Why we should listen to the 97%

[PMZ]

According to this guy, you should have failed.

The dangers of plutonium are analyzed in detail in a Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Report that is available on the web at www.llnl.gov/csts/publications/sutcliffe/118825.html. Here are the key facts:

Plutonium is toxic both because of its chemical effects and because of its radioactivity. The chemical toxicity is similar to that of other "heavy metals" and is not the cause for the widespread fear. The dangers are different for ingestiion and for inhalation.

Ingestion. For acute radiation poisoning, the lethal dose is estimated to be 500 milligrams (mg), i.e. about 1/2 gram. A common poison, cyanide, requires a dose 5 times smaller to cause death: 100 mg. Thus for ingestion, plutonium is very toxic, but five times less toxic than cyanide. There is also a risk of cancer from ingestion, with a lethal doze (1 cancer) for 480 mg.

Inhalation. For inhalation, the plutonium can cause death within a month (from pulmonary fibrosis or pulmonary edema); that requires 20 mg inhaled. To cause cancer with high probability, the amount that must be inhaled is 0.08 mg = 80 micrograms. The lethal dose for botulism toxin is 0.070 micrograms = 70 nanograms, a factor of

How easy is it to breathe in 0.08 mg = 80 micrograms? To get to the critical part of the lungs, the particle must be no larger than about 3 microns. A particle of that size has a mass of about 0.140 micrograms. To get to a dose of 80 micrograms requires 80/0.14 = 560 particles.

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Are you arguing that because it's not the most toxic substance in the world, it's not toxic?

No, I am arguing that Snookie's claim that one milligram, anywhere, will kill you instantly, is wrong.
Nader should have taken the dare. Wimp.

He didn't say instantly. That's not how radiation works.

 

[PMZ]

Yeah sure. You watch this video and let us know how effective your little tin hats are fool.

God are you stupid.

I know! And yet, compared to you, I'm a certifiable genius!

Only in your mind.

 

[PMZ]

Everyone who doesn't want to waste tens of trillions for a tiny reduction in CO2.

Still think reprocessing spent fuel creates fissile materials?
Or that Plutonium isn't for reactors?

Yes. I proved it to you. Why do you think that we don't do it?

Sorry, dummy, plutonium isn't created by chemical processing.

You seem to have two modes. Not answering or answering a different question than asked.

 

[PMZ]

Sorry, dummy, plutonium isn't created by chemical processing.

Reprocessing spent fuel rods is more a mechanical process (think centrifuges). And plutonium, like any other chemical, can certainly be manipulated (isolated for instance) by chemical processes. It's not magic.

Manipulating and isolating is not creating.

Nobody said it was asshole.

 

[PMZ]

Todd -

Do you ever wonder if the reason why you struggle to understand these topics is because you ignore the information other posters present for you, in favour of laughable attempts at oneupmanship?

Pointing out the errors in those claims is not a struggle at all.

Normal is it useful to anyone. Nor is it topical.

 

[PMZ]

Todd -

Has the coal industry ever received subsidies?

It has received far less subsidies than the warmist cult members claim. It also only received subsidies 200 years after it started. if an industry can't survive without subsidies, then it's doomed to fail. It's nothing but a burden on consumers and taxpayers. Why would any rational person want to enable that?

Shows us what's been claimed by warmist cult members.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tell that to the Japanese.

What does your huge error have to do with the Japanese?

If you are that stupid, then I am not going to waste my time explaining it to you. Gotta draw you people pictures, for crist sake.

You said 1 mg kills instantly.
Not my fault you're wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Are you arguing that because it's not the most toxic substance in the world, it's not toxic?

No, I am arguing that Snookie's claim that one milligram, anywhere, will kill you instantly, is wrong.
Nader should have taken the dare. Wimp.

He didn't say instantly. That's not how radiation works.

One thousand of a gram will kill you instantly. One million of a gram will kill you in 5 years.

I did a paper on it in college.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/envir...should-listen-to-the-97-a-55.html#post7833050

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes. I proved it to you. Why do you think that we don't do it?

Sorry, dummy, plutonium isn't created by chemical processing.

You seem to have two modes. Not answering or answering a different question than asked.

Todd "Still think reprocessing spent fuel creates fissile materials?"

PMZ "Yes. I proved it to you."

It's right there, above your comment.
ESL?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Reprocessing spent fuel rods is more a mechanical process (think centrifuges). And plutonium, like any other chemical, can certainly be manipulated (isolated for instance) by chemical processes. It's not magic.

Manipulating and isolating is not creating.

Nobody said it was asshole.

Besides you, idiot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd -

Do you ever wonder if the reason why you struggle to understand these topics is because you ignore the information other posters present for you, in favour of laughable attempts at oneupmanship?

Pointing out the errors in those claims is not a struggle at all.

Normal is it useful to anyone. Nor is it topical.

Your errors are certainly topical.

 

[bripat9643]

Todd -

Has the coal industry ever received subsidies?

It has received far less subsidies than the warmist cult members claim. It also only received subsidies 200 years after it started. if an industry can't survive without subsidies, then it's doomed to fail. It's nothing but a burden on consumers and taxpayers. Why would any rational person want to enable that?

Shows us what's been claimed by warmist cult members.

Here's the quote from Saigon's signature:

"In the US, the federal government has paid US$74 billion for energy subsidies to support R&D for nuclear power ($50 billion) and fossil fuels ($24 billion) from 1973 to 2003.During this same timeframe, renewable energy technologies and energy efficiency received a total of US$26 billion."​

 

[Abraham3]

Radium-224 Half Life 3.6 days
Radon-222 Half Life 3.8 days
Polonium-210 Half Life 138 days
Thorium-228 Half Life 1.9 years
Plutonium-238 Half-life 87.7 years
Plutonium-240 Half Life 6,560 years
Plutonium-239 Half Life 24,100 years

Half-life is not an alternate measure of alpha decay rates. Plutonium decays by alpha, beta and gamma decay. The Wikipedia article explicitly states that it is a more powerful alpha emitter than is radon.

I didn't see radon in that article or in your post.
What did it say?

My goof, it was radium. Mea culpa.

In the case of human subjects, this involved injecting solutions containing (typically) five micrograms of plutonium into hospital patients thought to be either terminally ill, or to have a life expectancy of less than ten years either due to age or chronic disease condition.[70] This was reduced to one microgram in July 1945 after animal studies found that the way plutonium distributed itself in bones was more dangerous than radium.[71]

 

[westwall]

The compelling evidence is that the more the climate changes from what we built civilization around the more we'll spend adapting to the new one.

You hope that by denying that proven fact you can get others to pay for your lifestyle.

Your plot to overthrow the country by denial lies, to impose that BS on all of us, is obvious now.

It's not happening.

You have zero evidence to support that. Absolutely none. What you do have is the requirement that we squander 76 trillion dollars in the vain hope that it will reduce the global temps by one degree in 100 years.....maybe. That's ALL you've got.

Only you have zero evidence. Science has a great deal. Compelling.

The fact that you ignore it has no effect on it.

And to date you have never presented a single measurable item. Why is that?

 

[Abraham3]

Because your grasp of reality is so ineffably tenuous.

 

[PMZ]

You have zero evidence to support that. Absolutely none. What you do have is the requirement that we squander 76 trillion dollars in the vain hope that it will reduce the global temps by one degree in 100 years.....maybe. That's ALL you've got.

Only you have zero evidence. Science has a great deal. Compelling.

The fact that you ignore it has no effect on it.

And to date you have never presented a single measurable item. Why is that?

That statement is simply what you wish was true. It's disconnected from reality.

The proof is all around and equally available to all of us. Everybody who cares, except deniers, has taken the time and made the effort to keep up with the IPCC and science. You've chosen to maintain a closed mind in hopes of advancing your political objectives. Control of US climate policy.

The failure of this political strategy is just one more in a long line of failures of conservative politics.

Democracies don't reward failure. The consequences of that are upon you.

 

[PrometheusBound]

You can bet that every card carrying Communist in the world became so by falling for a slick sales pitch showing how Communism would make their personal life not so miserable.

Just like the card carrying conservative, here.

Power is very seductive, so empowering folks to impose what's good for them on others is an easy sell to those unable to grasp the big picture.

We are protected from both communism and conservatism here by democracy but only as long as we maintain an adequately informed electorate. Support education. Support science. Support a legitimate fourth estate. Resist gerrymandering and voter suppression. Get the Grover Norquists and Karl Roves and Donald Trumps of the world out of DC.

You can thank our anti-democratic Sacred Cow Constitution for that. It was written behind closed doors by slick lawyers for the 1% of that time, ratified by the state legislators representing only their own states' 1%. The people never voted on it, just like we don't vote on Amendments. Notice how the Right Wing scribbling prostitutes for the plutocracy are the ones who worship it the most?

Thank god the vast mass of numskulls weren't allowed to have any say in the Constitution. If they had, the US would have descended into chaos 100 years ago.

BTW, thanks for announcing to the entire forum that you despise the Constitution.

Constitutionazis make the Land of the Free just like a theocratic dictatorship with the Constitution as its Bible. Supreme laws and Supreme Courts are for Supreme Beings, and not believing in the Constitution is no different from not believing in Supreme Beings.

 

[PrometheusBound]

Todd -

Has the coal industry ever received subsidies?

It has received far less subsidies than the warmist cult members claim. It also only received subsidies 200 years after it started. if an industry can't survive without subsidies, then it's doomed to fail. It's nothing but a burden on consumers and taxpayers. Why would any rational person want to enable that?

Are you saying that the coal industry is doomed to fail?

Look at its competition, the oil industry. All the anti-coal propaganda was financed by the oil industry. All the Warmie propaganda also, because it shuts down oilfields and creates an artificial scarcity and consumer desperation, allowing the oil-slimed 1% to charge us 20 times what the production costs are. Remember, crude oil is used for plastics, fertilizer, and other high-profit margin products. That more than covers the cost of oil, so the gasoline they gouge us on costs them nothing.

 

[PrometheusBound]

This is why we don't take you seriously.

2013 conflict in Syria blamed on drought caused by global warming ? Flashback 1933: ?YO-YO BANNED IN SYRIA ? Blamed For Drought By Moslems? | Climate Depot

Notice the use of "Moslem" instead of "Muslim" (as if copycats who go on the Internet are capable of noticing anything they are not told to notice). "Moslem" was the word used in Old School days.

You can memorize every word of 1984 and not be capable of recognizing that this is the real-life version of Newspeak, which our ruling class started implanting in the 1960s. In this case, they wanted us to take a different attitude towards their OPEC allies and discredit any history dealing with Moslems by changing words. Also, we have to kowtow to these foreigners from now on and use the names they demand we use.

Why do you think the 1% even allowed us to read 1984 at all? First, because they wanted us to think it was only about Communism, though Orwell himself was a Socialist. Second, because they knew that, by dumbing us down, they could cripple our ability to make analogies, so if they don't indoctrinate us into using the exact words of the novel's Newspeak or have TVs everywhere telling us that BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, then we wouldn't notice how our mind is being pushed into the direction our self-appointed rulers want us to go. And we are taught to think that it has to be the same process, when just the act of us watching TV so many hours from childhood on makes us passive, no matter what the content. Likewise, with the Matrix, we can't make the cognitive transition from a false real life being put into our heads in the Matrix and false conclusions being put into our heads in real life, such as that 9/11 meant Attack Iraq as the logical retaliation.

And I wonder how many besides me interpreted this post as something inspired right out of the Alinksy playbook?

Typical worthless contribution from a John Birch Society fanatic who thinks anyone who doesn't follow his slavish worship of the rich must be some kind of Commie. Since you are in a mindless cult, you think everybody else must be the slave of some guru too. Your paranoia is a sure sign of denial; you know perfectly well what a bootlicker on your way to being a jackboot thug you are. You are a worm studying to be a snake.

 

[Abraham3]

It's been my observation that your typical devout conservative is about ten times as familiar with Saul Alinsky as is the typical devout liberal.