Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[Nic_Driver]

that Saddam had hidden for over five years from UN weapons inspectors

You really need to read up on the yellow cake you keep talking about.

The UN knew it was there. They found, labeled and packaged it for storage a long time before Bush's invasion. It was all accounted for and no additional yellow cake was found after Bush invaded.

In fact, had Bush allowed the UN inspector’s time to finish their inspection they would have also found the small amount of unusable mustard and Sarin gas to which you keep referring.

You should read more JRK.

 

[Nic_Driver]

Yellowcake Uranium Found In Iraq, Bush Was Right! Well, Not So Much | Crooks and Liars

If you check into this, you'll quickly find that the uranium a) was not weapons grade and b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam's government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.

I wondered if the right wing echo chamber would use this as "proof" that the WMD claims were true after all. I got even better than I hoped, as not only do they use it that way, but they reveal how dishonest they are by the way they have done this.

You reveal how dishonest you are when you claim the yellow cake as vindication.

 

[Nic_Driver]

U.S. Secretly Takes Yellowcake From Iraq - CBS News

Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said.

 

[idb]

no-one here claimed the yellow cake was from any where
stockpiled by the UN?
Barack Obama has ordered the return of US troops to Iraq after 550 metric tons of ‘sumptuous’ yellow cake was discovered in areas surrounding Saddam Hussein’s palace, proving
Yellow Cake 'Motherload' Discovered In Iraq | Mostly Legitimate News Network
And as far as the gas? first what we found
The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
wjats worse is what Saddam hus self stated he had we have never found
This quotr is from the Un and is the rvrnt that triggered the invasion

The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.

now for anthrax and other nasty stuff
Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent, which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction.
There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.
As I reported to the Council on 19 December last year, Iraq did not declare a significant quantity, some 650 kg, of bacterial growth media, which was acknowledged as imported in Iraq's submission to the Amorim panel in February 1999. As part of its 7 December 2002 declaration, Iraq resubmitted the Amorim panel document, but the table showing this particular import of media was not included. The absence of this table would appear to be deliberate as the pages of the resubmitted document were renumbered.
In the letter of 24 January to the President of the Council, Iraq's Foreign Minister stated that "all imported quantities of growth media were declared". This is not evidence. I note that the quantity of media involved would suffice to produce, for example, about 5,000 litres of concentrated anthrax.
UNMOVIC - [ Selected Security Council Briefings ]
there
Please in the future do your DD
you opinion is just that, your opinion, I respect that
the facts state other wise
this event has evolved, the press and the liberal did not evolve with it

It wasn't a threat to our security. Opinion? Probably, but it can just as easily be said that assuming they were a threat because of the presence of weapons is just as much of an opinion. I haven't seen anything here that proves we were in danger and I haven't seen anything post-major operations that lead me to believe the terror threat in general has diminished.

Do you think those we were killing in Iraq were Iraqis?
do you think this world is not safer without Saddam?
do you really feel that a country that had a 62% voter turn-out in there last election that had saddam Hussien running the show wit no elections 10 years ago is no better for the world?
maybe not
but those are the evenets as they have evolved
I wish 9-11 had never happened
I pray that saddam had done the right thing as well as the UN (WITHOUT THE KICKBACKS)

Ha!
In 2002 Saddam won 100% of the votes in a free and fair election, and in the previous election he won 99.96%.
I'd say that was a ringing endorsement...wouldn't you?

The US wiped out the what must surely have been the world's most popular government.

 

[JRK]

that Saddam had hidden for over five years from UN weapons inspectors

You really need to read up on the yellow cake you keep talking about.

The UN knew it was there. They found, labeled and packaged it for storage a long time before Bush's invasion. It was all accounted for and no additional yellow cake was found after Bush invaded.

In fact, had Bush allowed the UN inspector’s time to finish their inspection they would have also found the small amount of unusable mustard and Sarin gas to which you keep referring.

You should read more JRK.

Is this the same CBS that allowed forged documents that was lies about GWB time in the natinal gaurd?
That annonced Gore had won florida will 1000s waited in line to vote

During the lead-up to war in March 2003, Hans Blix had found no stockpiles of WMD and had
stockpile None; programme was infiltrated, abandoned, destroyed by Israel and Iran in 1989. Officially program ended in 1990.

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Evidence of WMDs presence in Iraq. - a knol by Luis T. Puig


The TRUE story of the WMDs in Iraq will not be know for some time, but more and more information is coming out pointing that "something" was there...

Here is some of that information:

Iraqi "yellow cake" transferred:

USATODAY.com - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization

Quote: "The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the United States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said."

...material that could have been used to make dirty bombs...well, if that is not materials for a form of WMDs then I do not know what is kids!...lol...!

Now that was in 2004, here is more today, in 2008:

AFP: Iraqi uranium transferred to Canada

...and

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."..Again! more evidence that Saddam HAD materials for WMDs!

ALL those that yell "there were no WMD in Iraq", and that therefore the invasion was illegal of a crime etc are just WRONG!

This nuclear material was hidden from the UN inspectors, a clear violation of the UN sanctions and restrictions! ...never mind in addition to the many other things we also found after the invasion, example:

forbidden Iraqi Air Force planes buried in the sand at The al Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad in Iraq (posted photos:

Quote:" What military search teams eventually found at al Taqqadum, in July 2003: a reported 30 to 40 planes, including several MiG-25 and Su-25 ground attack jets, buried more than 10 feet beneath tons of soil and covered with camouflage netting. According to the Pentagon, at least one of the MiG-25s was found because searchers spotted its twin tail fins protruding from the sand. Some of the planes had been wrapped in plastic sheeting to protect their electronics and machinery from the sand (and some had had their wings removed), but others were interred with little or no protection from the sand or the elements. The recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the aircraft."
(press release by Department of Defense, 2003)

more WMD evidence:

" Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered",

Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered

Quote: "BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.

Monday's early morning raid found 11 precursor agents, "some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lt. Col. Steven A. Boylan, said in Baghdad."

...more evidence that Iraqi forces under Saddam had WMD expertise, and even after the fall of their leader in 2003 the remaining dismembered Baathists were trying to use that knowlwedge and some leftover WMD materials to use against our forces!

more evidence:

Chemical weapon antidotes found in Iraqi base:

Chemical weapon antidotes found in Iraqi base - 26 March 2003 - New Scientist

Quote: "US Marines say they have discovered drugs used by soldiers to counter chemical weapons and 3000 chemical protection suits at a hospital used by Iraqi forces in the town of An Nasariyah. The discovery has added to fears that Iraq might use chemical weapons against invading British and US troops.

In particular, General Vincent Brooks, at US Central Command in Doha, Qatar, said on Wednesday that Marines had confiscated "nerve agent antidote auto-injectors" at the hospital."

This reminds me of a blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

...same thing here, Saddam forces did not have anti-chemical agent drugs unless they expected chemical weapons (again WMDs) to be used...!

and the United States does not use WMDs, it is a matter of national policy, as were Saddam HAD... against Iran, and its own people, the Kurds!


..and more evidence:

UK Troops Say They Find More Iraqi Chemical Suits

UK Troops Say They Find More Iraqi Chemical Suits

Quote: "British troops have found a stash of Iraqi equipment designed to protect soldiers from chemical attack, including protective suits, training materials and nerve gas antidote.

Sunday's discovery at an ordinance facility south of Basra did not appear to include any actual weapons of mass destruction -- the elusive "smoking gun" that Washington and London hope will eventually justify their invasion of Iraq.

But troops did find items including a Geiger counter, gas masks and nerve gas simulators, which British officers said indicated that Iraqi troops were being trained to deal with the possibility of chemical or nuclear warfare."

...again my blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

WMD gear, gas masks, WMD warfare TRAINING simulators...!


...more, this evidence:

even a CNN report in 2003...

"Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard"

Redirect Notice

Quote: "(CNN) -- The CIA has in its hands the critical parts of a key piece of Iraqi nuclear technology -- parts needed to develop a bomb program -- that were dug up in a back yard in Baghdad, CNN has learned.

The parts, with accompanying plans, were unearthed by Iraqi scientist Mahdi Obeidi who had hidden them under a rose bush in his garden 12 years ago under orders from Qusay Hussein and Saddam Hussein's then son-in-law, Hussein Kamel."

...again my blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

it is clear Saddam was in violation of UN sanctions again and again... and again, and just waiting for the UN to give up so he could get "back to business"...!

There are reports that he even did have WMDs, but as we prepared for our final assault he decided to send the WMD stockpile in a hurry to his Baath Party pals in Syria...:

"Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says"

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun

Quote: "The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's

You keep it up, your doing a better job than I can

 

[Akimbot]

The US hasn't even won that war yet. It's been what, 9 years? So much for America being a superpower, you can't even take Iraq.

 

[JRK]

The US hasn't even won that war yet. It's been what, 9 years? So much for America being a superpower, you can't even take Iraq.

the war is over
Saddam is gone
weapons are gone
62% of the iraqi population voted in the last election
in 5 mnths we will have only 10,000 troops left if any

 

[Akimbot]

The US hasn't even won that war yet. It's been what, 9 years? So much for America being a superpower, you can't even take Iraq.

the war is over
Saddam is gone
weapons are gone
62% of the iraqi population voted in the last election
in 5 mnths we will have only 10,000 troops left if any

Open your eyes, war is not over. Americans are still dying there.
There never were any WMD, and Saddam is gone, boo fucking hoo. Life was better under Saddam anyways. And 99% of the people voted.

 

[JRK]

The US hasn't even won that war yet. It's been what, 9 years? So much for America being a superpower, you can't even take Iraq.

the war is over
Saddam is gone
weapons are gone
62% of the iraqi population voted in the last election
in 5 mnths we will have only 10,000 troops left if any

Open your eyes, war is not over. Americans are still dying there.
There never were any WMD, and Saddam is gone, boo fucking hoo. Life was better under Saddam anyways. And 99% of the people voted.

in iraq?
not for some time
how many were murdered in the US last night
as far as WMDs go

The TRUE story of the WMDs in Iraq will not be know for some time, but more and more information is coming out pointing that "something" was there...

Here is some of that information:

Iraqi "yellow cake" transferred:

USATODAY.com - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization

Quote: "The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the United States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said."

...material that could have been used to make dirty bombs...well, if that is not materials for a form of WMDs then I do not know what is kids!...lol...!

Now that was in 2004, here is more today, in 2008:

AFP: Iraqi uranium transferred to Canada

...and

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."

..Again! more evidence that Saddam HAD materials for WMDs!

ALL those that yell "there were no WMD in Iraq", and that therefore the invasion was illegal of a crime etc are just WRONG!

This nuclear material was hidden from the UN inspectors, a clear violation of the UN sanctions and restrictions! ...never mind in addition to the many other things we also found after the invasion, example:

forbidden Iraqi Air Force planes buried in the sand at The al Taqqadum air field west of Baghdad in Iraq (posted photos:

Quote:" What military search teams eventually found at al Taqqadum, in July 2003: a reported 30 to 40 planes, including several MiG-25 and Su-25 ground attack jets, buried more than 10 feet beneath tons of soil and covered with camouflage netting. According to the Pentagon, at least one of the MiG-25s was found because searchers spotted its twin tail fins protruding from the sand. Some of the planes had been wrapped in plastic sheeting to protect their electronics and machinery from the sand (and some had had their wings removed), but others were interred with little or no protection from the sand or the elements. The recovery teams had to use large earth-moving equipment to uncover the aircraft."
(press release by Department of Defense, 2003)

more WMD evidence:

" Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered",

Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered

Quote: "BAGHDAD, Aug. 13 -- U.S. troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on U.S. and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said Saturday.

Monday's early morning raid found 11 precursor agents, "some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lt. Col. Steven A. Boylan, said in Baghdad."

...more evidence that Iraqi forces under Saddam had WMD expertise, and even after the fall of their leader in 2003 the remaining dismembered Baathists were trying to use that knowlwedge and some leftover WMD materials to use against our forces!

more evidence:

Chemical weapon antidotes found in Iraqi base:

Chemical weapon antidotes found in Iraqi base - 26 March 2003 - New Scientist

Quote: "US Marines say they have discovered drugs used by soldiers to counter chemical weapons and 3000 chemical protection suits at a hospital used by Iraqi forces in the town of An Nasariyah. The discovery has added to fears that Iraq might use chemical weapons against invading British and US troops.

In particular, General Vincent Brooks, at US Central Command in Doha, Qatar, said on Wednesday that Marines had confiscated "nerve agent antidote auto-injectors" at the hospital."

This reminds me of a blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

...same thing here, Saddam forces did not have anti-chemical agent drugs unless they expected chemical weapons (again WMDs) to be used...!

and the United States does not use WMDs, it is a matter of national policy, as were Saddam HAD... against Iran, and its own people, the Kurds!


..and more evidence:

UK Troops Say They Find More Iraqi Chemical Suits

UK Troops Say They Find More Iraqi Chemical Suits

Quote: "British troops have found a stash of Iraqi equipment designed to protect soldiers from chemical attack, including protective suits, training materials and nerve gas antidote.

Sunday's discovery at an ordinance facility south of Basra did not appear to include any actual weapons of mass destruction -- the elusive "smoking gun" that Washington and London hope will eventually justify their invasion of Iraq.

But troops did find items including a Geiger counter, gas masks and nerve gas simulators, which British officers said indicated that Iraqi troops were being trained to deal with the possibility of chemical or nuclear warfare."

...again my blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

WMD gear, gas masks, WMD warfare TRAINING simulators...!


...more, this evidence:

even a CNN report in 2003...

"Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard"

Redirect Notice

Quote: "(CNN) -- The CIA has in its hands the critical parts of a key piece of Iraqi nuclear technology -- parts needed to develop a bomb program -- that were dug up in a back yard in Baghdad, CNN has learned.

The parts, with accompanying plans, were unearthed by Iraqi scientist Mahdi Obeidi who had hidden them under a rose bush in his garden 12 years ago under orders from Qusay Hussein and Saddam Hussein's then son-in-law, Hussein Kamel."

...again my blunt phrase: "you don't put a condom on unless you are going to screw, do you?"

it is clear Saddam was in violation of UN sanctions again and again... and again, and just waiting for the UN to give up so he could get "back to business"...!

There are reports that he even did have WMDs, but as we prepared for our final assault he decided to send the WMD stockpile in a hurry to his Baath Party pals in Syria...:

"Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says"

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun

Quote: "The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed."

Saddam knew we were coming, there are reports that he even got details of the American invasion from the Russians:

"Iraq Archive Document Alleges Russian Official Described Locations, Troops, Tanks and Other Forces Before Operation Iraqi Freedom Began" ABC news.

Did Russian Ambassador Give Saddam the U.S. War Plan? - ABC News

Saddam then knew we were coming, he knew that not in a million years was it possible for him and his forces to stop us, and that he was going to loose badly, so instead of been caught "red handed" with WMDs he decided to pull the oldest trick in the book...pass the weapons to a "stacher" for safe keeping (Syria) so then he would look "clean" of WMDs after the invasion in the eyes of the world....oldest trick in the book.

Hey... anyone heared of this: drug dealer knows cops are coming, he passes drugs to pal near by, cops arrive, he gets frisked and found "clean", cops leave, he gets drugs back from staching pal and is back in business...oldest trick in the book kids!

same thing here!

All of this point to a more troubling thing, and that is that if all those WMDs got away, those WMDs can now be in the hands of other terrorist states and/or groups, and the administration knows this, but prefers to take "a hit" by been seen as having been "wrong" in the intelligence assesment of Iraq having WMDs, rather than having been right all along on Saddam having WMDs, but having really screwed up in losing the opportunity to capture those weapons in Iraq by not invading with enough forces (also reason for the mess after the invasion), and now those weapons are in the hands of many of our enemies.

And this is possibly the real truth of the Iraq WMDs story.

My scenario:

Saddam had WMDs', he saw us coming, the Russians even gave him intel on how and were we were going to come in from, he realized he could not stop us, so he decided to get rid of the weapons until a later time by passing them to the guys next door in Syria; we came in too late, too slow to catch the WMDs weapons been moved, Bush realized that he had just missed the WMDs and that it was too late for him to go after them them in Syria (never mind that now he, Bush, was bogged down in a guerrilla war in Iraq with no spare troops to do anything else anywhere else, and thus decided to take the hit and look incompetent regarding intel on the WMDs instead of looking incompetent on not been able to get the existing WMDs.


As for the evidence..., the "yellow cake", the buried weapons, the WMDs antidotes, the WMDs protective gear, the WMDs Training gear, etc etc etc, is clear evidence that he was NOT an innocent victim in this war, and who knows what else he had, what else he buried in those immense sand dunes, or what else he sent to Syria...


The whole story will not be know for a long time, but as evidence shows he was guilty as charge, and thus the 2003 Invasion was justified...problem was Bush/Rumsfeld

Evidence of WMDs presence in Iraq. - a knol by Luis T. Puig

being against the war is your right
changing history to support is not

 

[traveler52]

Yes, I did. There are even more eloquent neo cons than you making all kinds of excuses about the disaster of going into Iraq! Be proud of the war YOU REPUBS started!

I dont know how old you are
the vote in congress had 29 Dems voted for it out of 50
besides
Saddam does the right thing from 1991 thru 2003
there is not war

The liberal will never understand the concept of root cause

funny, I dont know old you are either. But then again, I dont care too much anyway.

root cause? ha ha. take credit for the war you guys started. you can name dems all day that voted for it. You seem to think I am a democrat or something. But I do know who dragged this country in iraq. And I HAVE been against it from the beginning! and you know what that makes me? RIGHT!

Being a DAD, I always taught my kids to be honest and stop with the excuse making. The way you neo cons characterize the WAR YOU STARTED shows me a desperate group of people running away from something they started and blaming everyone else! excuses abound! Deflections! Unfortunately for you, I DO REMEMBER Bush staring America in the eye at his State of the Union Adress and LYING to me and the rest of America! OWN UP TO IT, MAN!

There was no "Root Cause". Saddam WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001!!!

There noWeapons of Mass Destruction (W.M.D.). W.M.D. = LIE.

The were no mobile Biological or Chemical Labs. Biological and Chemical Labs = LIE.

There was no Nuclear Weapons Program. Nuclear Weapons Program = LIE.

There was no Attempt To Purchase "Yellow Cake Uranium" from Niger. Attempt To Purchase "Yellow Cake Uranium" = LIE.

The shrub promised Congress to return to the U.N. For Another Vote on Use of Force.
Promise to Congress = LIE.

The Illegal and Constitutional Invasion of Iraq had no Moral or Legal Standing.

The shrub stated before his election he wanted to Invade Iraq.

The shrub and dead-eye dick(less) both admitted to authorizing the use of Water Boarding, Water Boarding under International Law is Torture, and Torture Under International Law is a War Crime.

A war based on lies, half-truths, deception, and mis-direction cannot be considered a success.

U.S. Troops Maimed in Battle were warehouse in filthy, mold covered, rodent infested rooms, and charged for their meals.

Don't talk about success in Iraq.

Iraq should never have happened.

Thousands of U.S. Soldiers killed.

Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi Men, Women and Children (Including all those "Un-Born" babies the RW rants about because they hate abortion. No "Right To Life" for un-born Iraqi babies).

The RW wanted the lies.

The RW needed the lies.

The RW still believes the lies.

 

[JRK]

I dont know how old you are
the vote in congress had 29 Dems voted for it out of 50
besides
Saddam does the right thing from 1991 thru 2003
there is not war

The liberal will never understand the concept of root cause

funny, I dont know old you are either. But then again, I dont care too much anyway.

root cause? ha ha. take credit for the war you guys started. you can name dems all day that voted for it. You seem to think I am a democrat or something. But I do know who dragged this country in iraq. And I HAVE been against it from the beginning! and you know what that makes me? RIGHT!

Being a DAD, I always taught my kids to be honest and stop with the excuse making. The way you neo cons characterize the WAR YOU STARTED shows me a desperate group of people running away from something they started and blaming everyone else! excuses abound! Deflections! Unfortunately for you, I DO REMEMBER Bush staring America in the eye at his State of the Union Adress and LYING to me and the rest of America! OWN UP TO IT, MAN!

There was no "Root Cause". Saddam WAS NOT INVOLVED IN THE ATTACKS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001!!!

There noWeapons of Mass Destruction (W.M.D.). W.M.D. = LIE.

The were no mobile Biological or Chemical Labs. Biological and Chemical Labs = LIE.

There was no Nuclear Weapons Program. Nuclear Weapons Program = LIE.

There was no Attempt To Purchase "Yellow Cake Uranium" from Niger. Attempt To Purchase "Yellow Cake Uranium" = LIE.

The shrub promised Congress to return to the U.N. For Another Vote on Use of Force.
Promise to Congress = LIE.

The Illegal and Constitutional Invasion of Iraq had no Moral or Legal Standing.

The shrub stated before his election he wanted to Invade Iraq.

The shrub and dead-eye dick(less) both admitted to authorizing the use of Water Boarding, Water Boarding under International Law is Torture, and Torture Under International Law is a War Crime.

A war based on lies, half-truths, deception, and mis-direction cannot be considered a success.

U.S. Troops Maimed in Battle were warehouse in filthy, mold covered, rodent infested rooms, and charged for their meals.

Don't talk about success in Iraq.

Iraq should never have happened.

Thousands of U.S. Soldiers killed.

Hundreds of Thousands of Iraqi Men, Women and Children (Including all those "Un-Born" babies the RW rants about because they hate abortion. No "Right To Life" for un-born Iraqi babies).

The RW wanted the lies.

The RW needed the lies.

The RW still believes the lies.

what lies?
Current stockpile None; programme was infiltrated, abandoned, destroyed by Israel and Iran in 1989. Officially program ended in 1990.
yellow cake did exist and was found after the invasion
Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
no record of it prior to 3/2003

The TRUE story of the WMDs in Iraq will not be know for some time, but more and more information is coming out pointing that "something" was there...

Here is some of that information:

Iraqi "yellow cake" transferred:

USATODAY.com - U.S. transferred uranium from Iraq without U.N. authorization

Quote: "The nearly 2 tons of low-enriched uranium and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive items transferred from Iraq to the United States last month had been placed under seal by the International Atomic Energy Agency at the sprawling Tuwaitha nuclear complex, 12 miles south of Baghdad, the officials said."

...material that could have been used to make dirty bombs...well, if that is not materials for a form of WMDs then I do not know what is kids!...lol...!

Now that was in 2004, here is more today, in 2008:

AFP: Iraqi uranium transferred to Canada

...and

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080707/pl_afp/usiraqcanadauraniumnuclear_080707154601

Quote, July 7, 2008: "At Iraq's request, the US military this year transferred hundreds of metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Iraq to Canada in a secret, weeks-long operation, a Pentagon spokesman said Monday.

The 550 metric tons of uranium, which was sold to a Canadian company, was moved by truck convoy to Baghdad's "Green Zone," then flown by military aircraft to a third country where it was put on a ship for Canada, said Bryan Whitman, the spokesman.

The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."

Evidence of WMDs presence in Iraq. - a knol by Luis T. Puig

lets add this to the mix

Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.

"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee.

The Chemical Weapons Convention is an arms control agreement which outlaws the production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons. It was signed in 1993 and entered into force in 1997.

The munitions found contain sarin and mustard gases, Army Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. Sarin attacks the neurological system and is potentially lethal.

"Mustard is a blister agent (that) actually produces burning of any area (where) an individual may come in contact with the agent," he said. It also is potentially fatal if it gets into a person's lungs.

The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.

While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s.

This is true even considering any degradation of the chemical agents that may have occurred, Chu said. It's not known exactly how sarin breaks down, but no matter how degraded the agent is, it's still toxic.

"Regardless of (how much material in the weapon is actually chemical agent), any remaining agent is toxic," he said. "Anything above zero (percent agent) would prove to be toxic, and if you were exposed to it long enough, lethal."

Though about 500 chemical weapons - the exact number has not been released publicly - have been found, Maples said he doesn't believe Iraq is a "WMD-free zone."

"I do believe the former regime did a very poor job of accountability of munitions, and certainly did not document the destruction of munitions," he said. "The recovery program goes on, and I do not believe we have found all the weapons."

The Defense Intelligence Agency director said locating and disposing of chemical weapons in Iraq is one of the most important tasks servicemembers in the country perform.

Maples added searches are ongoing for chemical weapons beyond those being conducted solely for force protection.

There has been a call for a complete declassification of the National Ground Intelligence Center's report on WMD in Iraq. Maples said he believes the director of national intelligence is still considering this option, and has asked Maples to look into producing an unclassified paper addressing the subject matter in the center's report.

Much of the classified matter was slated for discussion in a closed forum after the open hearings this morning.

Biographies:
Lt. Gen. Michael D. Maples, USA

Related Sites:
Defense Intelligence Agency
National Ground Intelligence Center

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK is forging a mistruth, but he has failed at it here.

 

[Photonic]

JRK is forging a mistruth, but he has failed at it here.

Starting with the fact that Dirty Bombs aren't WMD's, and that Uranium has to be enriched to 90% to be weapons grade.

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK demonstrates that neoconservatism is a mental disease with international war crimes potential.

 

[kaz]

Since I am an isolationist all I know is we need to get out of the Middle East, Period.

And destroy what evidence of wrongdoing was done our friends, relatives, and loved ones in NYC on 9/11/2001, plus risk a reattack if we are perceived as weak? I hope you rethink your position, unless you are a conscientious objector and cannot.

I supported attacking al Qaeda and the Taliban because they attacked the US. However:

1) Building a nation in Afghanistan was just foolish and has us stuck there either to give up like other failures to do the same including the British (4 times) and Russians or stay there for decades.

2) Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on the US.

3) The Middle East isn't our problem and shouldn't be. If you walk through Harlem with cash sticking out of your pocket at night, you are going to be robbed. That doesn't excuse the robber and if caught they should be prosecuted. But isn't it more wise to not do that in the first place? I'm not saying this in the Democratic self serving way because terrorists are terrorists, but why do we have to make them all our enemy by being there in the first place?

 

[kaz]

our troops will be gone in 5 months

They will still be across the Middle East. I am saying we should not be there at all, not just in Iraq. And as you pointed out we won't even be "out" of Iraq.

they may leave 10,000
holding down gas? gas has little to do with Iraq and alot to do with refinaries being built in the same place where there refining oil at the same time
alot to do with the admin shutting down off shore drilling
allot to do with pipelines that need to be built, not being allowed to be built, wjich would open up millions of jobs extracting oil shale we are finding every where

How is the govt holding down gas prices?

We are in Iraq because they supported terrorism and were a threat to us. They were a threat because we are in the Middle East. We are in the Middle East to secure oil supplies. We are not in places like Africa or other similar spots in the world that don't have oil.

I am not saying this in a Democratic brain dead party way of opposing all energy plans and then screaming people can't afford it and oil companies are greedy when prices go up. I want to open Alaska and off shore and shale in the US, I want to build refineries in the US, I want to eliminate local blends and standardize formulas, I want to allow dramatic Nuclear Power expansion. And then I am willing to let prices rise as we can't meet energy needs to force changes in technology and behavior.

Think about what's happening now. By having the military secure oil sources, oil prices are artificially low. That means less is invested in technology for more efficient oil use and alternative energy because it has to compete with artificially low prices. However, we are paying for the oil through our taxes to fund the military excursions. However, since prices at the pump are artificially low people keep using more, which means we have to spend more in our other taxes to support more military. It's a losing proposition.

do your DD please before you vote again

You tell me to do my due diligence, but you need to do it my friend, and this post is an excellent place to start. Everything I told you here is logic and known facts, but if you want credentials then I spent a large portion of my career in GE Power in management at GE Energy and GE Nuclear Power.

 

[kaz]

JRK demonstrates that neoconservatism is a mental disease with international war crimes potential.

He's not advocating anything that Obama hasn't done. Are you saying Obama has a "mental disease with international war crimes potential" or is this yet another of your flagrant it's OK when the left does it standards?

 

[JRK]

JRK is forging a mistruth, but he has failed at it here.

Starting with the fact that Dirty Bombs aren't WMD's, and that Uranium has to be enriched to 90% to be weapons grade.

oh boy you guys have become desperate to say the least
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

Eactly what is it out of all of the items we have found sense invading is it that you people want?
dis agreeing with what this country decided to do in 2002 via the US congress is your right, mis representing the past is not

 

[Akimbot]

Ya OK, the US was so scared of Saddam's "yellow cake" that they had to invade and kill hundreds of thousands of iraqis who had no cake. Hmmm. Is this what passes for Yankee logic?

 

[JRK]

our troops will be gone in 5 months

They will still be across the Middle East. I am saying we should not be there at all, not just in Iraq. And as you pointed out we won't even be "out" of Iraq.

they may leave 10,000
holding down gas? gas has little to do with Iraq and alot to do with refinaries being built in the same place where there refining oil at the same time
alot to do with the admin shutting down off shore drilling
allot to do with pipelines that need to be built, not being allowed to be built, wjich would open up millions of jobs extracting oil shale we are finding every where

How is the govt holding down gas prices?

We are in Iraq because they supported terrorism and were a threat to us. They were a threat because we are in the Middle East. We are in the Middle East to secure oil supplies. We are not in places like Africa or other similar spots in the world that don't have oil.

I am not saying this in a Democratic brain dead party way of opposing all energy plans and then screaming people can't afford it and oil companies are greedy when prices go up. I want to open Alaska and off shore and shale in the US, I want to build refineries in the US, I want to eliminate local blends and standardize formulas, I want to allow dramatic Nuclear Power expansion. And then I am willing to let prices rise as we can't meet energy needs to force changes in technology and behavior.

Think about what's happening now. By having the military secure oil sources, oil prices are artificially low. That means less is invested in technology for more efficient oil use and alternative energy because it has to compete with artificially low prices. However, we are paying for the oil through our taxes to fund the military excursions. However, since prices at the pump are artificially low people keep using more, which means we have to spend more in our other taxes to support more military. It's a losing proposition.

do your DD please before you vote again

You tell me to do my due diligence, but you need to do it my friend, and this post is an excellent place to start. Everything I told you here is logic and known facts, but if you want credentials then I spent a large portion of my career in GE Power in management at GE Energy and GE Nuclear Power.

working for GE makes you what?
one thing I can tell you it has done to you, denial

artificially low? is that a joke?
gas was less than 2.00 at the end of GWB admin
are you stating that puddle we used from the reserves made a difference?

who said the war in Iraq was about oil for this country?
in 2009 Iraq was # 12 supplying 3% of the worlds oil
List of countries by oil production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

what facts that dispute
congress approves 2002
Blix states there are 6500 munitions missing, 1000s of gallons of anthrax and other stuff 2003 and that Iraq has not yet accepted there fate
8 weeks later we invade
500 munitions are found that meet the WMD classification, DOD presents proof to congress 2006
2008, the yellow cake that never exisited is sent to Canada

those are the facts
its that simple
and you and your GE job did what to dis-prove these facts how?
good place to start?
this is the end, its this simple

There is nothing more to this and as far the number 10,000 One that is a Engineer with GE should figure out Iraqw was the place sense there is well over 1000 threads on this matter here-in

one more thing
i am an engineer also