World-wide March against Monsanto tomorow

[martybegan]

I'll put this in the Monsanto thread but serving here as a current story/epilogue:

Pesticides Make a Comeback
Many Corn Farmers Go Back to Using Chemicals as Mother Nature Outwits Genetically Modified Seeds

>> Syngenta, one of the world’s largest pesticide makers, reported that sales of its major soil insecticide for corn, which is applied at planting time, more than doubled in 2012. Chief Financial Officer John Ramsay attributed the growth to “increased grower awareness” of rootworm resistance in the U.S. Insecticide sales in the first quarter climbed 5% to $480 million.

The frustrating part is that rootworms’ resistance to the Bt corn gene was entirely predictable — so predictable that some companies seized it as a financial opportunity:

American Vanguard bought a series of insecticide companies and technologies during the past decade, betting that insecticide demand would return as Bt corn started losing its effectiveness. In the past couple of years, that wager has paid off. <<

Duh.

You know the bugs can develop resistance to some of the pesticides as well, right?

Resistance is a common problem for any pest control method, which is why the researchers have to come up with new methods to fight off teh bugs.

 

[zeke]

A chemical company controlling our food seed. That idea alone should scare us to death.

But hey, when the world runs out of phosphates, maybe Monsanto will have developed edible plastic.

 

[Pogo]

I'll put this in the Monsanto thread but serving here as a current story/epilogue:

Pesticides Make a Comeback
Many Corn Farmers Go Back to Using Chemicals as Mother Nature Outwits Genetically Modified Seeds

>> Syngenta, one of the world’s largest pesticide makers, reported that sales of its major soil insecticide for corn, which is applied at planting time, more than doubled in 2012. Chief Financial Officer John Ramsay attributed the growth to “increased grower awareness” of rootworm resistance in the U.S. Insecticide sales in the first quarter climbed 5% to $480 million.

The frustrating part is that rootworms’ resistance to the Bt corn gene was entirely predictable — so predictable that some companies seized it as a financial opportunity:

American Vanguard bought a series of insecticide companies and technologies during the past decade, betting that insecticide demand would return as Bt corn started losing its effectiveness. In the past couple of years, that wager has paid off. <<

Duh.

You know the bugs can develop resistance to some of the pesticides as well, right?

Resistance is a common problem for any pest control method, which is why the researchers have to come up with new methods to fight off teh bugs.

You bet. That's been happening as long as anyone's developed pesticides. Ultimately we end up with food that's been poisoned to the point where the bugs have adapted through enough generations to overcome it, while we have not, and we go ahead and ingest the poison.

What a great approach that's been.

 

[martybegan]

I'll put this in the Monsanto thread but serving here as a current story/epilogue:

Pesticides Make a Comeback
Many Corn Farmers Go Back to Using Chemicals as Mother Nature Outwits Genetically Modified Seeds

>> Syngenta, one of the world’s largest pesticide makers, reported that sales of its major soil insecticide for corn, which is applied at planting time, more than doubled in 2012. Chief Financial Officer John Ramsay attributed the growth to “increased grower awareness” of rootworm resistance in the U.S. Insecticide sales in the first quarter climbed 5% to $480 million.

The frustrating part is that rootworms’ resistance to the Bt corn gene was entirely predictable — so predictable that some companies seized it as a financial opportunity:

American Vanguard bought a series of insecticide companies and technologies during the past decade, betting that insecticide demand would return as Bt corn started losing its effectiveness. In the past couple of years, that wager has paid off. <<

Duh.

You know the bugs can develop resistance to some of the pesticides as well, right?

Resistance is a common problem for any pest control method, which is why the researchers have to come up with new methods to fight off teh bugs.

You bet. That's been happening as long as anyone's developed pesticides. Ultimately we end up with food that's been poisoned to the point where the bugs have adapted through enough generations to overcome it, while we have not, and we go ahead and ingest the poison.

What a great approach that's been.

Of course the alternative is much smaller crop yields, the occasional blight/famine caused by a bug swarm, and an overall loweing of our quality of life.

A question: if we are being "poisoned" as you claim, how are life expectancies going up and up?

 

[Pogo]

You know the bugs can develop resistance to some of the pesticides as well, right?

Resistance is a common problem for any pest control method, which is why the researchers have to come up with new methods to fight off teh bugs.

You bet. That's been happening as long as anyone's developed pesticides. Ultimately we end up with food that's been poisoned to the point where the bugs have adapted through enough generations to overcome it, while we have not, and we go ahead and ingest the poison.

What a great approach that's been.

Of course the alternative is much smaller crop yields, the occasional blight/famine caused by a bug swarm, and an overall loweing of our quality of life.

A question: if we are being "poisoned" as you claim, how are life expectancies going up and up?

Uhh... "poisoned" does not necessarily mean "killed". And chemicals in food are not the only factor in life expectancies. Surely you don't mean to say that?

And no, the alternative is natural deterrents to those factors that attack our crops, whether insect or parasite or fungus. There's a chasm of collected wisdom in these methods, but no, we take the clobber-it-over-the-head mentality throwing a chemistry set at a given insect ... as if that insect exists in a vacuum and killing it affects nothing else. A simplistic mentality incapable of seeing wholistically.

This just came over the wire today:
Unapproved genetically modified wheat from Monsanto found

>> Japan, the largest market for U.S. wheat exports, suspended imports from the United States and canceled a major purchase of white wheat on Thursday after the recent discovery of unapproved genetically modified wheat in an 80-acre field in Oregon.

How the altered crop made its way to the Oregon field remains a mystery. The strain was developed by Monsanto to make wheat resistant to the company’s own industry-leading weed killer. Monsanto tested the type of altered seed in more than a dozen states, including Oregon, between 1994 and 2005, but it was never approved for commercial use.

.... “This was not from a recent trial, which means it’s been sitting there in the environment,” said Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety, a nonprofit group. “It’s highly doubtful that it’s just on one farm. If it’s out there, it’s out there.” The center’s science policy analyst, Bill Freese, added, “It’s been 12 years since this wheat was grown officially in Oregon. It doesn’t just disappear and magically appear 12 years later.”

Freese added that Monsanto has 15 new permits, issued in 2011, to test herbicide-resistant wheat in Hawaii and North Dakota, including an unusually large 300-acre field in North Dakota. Freese said the size of that field would make it difficult to prevent accidental spread. <<

This is exactly what I was telling shiny-shoe-boy a while back; a polluted gene pool. No doubt Monsanto is even now working on plans to sue Wonder Bread when it shows up there for patent infringement.

I'm taking this over to the Monsanto (DNA Protection Act) thread. The present thread should be abandoned; it's about an event which has passed.

 

[whitehall]

Monsanto manufactures and distributes products according to federal guidelines. Years ago they blamed the administration for everything and now they blame the private sector. The difference is that Barry Hussein is a hero and the radical left desperately needs an issue to deflect attention to the scandals.

 

[Pogo]

Monsanto manufactures and distributes products according to federal guidelines. Years ago they blamed the administration for everything and now they blame the private sector. The difference is that Barry Hussein is a hero and the radical left desperately needs an issue to deflect attention to the scandals.

Nobody cares about your Fake News comic book scandals -- this is a real scandal, that's been going on for fifteen years. I'm guessing you didn't major in reading comprehension.

 

[whitehall]

Monsanto manufactures and distributes products according to federal guidelines. Years ago they blamed the administration for everything and now they blame the private sector. The difference is that Barry Hussein is a hero and the radical left desperately needs an issue to deflect attention to the scandals.

Nobody cares about your Fake News comic book scandals -- this is a real scandal, that's been going on for fifteen years. I'm guessing you didn't major in reading comprehension.

Monsanto ain't your enemy. If you have a problem with the corporation's product and distribution ....duh...Look at the people who are in charge of it. Don't want to target Hussein? Go and shoot dope and rape girls and disrupt commerce and have a nice camping experience. That should do it.

 

[Pogo]

Monsanto manufactures and distributes products according to federal guidelines. Years ago they blamed the administration for everything and now they blame the private sector. The difference is that Barry Hussein is a hero and the radical left desperately needs an issue to deflect attention to the scandals.

Nobody cares about your Fake News comic book scandals -- this is a real scandal, that's been going on for fifteen years. I'm guessing you didn't major in reading comprehension.

Monsanto ain't your enemy. If you have a problem with the corporation's product and distribution ....duh...Look at the people who are in charge of it. Don't want to target Hussein? Go and shoot dope and rape girls and disrupt commerce and have a nice camping experience. That should do it.

Uh... yyyyyeah sure. That made sense on some planet.

You are truly deranged.

 

[Borillar]

Liberal food bans are more controlling of the food supply than Monsanto.

Plus, while Monsanto sells it's products to VOLUNTARY buyers, liberal food bans are anything but.

No mention of the INVOLUNTARY buyers who get their field pollinated by a neighbor's GM crop, and then get the pants sued off them by Monsanto...

Statism - Ideas so good they have to be mandatory...

Genetic pollution: ideas so bad they have to be inevitable.

It's what happens when we're arrogant enough to fuck with Mother Nature.

These affected farmers should countersue Monsanto for polluting their crops. Maybe those fuckers would quit playing god with our food supply then.

 

[Polk]

Why would you march against a Company that only wants to feed the world?

Don't you mean control the worlds food supply ?

One doesnt have to use Monsanto seeds. I havent seen the law yet that says otherwise.

Not using Monsanto seeds don't protect you. If your neighbor is using Monsanto seeds and some blow in to your field, you can be held liable for unauthorized use.

 

[martybegan]

Don't you mean control the worlds food supply ?

One doesnt have to use Monsanto seeds. I havent seen the law yet that says otherwise.

Not using Monsanto seeds don't protect you. If your neighbor is using Monsanto seeds and some blow in to your field, you can be held liable for unauthorized use.

Wrong. The lawsuit that happened was when the farmer tried to replant with the monstanto seeds, saying that since they were on his property, they were his to replant.


He lost that suit. Next he sued Monsanto for $660 dollars in small claims court when the pollen again ended up in his fields (cleanup costs) and won.

 

[dilloduck]

Monsanto claims they are entitled to all profits made from their products yet won't take responsibility for them if they wind up on someone else's property.

 

[martybegan]

Monsanto claims they are entitled to all profits made from their products yet won't take responsibility for them if they wind up on someone else's property.

Really? So someone buying Monsanto seeds has to send ALL of thier profit to Monsanto?

Again, the people getting sued are the ones replanting the seed after they know its Monsanto seed.

And one guy won money to remove a monstanto pollinated crop from his land.

 

[Polk]

One doesnt have to use Monsanto seeds. I havent seen the law yet that says otherwise.

Not using Monsanto seeds don't protect you. If your neighbor is using Monsanto seeds and some blow in to your field, you can be held liable for unauthorized use.

Wrong. The lawsuit that happened was when the farmer tried to replant with the monstanto seeds, saying that since they were on his property, they were his to replant.


He lost that suit. Next he sued Monsanto for $660 dollars in small claims court when the pollen again ended up in his fields (cleanup costs) and won.

"The" lawsuit. As if there has only been one.

 

[martybegan]

Not using Monsanto seeds don't protect you. If your neighbor is using Monsanto seeds and some blow in to your field, you can be held liable for unauthorized use.

Wrong. The lawsuit that happened was when the farmer tried to replant with the monstanto seeds, saying that since they were on his property, they were his to replant.


He lost that suit. Next he sued Monsanto for $660 dollars in small claims court when the pollen again ended up in his fields (cleanup costs) and won.

"The" lawsuit. As if there has only been one.

Fine, but in the other lawsuits has anyone been sued due to harvesting and selling a crop that was due to cross pollination? Or does monsanto only sue when someone tries to replant said crop?

That is the main question. People try to make it sound like Monsanto sues the second some of its pollen gets into your field.

 

[Polk]

Wrong. The lawsuit that happened was when the farmer tried to replant with the monstanto seeds, saying that since they were on his property, they were his to replant.


He lost that suit. Next he sued Monsanto for $660 dollars in small claims court when the pollen again ended up in his fields (cleanup costs) and won.

"The" lawsuit. As if there has only been one.

Fine, but in the other lawsuits has anyone been sued due to harvesting and selling a crop that was due to cross pollination? Or does monsanto only sue when someone tries to replant said crop?

That is the main question. People try to make it sound like Monsanto sues the second some of its pollen gets into your field.

I'd have to find the citations. but there are definitely cases of people being sued for harvesting/selling crops that were due to cross pollination. Replanting the crop in violation of the contract is definitely something that isn't permissible (even though I know a lot of the anti-Monsanto crowd think it should be). The most recent case didn't really deal with that though. It was about a farmer who purchased seed from a grain elevator, IIRC.

 

[martybegan]

"The" lawsuit. As if there has only been one.

Fine, but in the other lawsuits has anyone been sued due to harvesting and selling a crop that was due to cross pollination? Or does monsanto only sue when someone tries to replant said crop?

That is the main question. People try to make it sound like Monsanto sues the second some of its pollen gets into your field.

I'd have to find the citations. but there are definitely cases of people being sued for harvesting/selling crops that were due to cross pollination. Replanting the crop in violation of the contract is definitely something that isn't permissible (even though I know a lot of the anti-Monsanto crowd think it should be). The most recent case didn't really deal with that though. It was about a farmer who purchased seed from a grain elevator, IIRC.

There has to be intent for Monsanto to sue. Cross pollination and susequent growth of its product would not result in a sucessful lawsuit.

 

[Pogo]

Fine, but in the other lawsuits has anyone been sued due to harvesting and selling a crop that was due to cross pollination? Or does monsanto only sue when someone tries to replant said crop?

That is the main question. People try to make it sound like Monsanto sues the second some of its pollen gets into your field.

I'd have to find the citations. but there are definitely cases of people being sued for harvesting/selling crops that were due to cross pollination. Replanting the crop in violation of the contract is definitely something that isn't permissible (even though I know a lot of the anti-Monsanto crowd think it should be). The most recent case didn't really deal with that though. It was about a farmer who purchased seed from a grain elevator, IIRC.

There has to be intent for Monsanto to sue. Cross pollination and susequent growth of its product would not result in a sucessful lawsuit.

My thunder, what naïveté....
Monsanto is an enormous multinational corporation with its own team of lawyers dedicated to this, Sparky. They don't need "successful lawsuits" or meritorious claims; all they need to do is outlast you with litigious harassment. And with their deep pockets against you the farmer, they do just that.

Surely you understand how the legal system is commonly gamed? Because if you don't, you'll never join the Monsanto lawyer team....

 

[martybegan]

I'd have to find the citations. but there are definitely cases of people being sued for harvesting/selling crops that were due to cross pollination. Replanting the crop in violation of the contract is definitely something that isn't permissible (even though I know a lot of the anti-Monsanto crowd think it should be). The most recent case didn't really deal with that though. It was about a farmer who purchased seed from a grain elevator, IIRC.

There has to be intent for Monsanto to sue. Cross pollination and susequent growth of its product would not result in a sucessful lawsuit.

My thunder, what naïveté....
Monsanto is an enormous multinational corporation with its own team of lawyers dedicated to this, Sparky. They don't need "successful lawsuits" or meritorious claims; all they need to do is outlast you with litigious harassment. And with their deep pockets against you the farmer, they do just that.

Surely you understand how the legal system is commonly gamed? Because if you don't, you'll never join the Monsanto lawyer team....

Im still waiting for proof monsanto sued just for natural cross pollination, and not for reuse of thier seed.

And in the canada case, the guy actually won for removal fees, after he sued them the right way.