?

 

[Truthmatters]

The funniest part of this is you really think that accepting the other guys verifiable evidence is some how a failure on ones part.

It is why you people are so intractably mired in the lies of the right.