Why we have gun crime...7 time felon with 4th gun case freed on ankle monitor tries to shoot and kill his girlfriend. Thanks democrats.

[2aguy]

Actually, no, it isn't Chatbot... Miller found the government could regulate firearms under the Second Amendment.

Nope.......it actually found that the government could not regulate military weapons.....

 

[Hollie]

which overturned Miller

Even SCOTUS has realized Miller was an overstep when it subsequently refused to lift machine gun restrictions in US v. Warin.

That's hilarious. In post 187 you made the ridiculous claim that the Heller decision was about Militias. When that was utterly debunked, you sidestepped and started stuttering and mumbling about Miller.

Walk away. This has gone horribly wrong for you.

 

[JoeB131]

That's hilarious. In post 187 you made the ridiculous claim that the Heller decision was about Militias. When that was utterly debunked, you sidestepped and started stuttering and mumbling about Miller.

No, miller found that the militia portion of the second allowed government to regulate weapons of war, such as Tommy Guns, which were the favorite of gangsters at the time.
As a result of tighter gun laws, the murder rate was cut in half by 1940.

 

[Hollie]

No, miller found that the militia portion of the second allowed government to regulate weapons of war, such as Tommy Guns, which were the favorite of gangsters at the time.
As a result of tighter gun laws, the murder rate was cut in half by 1940.

The Heller decision affirmed the rights of individuals to own firearms.

Go back through the tread and review your earlier claim it did not and your subsequent attempt to divert to Miller.

 

[Dadoalex]

You are the one with every post blaming normal gun owners instead of going after the criminals who actually stole their guns....that is you, not me.....and I am applying that stupid logic to rape and auto theft....

No, you are the one trying to deny your culpability in the murders of children because you want criminals to have guns.

Your fixation on rape is just your sick way of trying to deflect the guilt.

 

[Dadoalex]

No......your god, the government, failed. Some clerk in the air force, some JAG officer in the air force, failed to push a button to submit his record to NICS.......

I want to enforce existing laws....you are the idiot who thinks more laws, that won't be enforced, will work, this time, when the existing laws aren't being enforced now....

Not failed. CHOSE
Because he agrees with you people died.
His culpability in those murders is no different than yours.

 

[Dadoalex]

Don't need to know where the gun went, you simply catch the criminal using it........

Gun registration that actually happened....and how it failed massively.....followed by why gun registration doesn't solve crimes....and how bullet registration also fails...

Canada Tried Registering Long Guns -- And Gave Up

The law passed and starting in 1998 Canadians were required to have a license to own firearms and register their weapons with the government. According to Canadian researcher (and gun enthusiast) Gary Mauser, the Canada Firearms Center quickly rose to 600 employees and the cost of the effort climbed past $600 million. In 2002 Canada’s auditor general released a report saying initial cost estimates of $2 million (Canadian) had increased to $1 billion as the government tried to register the estimated 15 million guns owned by Canada’s 34 million residents.

The registry was plagued with complications like duplicate serial numbers and millions of incomplete records, Mauser reports. One person managed to register a soldering gun, demonstrating the lack of precise standards. And overshadowing the effort was the suspicion of misplaced effort: Pistols were used in 66% of gun homicides in 2011, yet they represent about 6% of the guns in Canada. Legal long guns were used in 11% of killings that year, according to Statistics Canada, while illegal weapons like sawed-off shotguns and machine guns, which by definition cannot be registered, were used in another 12%.

So the government was spending the bulk of its money — about $17 million of the Firearms Center’s $82 million annual budget — trying to register long guns when the statistics showed they weren’t the problem.

There was also the question of how registering guns was supposed to reduce crime and suicide in the first place. From 1997 to 2005, only 13% of the guns used in homicides were registered. Police studies in Canada estimated that 2-16% of guns used in crimes were stolen from legal owners and thus potentially in the registry. The bulk of the guns, Canadian officials concluded, were unregistered weapons imported illegally from the U.S. by criminal gangs.

Finally in 2011, conservatives led by Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper voted to abolish the long-gun registry and destroy all its records. Liberals argued the law had contributed to the decline in gun homicides since it was passed. But Mauser notes that gun homicides have actually been rising in recent years, from 151 in 1999 to 173 in 2009, as violent criminal gangs use guns in their drug turf wars and other disputes. As in the U.S., most gun homicides in Canada are committed by young males, many of them with criminal records. In the majority of homicides involving young males, the victim and the killer are know each other.


As to solving crimes....it doesn't...
10 Myths About The Long Gun Registry

Myth #4: Police investigations are aided by the registry.
Doubtful. Information contained in the registry is incomplete and unreliable. Due to the inaccuracy of the information, it cannot be used as evidence in court and the government has yet to prove that it has been a contributing factor in any investigation. Another factor is the dismal compliance rate (estimated at only 50%) for licensing and registration which further renders the registry useless. Some senior police officers have stated as such: “The law registering firearms has neither deterred these crimes nor helped us solve any of them. None of the guns we know to have been used were registered ... the money could be more effectively used for security against terrorism as well as a host of other public safety initiatives.” Former Toronto Police Chief Julian Fantino, January 2003.


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https://www.quora.com/In-countries-...olved-at-least-in-part-by-use-of-the-registry



Tracking physical objects that are easily transferred with a database is non-trivial problem. Guns that are stolen, loaned, or lost disappear from the registry. The data is has to be manually entered and input mistakes will both leak guns and generate false positive results.

Registries don’t solve straw-purchases. If someone goes through all of the steps to register a gun and simply gives it to a criminal that gun becomes unregistered. Assuming the gun is ever recovered you could theoretically try and prosecute the person who transferred the gun to the criminal, but you aren’t solving the crime you were trying to. Remember that people will prostitute themselves or even their children for drugs, so how much deterrence is there in a maybe-get-a-few-years for straw purchasing?

Registries are expensive. Canada’s registry was pitched as costing the taxpayer $2 million and the rest of the costs were to be payed for with registration fees. It was subject to massive cost overruns that were not being met by registrations fees. When the program was audited in 2002 the program was expected to cost over $1 billion and that the fee revenue was only expected to be $140 million.

No gun recovered. If no gun was recovered at the scene of the crime then your registry isn’t even theoretically helping, let alone providing a practical tool. You need a world where criminals meticulously register their guns and leave them at the crime scene for a registry to start to become useful.

Say I have a registered gun, and a known associate of mine was shot and killed. Ballistics is able to determine that my known associate was killed with the same make and model as the gun I registered. A registry doesn’t prove that my gun was used, or that I was the one doing the shooting. I was a suspect as soon as we said “known associate” and the police will then being looking for motive and checking for my alibi.
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In the Pittsburgh Tribune Review: Pa. gun registry waste of money, resources - Crime Prevention Research Center

Gun-control advocates have long claimed that a comprehensive registry would be an effective safety tool. Their reasoning is straightforward: If a gun has been left at a crime scene, the registry will link the crime gun back to the criminal.

Nice logic, but reality has never worked that way. Crime guns are rarely left at crime scenes. The few that are have been unregistered — criminals are not stupid enough to leave behind a gun that’s registered to them. When a gun is left at the scene, it is usually because the criminal has been seriously injured or killed. These crimes would have been solved even without registration.

Registration hasn’t worked in Pennsylvania or other places. During a 2001 lawsuit, the Pennsylvania State Police could not identify a specific crime that had been solved through the registration system from 1901 to 2001, though they did claim that it had “assisted” in a total of four cases but they could provide no details.

During a 2013 deposition, the Washington, D.C., police chief said that she could not “recall any specific instance where registration records were used to determine who committed a crime.”

When I testified before the Hawaii State Senate in 2000, the Honolulu chief of police also stated that he couldn’t find any crimes that had been solved due to registration and licensing. The chief also said that his officers devoted about 50,000 hours each year to registering and licensing guns. This time is being taken away from traditional, time-tested law enforcement activities.

Of course, many are concerned that registration lists will eventually be used to confiscate people’s guns. Given that such lists have been used to force people to turn in guns in California, Connecticut, New York and Chicago, these fears aren’t entirely unjustified.

Instead of wasting money and precious police time on a gun registry that won’t solve crime, Pennsylvania should get rid of the program that we already have and spend our resources on programs that matter. Traditional policing works, and we should all be concerned that this bill will keep even more officers from important duties.


Bullet tracking..

Maryland scraps gun "fingerprint" database after 15 failed years
Millions of dollars later, Maryland has officially decided that its 15-year effort to store and catalog the "fingerprints" of thousands of handguns was a failure.

Since 2000, the state required that gun manufacturers fire every handgun to be sold here and send the spent bullet casing to authorities. The idea was to build a database of "ballistic fingerprints" to help solve future crimes.

But the system — plagued by technological problems — never solved a single case. Now the hundreds of thousands of accumulated casings could be sold for scrap.

"Obviously, I'm disappointed," said former Gov. Parris N. Glendening, a Democrat whose administration pushed for the database to fulfill a campaign promise. "It's a little unfortunate, in that logic and common sense suggest that it would be a good crime-fighting tool."

The database "was a waste," said Frank Sloane, owner of Pasadena Gun & Pawn in Anne Arundel County. "There's things that they could have done that would have made sense. This didn't make any sense."

I know you hate the idea of tracing gun crime back to its source.
And the reason is evident.
Lots of money to be made in the secondary gun market, right?

 

[Dadoalex]

You won’t find many “gun nuts” in the military. Firearms are simply tools for soldiers.

Don't need many. Just one in charge of updating records is enough to create multiple mass shootings in Texas.

 

[Blues Man]

No, you are the one trying to deny your culpability in the murders of children because you want criminals to have guns.

Your fixation on rape is just your sick way of trying to deflect the guilt.

I have absolutely no culpability in any murders.

 

[Dadoalex]

Yeah dude just admit you were wrong and move on.

I admit you are wrong.

I'm not the one who doesn't know the definitions of the words I use.

So I'lll use smaller words to help you.

militia = right to bear
No militia = no right.

Sorry for the multi-syllabic "militia" I know it hurt your brain.

 

[Blues Man]

I admit you are wrong.

So I'lll use smaller words to help you.

militia = right to bear
No militia = no right.

Sorry for the multi-syllabic "militia" I know it hurt your brain.

What about the word "keep"?

Keep means own, or hold, or possess so obviously people were meant to possess arms. And the keeping and bearing of arms is the right of the people not the militia. We have no collective rights as ALL rights are individual rights and are not granted by government but are inherent in every single individual.

 

[Blues Man]

I admit you are wrong.

So I'lll use smaller words to help you.

militia = right to bear
No militia = no right.

Sorry for the multi-syllabic "militia" I know it hurt your brain.

and then there is this.

The Mysterious Meaning of the Second Amendment

Even with the help of powerful 21st-century linguistic databases, the phrase “keep and bear arms” remains debatable.

www.theatlantic.com

Based on these findings, we are more convinced by Scalia’s majority opinion than Stevens’s dissent

 

[Dadoalex]

What about the word "keep"?

Keep means own, or hold, or possess so obviously people were meant to possess arms. And the keeping and bearing of arms is the right of the people not the militia. We have no collective rights as ALL rights are individual rights and are not granted by government but are inherent in every single individual.

If part of a militia.
But if not, no such right exists.

 

[Dadoalex]

and then there is this.

The Mysterious Meaning of the Second Amendment

Even with the help of powerful 21st-century linguistic databases, the phrase “keep and bear arms” remains debatable.

www.theatlantic.com

Based on these findings, we are more convinced by Scalia’s majority opinion than Stevens’s dissent

Note the militia part left out.
No militia, no right.

 

[Blues Man]

Note the militia part left out.
No militia, no right.

I notice you don't give any other proof than your own opinion. And opinions are like assholes...

 

[Dadoalex]

I notice you don't give any other proof than your own opinion. And opinions are like assholes...

No, you are like assholes.
Putting out nothing but crap.
The proof?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Right there in the words if you choose to read them

 

[Bell Huey]

No, you are like assholes.
Putting out nothing but crap.
The proof?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,
the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Right there in the words if you choose to read them

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes​

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(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.(

b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Dadoalex]

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes​

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(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.(

b)The classes of the militia are—

(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

www.law.cornell.edu

No militia, no right.

 

[Bell Huey]

No militia, no right.

2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Nod.

 

[Dadoalex]

2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Nod.

Well organized
No WELL ORGANIZED militia, no right.