Why the the left should NEVER try exploiting the Bible

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus' main teaching was raise up and help the poor. "What you do for the least of these my brothers you do for me". Conservatives are hell bent on stepping on the poor at every single opportunity they get.

And where did he state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

So your main concern here is to assert your right to tell Jesus to go fuck himself when it comes to issues such as helping the poor.

Interesting.

So your main focus here is to lie when a post exposes your ignorance and your exploitation of the Bible is exposed? I'll ask the question just for you again:

Where in the Bible did it state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

It's a simple question NYcarbineer. Are you incapable of answering it? Yep! As always...

If Jesus didn't teach that helping the poor was mandatory, then isn't it true that you can tell him go fuck himself and his advice to help the poor,

and still claim that you yourself are a good Christian?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus' main teaching was raise up and help the poor. "What you do for the least of these my brothers you do for me". Conservatives are hell bent on stepping on the poor at every single opportunity they get.

And where did he state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

So your main concern here is to assert your right to tell Jesus to go fuck himself when it comes to issues such as helping the poor.

Interesting.

Easy to notice that 1 out of 6 children goes to be hungry in the US every night. Where are the 'Christians'? It's obvious government can't carry the whole load so why haven't these oh so good Christians just taken on themselves to help the poor and ignore what the government does. If churches helped all these people the government would not have to spend any money to begin with.

Feeding them with their labor and sacrifice

The problem with his statement is churches carry the bulk of helping the less fortunate.

I work with an Outreach, I have for nearly 12 years and I've yet to see any atheists groups, or agnostic groups out there feeding the poor. But I've seen a boatload of religious groups, not all Christian, I've seen people from many faiths.

Why do Churches give handouts to the poor against the philosophy of Conservatism that asserts that giving handouts to the poor just discourages them from doing anything to get out of poverty?

 

[wjmacguffin]

Both sides exploit the Bible. That's because the Bible can pretty much be ripped apart, taken out of context, and so on. It's also fairly contradictory.

Take self-defense. Jesus is pretty clear about turning the other cheek, but he also went apeshit on the moneylenders. The New Testament is full of love they neighbor, but the Old Testament is full of genocide and war. No matter where you stand on the subject, you can find a Biblical reference to support your stance.

That said, I think there are two clear points that stand out:

1. The Commandments are mostly clear, and Jesus said the the greatest are to love God and each other. The only problem is in defining "love." Far-righters say it's not loving to give to the poor because it saps their self-esteem and capacity to work. Far-lefters say taking taxes from people is loving.
2. Too many people put things in the Bible that don't exist. For example, it's silent on abortion and premarital sex. People interpret lines to say the Bible talks about both, but it doesn't.

But for my two cents (and yes, this is veering into opinion, not fact), the far right is overly hypocritical when it comes to the Bible. Liberals might live a sinful lifestyle as defined by the Bible, but many don't claim to use the Bible as their handbook.

And it's not even conservatives as a whole, who I believe are groovy folks. No, it's the far-right extremists who make religion a tool for hate and power. The same mega pastors who remind us that the poor are blessed have mansions and private jets. The same politicians who decry liberalism as sin have divorces and gay sex scandals. And IIRC, the red states where abortion is under attack have some of the highest rates of abortions.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Don't politics in God. That's what the Pope tried to do

He is helping the poor as Jesus would.

He should do it through the Church and stay out of politics.

Apparently God wants him to do it this way. But you put politics above God.

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

 

[wjmacguffin]

Jesus' main teaching was raise up and help the poor. "What you do for the least of these my brothers you do for me". Conservatives are hell bent on stepping on the poor at every single opportunity they get.

And where did he state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

So your main concern here is to assert your right to tell Jesus to go fuck himself when it comes to issues such as helping the poor.

Interesting.

So your main focus here is to lie when a post exposes your ignorance and your exploitation of the Bible is exposed? I'll ask the question just for you again:

Where in the Bible did it state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

It's a simple question NYcarbineer. Are you incapable of answering it? Yep! As always...

If Jesus didn't teach that helping the poor was mandatory, then isn't it true that you can tell him go fuck himself and his advice to help the poor,

and still claim that you yourself are a good Christian?

I don't believe Jesus said things were mandatory as such. Instead, he said "this is what you need to do to reach Heaven, and besides, it's the right thing to do." That's why God made man with free will — the Lord wishes us to truly love Him and come to Him willingly.

But the idea that Jesus never wanted people to pay taxes to help the poor is unsupported at best. He never said, "Give unto the poor, but not through a government, that shit is stupid, yo." Render unto Caesar and all that.

Also, why do liberals have to prove the Bible says taxes to help the poor is a good thing? How about show where in the Bible it says to never help people through taxes?

 

[wjmacguffin]

Pope Francis called for governments to do their part to aid the poor by redistributing wealth in a spirit of generosity. Pope Francis made the plea on Friday during a speech to U.N. Secretary General Ban Kai Moon.

What does the Pope do concerning his own who live in luxury while the poor go without?

The 18 Most Surprising Things The Pope Has Done! I Can’t Believe #5!

That did not answer the question. Why should a church 'father' (a single man no family) live in a private exclusive (expensive) community in a house big enough for a large family while parishioners of that same church go without? Again what does the pope do concerning his own? He is supposed to lead them too, no?

Here's one argument (but not one I agree with).

People are material. They look at something expensive and think it's better than something cheap. Quality = cost. So by making a cross of gold or building a huge cathedral, you're improving how the average person views God and His symbols. People are more likely to show reverence to a fancy church than a hovel.

That still doesn't explain mega pastor mansions, though.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Jesus' main teaching was raise up and help the poor. "What you do for the least of these my brothers you do for me". Conservatives are hell bent on stepping on the poor at every single opportunity they get.

And where did he state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

So your main concern here is to assert your right to tell Jesus to go fuck himself when it comes to issues such as helping the poor.

Interesting.

So your main focus here is to lie when a post exposes your ignorance and your exploitation of the Bible is exposed? I'll ask the question just for you again:

Where in the Bible did it state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

It's a simple question NYcarbineer. Are you incapable of answering it? Yep! As always...

If Jesus didn't teach that helping the poor was mandatory, then isn't it true that you can tell him go fuck himself and his advice to help the poor,

and still claim that you yourself are a good Christian?

I don't believe Jesus said things were mandatory as such. Instead, he said "this is what you need to do to reach Heaven, and besides, it's the right thing to do." That's why God made man with free will — the Lord wishes us to truly love Him and come to Him willingly.

But the idea that Jesus never wanted people to pay taxes to help the poor is unsupported at best. He never said, "Give unto the poor, but not through a government, that shit is stupid, yo." Render unto Caesar and all that.

Also, why do liberals have to prove the Bible says taxes to help the poor is a good thing? How about show where in the Bible it says to never help people through taxes?

First of all, many many liberals are in fact Christian, so a liberal vs. conservative debate about the teachings of Jesus is just one more debate about what it is to follow the teachings of Christ.

 

[NYcarbineer]

He is helping the poor as Jesus would.

He should do it through the Church and stay out of politics.

Apparently God wants him to do it this way. But you put politics above God.

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

The pope is a cult leader...

So is Trump at this point.

 

[Brain357]

He is helping the poor as Jesus would.

He should do it through the Church and stay out of politics.

Apparently God wants him to do it this way. But you put politics above God.

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

He should do it through the Church and stay out of politics.

Apparently God wants him to do it this way. But you put politics above God.

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

 

[Brain357]

Apparently God wants him to do it this way. But you put politics above God.

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

God is paramount in my life. God is first, my family is second, my country is third and I am fourth.

Now please stop assuming you know the first thing about me, you look stupid doing it

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

You sound like an annoying moron. Now beat it, I'm weary of your nonsense

 

[Crixus]

The left is all over the news, social media, and even right here on USMB these days attempting to exploit the Bible for their own political gain. Whenever they are incapable of defending their irrational position, aside from screaming racist/homophobe/xenophobe/etc., they will invariably scream "the Bible says to redistribute wealth". The problem, of course, is that the Bible says no such thing. And they would know that if they didn't hate the Bible and religion. It's a bad idea to attempt to quote something one has never read.

Josh Protas, the vice president of public policy at MAZON, a Jewish anti-hunger group...quoted a verse in Leviticus. Not to be outdone, Rep. Jodey Arrington quoted a Bible verse of his own, saying, “If a man will not work he shall not eat.”

“I did hear Mr. Protas, your opening remarks, where you quoted Leviticus, I believe — and I think that’s a great reflection on the character of God and the compassion of God’s heart and how we ought to reflect that compassion in our lives,” Arrington said. “But there’s also, you know, the Scripture, tells us in 2 Thessalonians chapter 3:10, he says, ‘for even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: if a man will not work, he shall not eat.’ And then he goes on to say ‘we hear that some among you are idle.’

Boom! Talk about a knockout blow. This is what happens to a person who doesn't know the Bible and yet attempts to exploit it for the evils of socialism/marxism/communism.

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Most alleged Christians should probably not try and use the Bible to argue political talking points. The word is beautiful and pure. Trying to use it in politics would be like using songs of solamen as a script for a porno. Just wrong who ever does it.

 

[Brain357]

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

You sound like an annoying moron. Now beat it, I'm weary of your nonsense

Suggesting you listen to the Pope rather than politicians when it comes to God is nonsense? Funny.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

You sound like an annoying moron. Now beat it, I'm weary of your nonsense

Suggesting you listen to the Pope rather than politicians when it comes to God is nonsense? Funny.

Have it your way...off to ignore ya go.

See? You really are an annoying moron

 

[Brain357]

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

You sound like an annoying moron. Now beat it, I'm weary of your nonsense

Suggesting you listen to the Pope rather than politicians when it comes to God is nonsense? Funny.

Have it your way...off to ignore ya go.

See? You really are an annoying moron

I'm sure you always ignore good advice.

 

[Seawytch]

Jesus didn't live in a democracy. If he did, having actually read his words, he would not support cutting services to the poor...especially not to give to the military.

He never would have supported killing babies in the womb.

Then why didn't he say so? Why does the bible impose different penalties for someone who kills a person as opposed to a fetus?


Exodus 21:22-23 King James Version (KJV)
22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

And at the time Jesus walked the earth it was perfectly acceptable to leave deformed babies to die in the cold. We have no idea what the Jesus of 2,000 years ago would think of today.

What do you think he'd say looking at the wealth of "certain nations" and the abject poverty within those same countries (and outside its borders)? You really think women terminating unwanted pregnancies would be high on his list? They did it in his time too...and yet he spoke out MUCH more clearly on, oh. Say, divorce and money lending...

Are you kidding me? Do you understand what that verse meant from the OT? You quoted Jesus and then went to the OT. Yes, killing life would be pretty high I suppose.

Yes, the verse is quite clear. The penalty for killing a fetus is not the same as for killing the mother.

So, what DID Jesus say? Women were terminating pregnancies back then. (And leaving deformed children in the cold to die). What were his words on the subject?

If y'all don't buy any of the OT, why print it with the NT?

 

[Seawytch]

You are Catholic and ignore the pope.

I don't ignore him but being Catholic doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

He's a human and subject to his own free will

You choose to believe politicians instead. What could go wrong?

Again you stupid son of a bitch you don't know what I believe, you're projecting. Now run along and bother someone else, you're fucking annoying

You sound like a good Christian.

You sound like an annoying moron. Now beat it, I'm weary of your nonsense

Which in Sassy speak means she can't counter your factual arguments and you won't divulge into childish name calling. Off to "ignore" for you!

 

[Seawytch]

You said he made it VERY CLEAR. Cite the verses, sweetcakes.

Galatians 5:13
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free.

Joshua 24:15
15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Deuteronomy 11:26
26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse: the blessing, if you obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you today, and the curse, if you do not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside from the way that I am commanding you today, to go after other gods that you have not known.

It's endless my dear. The entire Bible is about free will.

Nice try but they don't support your claim that Jesus would be opposed to tax dollars helping the poor.

You asked about FREE WILL. I supported that. Game Over.

That wasn't your original claim, tap dancer.

 

[Rustic]

And where did he state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

So your main concern here is to assert your right to tell Jesus to go fuck himself when it comes to issues such as helping the poor.

Interesting.

So your main focus here is to lie when a post exposes your ignorance and your exploitation of the Bible is exposed? I'll ask the question just for you again:

Where in the Bible did it state that the poor should he helped at the barrel of a gun by government???

It's a simple question NYcarbineer. Are you incapable of answering it? Yep! As always...

If Jesus didn't teach that helping the poor was mandatory, then isn't it true that you can tell him go fuck himself and his advice to help the poor,

and still claim that you yourself are a good Christian?

I don't believe Jesus said things were mandatory as such. Instead, he said "this is what you need to do to reach Heaven, and besides, it's the right thing to do." That's why God made man with free will — the Lord wishes us to truly love Him and come to Him willingly.

But the idea that Jesus never wanted people to pay taxes to help the poor is unsupported at best. He never said, "Give unto the poor, but not through a government, that shit is stupid, yo." Render unto Caesar and all that.

Also, why do liberals have to prove the Bible says taxes to help the poor is a good thing? How about show where in the Bible it says to never help people through taxes?

First of all, many many liberals are in fact Christian, so a liberal vs. conservative debate about the teachings of Jesus is just one more debate about what it is to follow the teachings of Christ.

Progressives don't get to define what "Christian" is.
It is far too foreign to them.