WI Teachers Union: Making You an Offer You Can't Refuse

[bodecea]

Boycotts are not illegal and in fact they are effective. I am totally anti public workers unions and I am also totally dumbfounded that the idiots who run Wisconsin hiring system agreed to the outrageous demands. There is nothing wrong with asking for more, I do it all the time I just don't have a bubble head on the other side of the table saying yes.

80% of the population is getting tired for paying wages and benefits that are out of line with society to the 18% or so who make up the unions. They are cooking their own goose, it is a slow cook but it will get done.

If that is the case, then this boycott with backfire and businesses will know it is in their best interest to blow off the unions.....doesn't sound like much of a threat then, does it?

 

[ClosedCaption]

What is it about Government Employees forcing people to say something against their will (i.e., in violation of their first amendment rights) that is okay with you?

But Government Employees didnt force anything...The unions are asking for their support by hanging it, they CAN turn them down. That is the opposite of force. Or else they wouldnt have asked, the unions would've just forced them.

Nothing is against anyones will here.

You really don't understand much about psychology or unions, do you?

Are you making a point? You keep asking me questions...What is your point?

 

[boedicca]

But Government Employees didnt force anything...The unions are asking for their support by hanging it, they CAN turn them down. That is the opposite of force. Or else they wouldnt have asked, the unions would've just forced them.

Nothing is against anyones will here.

You really don't understand much about psychology or unions, do you?

Are you making a point? You keep asking me questions...What is your point?

You never learned about the Socratic method in school?

 

[Uncensored2008]

If that is the case, then this boycott with backfire and businesses will know it is in their best interest to blow off the unions.....doesn't sound like much of a threat then, does it?

Damn, that was actually sensible.

Did you run out of crack or something?

 

[bodecea]

If that is the case, then this boycott with backfire and businesses will know it is in their best interest to blow off the unions.....doesn't sound like much of a threat then, does it?

Damn, that was actually sensible.

Did you run out of crack or something?

I bet your ...er...'integrity' made you post that.

Having seen what crack has done to some of my sailors while I was in the Navy, I'm getting some deja vu reading your posts. Just sayin' since you brought it up.

 

[jgarden]

The Declaration of Human Rights

..... Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Article 23.
*****************************************************************
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was signed by the US government and it is now the obligation of the federal government to intervene when states violate international
law.

Our conservative "friends" are quick to discount the validity of international agreements that the US has signed, but this is the very same group that uses upholding UN Sanctions as the justification for the Bush Administration's entry into Iraq.

Please, take a civics class.

This declaration is not binding law in the U.S.

For a nation that has long prided itself as being the champion of human rights throughout the world, why would a US government sign The Universal Declaration of Human Rights that it has no intention of keeping?

 

[jgarden]

The Declaration of Human Rights

..... Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Article 23.
*****************************************************************
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was signed by the US government and it is now the obligation of the federal government to intervene when states violate international
law.

Our conservative "friends" are quick to discount the validity of international agreements that the US has signed, but this is the very same group that uses upholding UN Sanctions as the justification for the Bush Administration's entry into Iraq.

Please, take a civics class.

This declaration is not binding law in the U.S.

Article 23(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests

For a nation founded on a union of states, the desre of US citizens to form/join trade unions in order to protect their self interests would seem to be a pretty basic right in 2011.

For a nation that has long prided itself as being the champion of human rights throughout the world, why would a US government sign "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights" and then undermine its international credibility by allowing individual states to violate them within its own borders?

 

[del]

Look at all the people on this thread literally afraid of teachers.

What next? Hide under your bed from butterflies? Bite your nails when an old lady in a wheelchair goes by?

No offense, but what a bunch of pantywastes.

are you this stupid in real life?

pantywaist

 

[boedicca]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was signed by the US government and it is now the obligation of the federal government to intervene when states violate international
law.

Our conservative "friends" are quick to discount the validity of international agreements that the US has signed, but this is the very same group that uses upholding UN Sanctions as the justification for the Bush Administration's entry into Iraq.

Please, take a civics class.

This declaration is not binding law in the U.S.

For a nation that has long prided itself as being the champion of human rights throughout the world, why would a US government sign The Universal Declaration of Human Rights that it has no intention of keeping?

Because the UN is a pointless and ineffectual political body that does a great deal of meaningless things for the neverending political quest to justify a reason to Get Money From Us.

If it were really serious about Human Rights, Libya NEVER would have been elected to the Human Rights Council.

 

[boedicca]

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was signed by the US government and it is now the obligation of the federal government to intervene when states violate international
law.

Our conservative "friends" are quick to discount the validity of international agreements that the US has signed, but this is the very same group that uses upholding UN Sanctions as the justification for the Bush Administration's entry into Iraq.

Please, take a civics class.

This declaration is not binding law in the U.S.

Article 23(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests

For a nation founded on a union of states, the desre of US citizens to form/join trade unions in order to protect their self interests would seem to be a pretty basic right in 2011.

For a nation that has long prided itself as being the champion of human rights throughout the world, why would a US government sign "The Universal Declaration of Human Rights" and then undermine its international credibility by allowing individual states to violate them within its own borders?

Joining A Union =/= having Collective Bargaining Rights.

There's a difference. Learn it.

 

[jgarden]

With all due respect, it was the UN Resolution concerning the presence of WMD that the Bush Administration used as its "trump card" to legally justify its invasion of Iraq.

It was also a UN Resolution that created the state of Israel so the US is not adverse to recognizing the legitimacy of the UN when it happens to suit her purpose.

As for removing those states, like Lybia, with bad human rights records, America is notorious for supporting dictatorships whose human rights records are somewhat less than "squeeky clean" and training their military how to conducting interrogations on their own citizens - using unsavory methods.

LIST OF DICTATORS SUPPORTED BY UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT SINCE 1945
Date of last update: 14 March 2011

Basis for inclusion: "Rulers who received aid (economic/military), training of military/intelligence/security forces, and/or political support from the US"

LATIN AMERICA
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ANASTASIO SOMOZA GARCIA
Dictator of Nicaragua 1937-1947, 1950-1956

ANASTASIO "TACHITO" SOMOZA DEBAYLE
Dictator of Nicaragua 1967-1972, 1974-1979

MANUEL ESTRADA CABRERA
Dictator of Guatemala 1898-1920

GEN. JORGE UBICO CASTANEDA
Dictator of Guatemala 1931-1944

COL. CARLOS ENRIQUE CASTILLO ARMAS
Dictator of Guatemala 1954-1957

GEN. JOSE MIGUEL YDIGORAS FUENTES
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1958-1963

COL. ENRIQUE PERALTA AZURDIA
Military Junta, Guatemala 1963-1966

COL. CARLOS ARANA OSORIO
Dictator of Guatemala 1970-1974

GEN. FERNANDO ROMEO LUCAS GARCIA
Dictator of Guatemala 1978-1982

GEN. JOSE EFRAIN RIOS MONTT
Dictator of Guatemala 1982-1983

MARCO VINICIO CEREZO ARÉVALO
President/Dictator of Guatemala 1986-1991

MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ
Dictator of El Salvador 1931-1944

COL. OSMIN AGUIRRE Y SALINAS
Dictator of El Salvador 1944-1945

CIVILIAN-MILITARY JUNTA, EL SALVADOR 1961-1962

COL. ARTURO ARMANDO MOLINA BARRAZA
Dictator of El Salvador 1972-1977

JUNTA, EL SALVADOR 1979-1982

ALFREDO FÉLIX CRISTIANI BUKARD
President/Dictator of El Salvador 1989-1994

TIBURCIO CARIAS ANDINO
Dictator of Honduras 1932-1948

COL. OSWALDO LOPEZ ARELLANO
Dictator of Honduras 1963-1975

ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA
President/Dictator of Honduras 1982-1986

GEN. OMAR HERRERA-TORRIJOS
Dictator of Panama 1969-1981

GEN. MANUEL ANTONIO MORENA NORIEGA
Dictator of Panama 1982-1989

AUGUSTO PINOCHET UGARTE
Dictator of Chile 1973-1990

GEN. JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA
Dictator of Argentina 1976-1981

COL. MARCOS PEREZ JIMENEZ
Dictator of Venezuela 1950-1958

GEN. ALFREDO STROESSNER
Dictator of Paraguay 1954-1989

ALBERTO FUJIMORI
Dictator of Peru 1990-2000

FRANCOIS "PAPA DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1957-1971

JEAN-CLAUDE "BABY DOC" DUVALIER
Dictator of Haiti 1971-1986

MILITARY JUNTA / LT. GEN. RAOUL CEDRAS, GEN. PHILIPPE BIAMBY and LT. COL. MICHEL-JOSEPH FRANCO
Haiti 1991-1994

GEN. RENE BARRIENTOS ORTUNO
President/Dictator of Bolivia 1964-1969

GEN. HUGO BANZER SUAREZ
Dictator of Bolivia 1971-1978

DR. GETULIO VARGAS
Dictator of Brazil 1930-1945, 1951-1954

GEN. HUMBERTO DE ALENCAR CASTELLO BRANCO
Dictator of Brazil 1964-1967

CARLOS PRIO SOCARRAS
Dictator of Cuba 1948-1952

FULGENCIO BATISTA
Dictator of Cuba 1933-44, 1952-1959

GERARDO MACHADO MORALES
Dictator of Cuba 1925-1933

RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO
Dictator of the Dominican Republic 1930-1961


ASIA
******************************
MOHAMED SUHARTO
Dictator of Indonesia 1966-1998

BAO DAI
Emperor of Vietnam 1926-1945, chief of state 1949-1955

NGO DINH DIEM
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1955-1963

GEN. NGUYEN KHANH
Dictator of South Vietnam 1964-1965

NGUYEN CAO KY
Dictator of South Vietnam 1965-1967

GEN. NGUYEN VAN THIEU
President/Dictator of South Vietnam 1967-1975

5TRAN THIEM KHIEM
Prime Minister of South Vietnam 1969-75

LEE KUAN YEW
Prime Minister/Dictator of Singapore 1959-1990; behind-the scenes ruler since then

EMOMALI RAHMONOV
President/Dictator of Tajikistan 1992-present

NURSULTAN NAZARBAYEV
President of Kazakhstan 1990-present

ISLAM A. KARIMOV
President/Dictator of Uzbekistan 1990-present

SAPARMURAD ATAYEVICH NIYAZOV
President/Dictator of Turkmenistan 1990-2006

MARSHAL LUANG PIBUL SONGGRAM
Dictator of Thailand 1948-1957

FIELD MARSHAL THANOM KITTIKACHORN
Prime Minister/Dictator of Thailand 1957-58, 1963-1973

CHIANG KAI-SHEK
President/Dictator (Nationalist) of China 1928-1949
President/Dictator of Taiwan 1949-1975

CHIANG CHING-KUO
President/Dicator of Taiwan 1978-1988; Prime Minister 1972-1978

FERDINAND MARCOS
President/Dictator of the Philippines 1965-1986

SYNGMAN RHEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1948-1960

GEN. PARK CHUNG HEE
President/Dictator of South Korea 1962-1979

GEN. CHUN DOO HWAN
President/Dictator of South Korea 1980-1988

SIR MUDA HASSANAL BOLKIAH
Sultan of Brunei 1967-present

GEN. LON NOL
Prime Minister/Dictator of Cambodia 1970-1975

POL POT
Dictator of Cambodia 1975-1979

MAJ. GEN. SITIVENI RABUKA
Dictator of Fiji 1987-1999

ASKAR AKAYEV
President of Kyrgyzstan 10/27/1990-2005


AFRICA
***************************
MOBUTU SESE SEKO
Dictator of Zaire 1965-1997

MOHAMMED SIAD BARRE
President/Dictator of Somalia 1969-1991

GEN. IBRAHIM BABANGIDA
Military Dictator/President of Nigeria 1985-1993

GEN. SANI ABACHA
Dictator of Nigeria 1993-1998

HASTINGS KAMUZU BANDA
Dictator of Malawi 1966-1994

LAURENT-DÉSIRÉ KABILA
President/Dictator of the Democratic Republic of the Congo 1997-2001

GNASSINGBE ETIENNE EYADEMA
Dictator of Togo 1967-2005

FELIX HOUPHOUET-BOIGNY
Dictator/President of the Ivory Coast 1960-1993

HASSAN II
King of Morocco 1961-1999

TEODORO OBIANG NGUEMA MBASOGO
President/Dictator of Equatorial Guinea 1979-present

ZINE EL ABIDINE BEN ALI
President-Prime Minister/Dictator of Tunisia 1987-2011

ANWAR EL-SADAT
President/Dictator of Egypt 1970-1981

HOSNI MUBARAK
President/Dictator of Egypt 1981-2011

IAN SMITH
Prime Minister of Rhodesia (white minority regime) 1965-1979

PIETER WILLEM BOTHA
Prime Minister of South Africa (white minority regime) 1978-1984, President 1984-1989

DANIEL ARAP MOI
President/Dictator of Kenya 1978-2002

HAILE SELASSIE (RAS TAFARI)
Emperor of Ethiopia 1928-1974

WILLIAM J. S. TUBMAN
resident/Dictator of Liberia 1944-1971

SAMUEL KANYON DOE
Dictator of Liberia 1980-1990

PAUL BIYA
Dictator of Cameroon, 1983-present


MIDDLE EAST
*******************************
MOHAMMED REZA PAHLAVI
Shah of Iran 1941-1979

SADDAM HUSSEIN
Dictator of Iraq 1979-2003
(US Gov support ceased in 2001 when Iraq invaded Kuwait)

GEN. MOHAMMED AYUB KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1958-1969

GEN. AGHA MUHAMMAD YAHYA KHAN
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1969-1971

GEN. MOHAMMAD ZIA UL-HAQ
President/Dictator of Pakistan 1977-1988

PERVEZ MUSHARRAF
Dictator of Pakistan 1999-2008

ABDUL IBN HUSSEIN I
King of Jordan 1952-1999

TURGUT ÖZAL
Prime Minister of Turkey 1983-1989, President 1989-1993

SHEIK JABIR AL-AHMAD AL SABAH
Prime Minister of Kuwait 1965-1977
Emir of Kuwait 1977-2006

QABOOS BIN SAID AL SAID
Sultan of Oman 1970-present

FAHD IBN ABDUL-AZIZ AL SAUD
King and Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia 1982-2005

ADBULLAH BIN ABDUL-AZIZ AL-SAUD
King of Saudi Arabia 2005-present

HAMAD BIN ISA AL KHALIFA
King of Bahrain 2002-present

ALI ABDULLAH SALEH
Dictator of Yemen 1978-present


EUROPE
***************************
FRANCISCO FRANCO
Dictator of Spain 1939-1975

ANTONIO SALAZAR DE OLIVEIRA
Dictator of Portugal 1928-1968

COL. GEORGIOS PAPADOPOULOS
Prime Minister/President/Dictator of Greece 1967-1973

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[del]

Oh for crying out loud! The teachers are exercising their right as private consumers, not acting in their professional capacity. Are folks really so dense they don't understand that private citizens can shop wherever the hell they want using whatever reasoning they want?

of course they can. they can also not so subtly threaten private citizens livelihoods if they won't overtly support the union by posting some bullshit mandated by the union in their window. what could be more american than that?

it's all good.

I guess showing up at the doors of business that clean the laundry of a business, or at the doors of patiens and workers who dare work or use a business and threaten them with the thought that they may be shot.

adjust your meds

 

[boedicca]

With all due respect, it was the UN Resolution concerning the presence of WMD that the Bush Administration used as its "trump card" to legally justify its invasion of Iraq. It was also a UN Resolution that created the state of Israel so the US is not adverse to upholding the UN when it suits her purpose.

Are you equating Public Employee Unions with SADDAM HUSSEIN?

Cuz that's probably an unintentionally apt comparison.

 

[del]

With all due respect, it was the UN Resolution concerning the presence of WMD that the Bush Administration used as its "trump card" to legally justify its invasion of Iraq. It was also a UN Resolution that created the state of Israel so the US is not adverse to upholding the UN when it suits her purpose.

thankee, cap'n.

 

[Oddball]

I really can't believe it...Really.

This tactic is so lowdown and slimy that I believed that just one of the Fabian/progressive corps could've seen it as beyond the pale.

Instead, I witnessed someone whom I kinda-sorta respected falling in line with the goon squad....Claiming this passive-aggressive compulsion as capitalistic, no less.

Fuck me...It's over....Might as well start stocking up on ammo and coin.

 

[boedicca]

Some of the Lefties are noticing the tendency. One of them calls it "Lockstep Liberalism".

Some people have asked why I’ve been writing about liberal bias so much lately. The short answer: self-defense. I’ve had the jarring experience of being attacked for what I consider honest intellectual curiosity.

My first taste of ‘lockstep liberalism’ came when I was kicked off DailyKos for saying it seemed to me that John Edwards might have had an affair. I didn’t act like it was the worst thing in the world or the height of immorality; I just thought it seemed suspicious when the National Enquirer reporters caught him at the Beverly Hilton. For the sin of discussing my suspicions. I was banned from DKos and I still am, after being viciously hammered for days. And when Edwards admitted to the affair – I was still banned. If you want more details on that story, it’s here from an L.A. Times article....

Why I’m Writing About Lockstep Liberalism


The moonbats here got it BAAAAaaaaddddddddd.

 

[thereisnospoon]

nice place you got here.

i'd hate to see anything happen to it.

Poor comparison. More like:

Nice place you got here.

I'd hate to see people decide not to shop here anymore because you don't support them.


I know...doesn't quite have the threat factor.

How do you account for those who stand their ground who will not wilt to threats?
In order for a boycott to work, the majority of people in a given market would have to be on the side of those issuing the boycott.
Boycotts rarely work and in many cases bring about backlash against the ones organizing said boycott.
Unions are weak and getting weaker. They can bluster all they wish. Their threats are mere mosquito bites.
If a union thug walked into my place and told me "I'd hate to see people decide not to shop here anymore because you don't support them."....My response would be, "go fuck yourself. I know all the people you know. And they like me far more than they like you."

 

[Article 15]

This thread is hilarious.

Some of you guys are ginormous pussies.

 

[jgarden]

With all due respect, it was the UN Resolution concerning the presence of WMD that the Bush Administration used as its "trump card" to legally justify its invasion of Iraq. It was also a UN Resolution that created the state of Israel so the US is not adverse to upholding the UN when it suits her purpose.

Are you equating Public Employee Unions with SADDAM HUSSEIN?

Cuz that's probably an unintentionally apt comparison.

 

[Dr.Drock]

This thread is hilarious.

Some of you guys are ginormous pussies.

I could kind of understand their fear of anyone with medium brown skin after 9/11, but being scared to death of teachers?

I hope that the posters on this thread don't have their posts read by a woman they're courting.