Worshipping The Evil Rich

[Lonestar_logic]

"We" did? Who is "we"?? "We" in your camp has it all backward.

We as in the majority of fair-minded conservatives that frequent this forum. That's leaves you out.

Made my day...thanks Lonestar

"May the Schwartz be with you"

Don't flatter yourself.

 

[Annie]

This is what becomes of a man who steals and destroys with a suit on......

Ex-Countrywide CEO Settles With SEC For $67.5M : NPR

This is what becomes of a man who steals and destroys wearing blue jeans....

Death To Gang Members: The Feds' New Tactic : NPR

We have a class war going on in this country. Wake The Fuck Up, people. The rich are NOT your friends.

I'm getting the definite feeling that Madeline and Revere are inverse twins. Maddy takes a few examples and generalizes onto the rich.

Revere has a tendency towards 'no regulations' on business.

Are either of them right?

 

[MaggieMae]

Please give us references to what your talking about, leftwinger.
You do realize that more people are NOT in a union, right?

Lower pay plus fewer benefits= lower standard of living

Unions blew the bell curve on pay vs value.
Look, this nonsense of "lower pay fewer benefits" is the old pro-labor mantra. There isn't a single union boss who looked at a firm's balance sheet to see what percentage of their gross revenue could or better, should be spent on labor. All the union people cared about is how much they got paid and creating work rules to preserve employment for their members.
The bottom line is this. In business, an employees value to the company is proportional to the ability of that employee to help the business turn a profit.
Businesses DO NOT operate to hire employees. The first priority of a business is to create a positive return on investment for the owners and the investors. Period.
Over the years, buisnesses came to the realization that they no longer had to bend over and grab their ankles every time the union contract came up for negotiation.
In the last 50 years, union membership in the private sector has decreased from over 30% to the present 7%. Gee, I wonder why.

So why is our economy in the toilet? Was the private sector so strapped for capital that it couldn't manage to keep their heads above water? And puleeze don't start yammering about all the regulations and taxes. With the exception of the brand new finance reform measure, those regulations and taxes have been the same for a decade. AND most of the same companies enjoyed booming success in the 90's when they paid MORE in taxes. Go figure.

 

[MaggieMae]

Work in a town that exists thanks to their yacht factory.

See how much you care then.

Somehow I doubt there are as many people affected as, say, the textile industry. Nice try, though.

And what do you think rich people do with their money? Let it sit in municipal bonds? No they reinvest it. They put money into textile firms or yacht manufacturers or paper mills, or hedge funds which invest in all those things too.

Their money never stops working and afford you the ability to have a job.

Thank you for proving you haven't a clue how an economy works.

And thanks for providing the textile mill example. Why do you think they left the US? They were being hampered on the ablility to find a good return on investment. Profits go down, investors won't sink their money in, and the firm gets shaky. So they move to where business CAN yield a good profit, and investors come back with more money.

Your problem isn't with rich people, it's with their ability to be mobile with their capital and being underbid by other nations. It is up to you to make yourself a good investment, and right now, libs have no interest in doing this. They seem to think that if they think good enough thoughts and are kind and sensitive people will give the the life they want for nothing more.

Fanta-fucking-sy.

You're missing the big picture entirely. The creeping NON-investment in America has resulted in tangible class warfare. It has little to do with "envy" and everything to do with "opportunity," which the middle- and lower-classes can see slipping away from them at a faster clip than ever.

Do the Rich Need the Rest of America? - The Wealth Report - WSJ

If the American rich increasingly do not depend for their wealth on American workers and American consumers or for their safety on American soldiers or police officers, then it is hardly surprising that so many of them should be so hostile to paying taxes to support the infrastructure and the social programs that help the majority of the American people. The rich don't need the rest anymore.

Click on the full article this was based on, which is further explanation.

 

[MaggieMae]

Code words? I asked two simple questions. There are NO code words. Perhaps your tinfoil hat is on too tight.

"Why do you hate rich people?"
"Why do you envy the rich?"

From the book "Brave New World," are found the words [paraphrased] "Say something subliminally 30,000 times and it becomes truth." In Huxley's "Utopia," hypnopaedia was designed as a method of mass indoctrination including playing a tape to a group over and over, instead of individualized learning. Utopia’s children are only taught the quantity and quality of information needed to fulfill their designated role in their society.

Nice dodge, now try answering the questions.

I already have, many times over. I have friends in high places, many of whom could buy and sell my home a gazillion times over. I'm hardly "jealous" of them because I love my home and have no desire for a starter castle. I'm sure there ARE people who "hate the rich" or "envy" them, but I think most would simply be happy with a more level playing field in order to make it on their own. Your repetitive mantras are stupid.

 

[MaggieMae]

No need to keep displaying your utter stupidity. We figured your dumbass out a long time ago.

"We" did? Who is "we"?? "We" in your camp has it all backward.

We as in the majority of fair-minded conservatives that frequent this forum. That's leaves you out.

I was once a Republican, but by your "conservative" standards today I would be considered one of those evil rinos.

 

[MaggieMae]

How many jobs have you gotten from a poor man?


And why do you hate rich people?

I don't hate anyone. I am astounded as I watch the mega-rich buying our electoral process and bumfuddled at my fellow Americans who cannot sell their vote fast enough.

I know what motivates Karl Rove. WTF motivates you to cooperate with him in your own demise escapes me, Lonestar.

And to answer your question: I was a lawyer, and many in my profession live well off what they earn by representing the poor. But I was not one; the work I have done for people who could not afford me, I did for free.

Mega-rich? You mean folks like George Soros?

Tell us, what motivates Karl Rove?

And what makes you think I cooperate with him?

You working for free is supposed to answer my questions? Well then the answer to "how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man" is none. But it doesn't address the second question as to why you hate us rich folk.

"The US Economic Census indicates that attorneys median income is $165,000 a year it also indicates that the revenue per employee in law offices is $288,000."

"A legal aid attorney may make as little as $26,000-$40,000 in a small town. A senior partner in white collar crime defense at a large firm in New York can earn in excess of $1 million per year."

You lawyers are really living paycheck to paycheck huh? Poor thang!

I don't see George Soros on this list. Hmmm...

The World's Billionaires 2009 - Forbes.com

What motivates Karl Rove? His campaign to reelect George W. Bush was called "Republicans Forever." (His words.) To that end, in the 2004 race, Rove went after the Christian Evangelicals, making sure the propaganda was directed against those "decadent" liberals. And they were gullible enough to believe him.

 

[MaggieMae]

This is what becomes of a man who steals and destroys with a suit on......

Ex-Countrywide CEO Settles With SEC For $67.5M : NPR

This is what becomes of a man who steals and destroys wearing blue jeans....

Death To Gang Members: The Feds' New Tactic : NPR

We have a class war going on in this country. Wake The Fuck Up, people. The rich are NOT your friends.

I'm getting the definite feeling that Madeline and Revere are inverse twins. Maddy takes a few examples and generalizes onto the rich.

Revere has a tendency towards 'no regulations' on business.

Are either of them right?

Not entirely. Moderation is the key to anything--from the amount of food/alcohol/drugs/other poison you put in your body, to governing our society. Unfortunatey, we are now living in an Us versus Them society where there is no compromise, period.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Lower pay plus fewer benefits= lower standard of living

Unions blew the bell curve on pay vs value.
Look, this nonsense of "lower pay fewer benefits" is the old pro-labor mantra. There isn't a single union boss who looked at a firm's balance sheet to see what percentage of their gross revenue could or better, should be spent on labor. All the union people cared about is how much they got paid and creating work rules to preserve employment for their members.
The bottom line is this. In business, an employees value to the company is proportional to the ability of that employee to help the business turn a profit.
Businesses DO NOT operate to hire employees. The first priority of a business is to create a positive return on investment for the owners and the investors. Period.
Over the years, buisnesses came to the realization that they no longer had to bend over and grab their ankles every time the union contract came up for negotiation.
In the last 50 years, union membership in the private sector has decreased from over 30% to the present 7%. Gee, I wonder why.

So why is our economy in the toilet? Was the private sector so strapped for capital that it couldn't manage to keep their heads above water? And puleeze don't start yammering about all the regulations and taxes. With the exception of the brand new finance reform measure, those regulations and taxes have been the same for a decade. AND most of the same companies enjoyed booming success in the 90's when they paid MORE in taxes. Go figure.

What does this have to do with unions?
Stay on point.
Umm wake up maggie mae....
The US has been losing mfg to foreign countries for over 30 years.
Steel, textiles, furniture. You name it. So what is the purpose of your insipid rant?
Protectionist legislation combined with combative tariffs?
Yes, one who supports the notion of multiculturalism( All libs are multiculturalists) ......Until the other cultures become successful and recruit business from the US...
Oh and to answer you question there, cupcake The economy sucks because the federal government got involved and interfered with the marketplace. It interfered in the housing market in particular.
The feds, told the banks they had to lend unqualified borrowers the money to buy homes. These people singed up to pay for loans they could not afford.
but Ah HA!! The government invented fannie and freddie, told the banks that their money was in good hands. The government's.
The borrowers begasn to default. First nothing out of the norm. Then as news spread of banks having trouble staying afloat surfaced the defaults spread like wildfire. Peopl were walking asway form himes, the economy tanked and here we are. All because certain do-gooders working for the federal governemnt decided to screw with the marketplace.
Every time. Every single time the fovernment sticks it's nose in the business of business bad things happen.

 

[MaggieMae]

Unions blew the bell curve on pay vs value.
Look, this nonsense of "lower pay fewer benefits" is the old pro-labor mantra. There isn't a single union boss who looked at a firm's balance sheet to see what percentage of their gross revenue could or better, should be spent on labor. All the union people cared about is how much they got paid and creating work rules to preserve employment for their members.
The bottom line is this. In business, an employees value to the company is proportional to the ability of that employee to help the business turn a profit.
Businesses DO NOT operate to hire employees. The first priority of a business is to create a positive return on investment for the owners and the investors. Period.
Over the years, buisnesses came to the realization that they no longer had to bend over and grab their ankles every time the union contract came up for negotiation.
In the last 50 years, union membership in the private sector has decreased from over 30% to the present 7%. Gee, I wonder why.

So why is our economy in the toilet? Was the private sector so strapped for capital that it couldn't manage to keep their heads above water? And puleeze don't start yammering about all the regulations and taxes. With the exception of the brand new finance reform measure, those regulations and taxes have been the same for a decade. AND most of the same companies enjoyed booming success in the 90's when they paid MORE in taxes. Go figure.

What does this have to do with unions?
Stay on point.
Umm wake up maggie mae....
The US has been losing mfg to foreign countries for over 30 years.
Steel, textiles, furniture. You name it. So what is the purpose of your insipid rant?
Protectionist legislation combined with combative tariffs?
Yes, one who supports the notion of multiculturalism( All libs are multiculturalists) ......Until the other cultures become successful and recruit business from the US...
Oh and to answer you question there, cupcake The economy sucks because the federal government got involved and interfered with the marketplace. It interfered in the housing market in particular.
The feds, told the banks they had to lend unqualified borrowers the money to buy homes. These people singed up to pay for loans they could not afford.
but Ah HA!! The government invented fannie and freddie, told the banks that their money was in good hands. The government's.
The borrowers begasn to default. First nothing out of the norm. Then as news spread of banks having trouble staying afloat surfaced the defaults spread like wildfire. Peopl were walking asway form himes, the economy tanked and here we are. All because certain do-gooders working for the federal governemnt decided to screw with the marketplace.
Every time. Every single time the fovernment sticks it's nose in the business of business bad things happen.

Another cheerleader for those wonderful "free marketeers" who played with people's real property like they were playing Monoply.

 

[Big Fitz]

How many of the top 2% actually wind up PAYING the top rate?

Rush clarified this issue rather well. When you are rich and have the ability to keep money from the government on principle because you KNOW how badly you're being fucked over to support lazy ingrates, you do it when you can. You hire that accounting firm to keep your cash safe from assholes who have no idea what it is to do a real job, meet a payroll, mind investments, or even how to stay in a budget.

A 50k investment to save millions is always money well spent. And you know what? They deserve to protect what the thieves in government are trying to steal for 'the sake of the children'. Yeah well, maybe if they'd stop condescending to minorities and thinking they can't make it 'without them' and get real jobs themselves, their lot in life would improve. You know who's really evil here? Bureaucrats and do-gooders who think they have the right and responsibility to steal from others to accomplish goals they feel need to be accomplished. Put your own damn money in if you feel drawn to help the poor. Quit shoving the government's gun in the face of others do do what they don't want.

That is evil, and so are those who think that way.

No, it is not evil. Nobody has a patriotic duty to pay a dollar more in tax than he owes. However, it could be considered evil to pay lobbysists and fund campaigns so that a new tax loophole is created to shelter ever-more of your income. It could be considered evil to hire public relations experts to help convince those you steal from that giving you even more money is the right thing to do.

Obama: GOP favors tax loopholes that send jobs overseas - TheHill.com

Comments on: Obama: End Tax Breaks That Send Jobs Overseas - CBS News

Meh, I am not interested in the souls of the mega-rich; I am interested in trying to reach my fellow Americans with a message that we have been and are being sold a bill of goods. Common sense should tell you, your self-interest does not lie with the Rupert Murdochs and Karl Roves -- it lies with your fellow working man.

If Obama is helping the evil rich, maybe you need to reconsider your support for him and his party?

Joe Biden said paying taxes is an patriotic act.

The DNC is trying to prevent companies from leaving the US to let them wither and rot in the US under union oppression rather than let them make money so they can provide jobs.

The tax code, which is about to be amended to make our tax on foreign profits even MORE odious by removing the protection that prevents the tax as long as hey do not bring the profits back to the US.

Evil to hire lobbyists. Do you know how they came about? They were advocates for farmers and businesses so far removed that to petition government was so difficult they had to hire someone specifically to go be their advocate. That is how the practice came about.

To say that today it's evil is to say petitioning the government for your rights and needs and protection is evil. That's pretty skewed IMHO.There is nothing evil with lobbying, only in some of their tactics, and how incestuous the game has become. That is what needs to be fixed. Serious penalties for those who corrupt the system. Corruption is the issue. Entitlement to what is not yours is the issue. Not money.

Public relation firms to steal... You mean like ACORN who uses political pressure to try and steal billions from TARP to fund their voter fraud drives? You mean like teachers unions who collect more money 'for the children' only to have it line administrators pockets while letting the schools turn into nothing more than mini penitentiaries with little learning done and preventing homeschooling or real education form to protect their government sanctioned monopoly? How about the whiny rich who hide behind an anti-trust exemption for organized sports then blackmail the taxpayers when they want a new facility costing a billion dollar or they will move?

The government is the one constant in these scenarios. We have voted people into power who WILL steal for these people. Not defend us from Armani wearing pick pockets. The hide behind children and poor people while continuing to do evil in our sight, yet we vote them back time and time again. Once the populace figured out they could vote themselves goodies out of the public coffers, our republic began dying in earnest.

What is the purpose of government? To rob the innocent and steal our rights they are sworn to protect in the name of 'goodness' and 'charity'? Or are they to stand up to well dressed crooks and say 'no' and not try to justify theft or make it morally palatable to those who have been robbed, trying to elicit a thank you as they are made poorer.

You can't have it both ways for the sake of politics. Both sides need their throat slit because they're both in on the game, just for different clubs.

Come on Madeline, I know you're better than this. I can't believe you really think that Karl Rove and Rupert Murdock define evil rich while there are so many other examples which are far more clear. You need to see beyond the short term of what's going on. The long game of collectivism ends in a coffin for everyone who doesn't agree and slavery for the rest. The long game of captalism is a land full of achievers who come together at times, but live their lives as they see best while respecting the rights of their neighbors to do the same.

 

[Big Fitz]

The creeping NON-investment in America has resulted in tangible class warfare.

Class warfare... the only ones that care about class warfare are those trying to foment one that doesn't exist.

But, thank you for pointing out something you are ignoring. Who is causing the non-investment in America? The business environment is being made DELIBERATELY bad by this congress and administration.

The game of economic musical chairs stopped in 2007 when the bottom fell out of the housing market. A bubble caused by liberals trying to put everyone into a home even though they knew they couldn't pay. They guaranteed the risk with your tax dollars and never told you. they then threatened banks ho got wise to the game and refused to play though the Reno Justice department W caught wind of it, but at that time, had lost power of congress in 2003 thanks to Jumpin Jim Jeffords and the Dems stymied the process to reform mortgage reform ever since. Then in 2007/8, they panicked. Panicked hard. W and the fed screwed up with a more than exuberant congress by shoving more chairs on the floor that they couldn't afford. All their friends were about to get burned for making stupid investments and they couldn't let that happen. This is not one side of the aisle. It was the whole of he elite. All across the world screaming to be saved before it was too late.

And what has changed since? The volume has increased. More money, more corruption, more bailouts, more government, more panic.

It has little to do with "envy" and everything to do with "opportunity," which the middle- and lower-classes can see slipping away from them at a faster clip than ever.

And who is stealing it from them? The government. Giving it to their friends who define the status quo. When will you realize that leftist governments functionally recreate feudalism? Nobles on top, serfs on the bottom, and NOTHING in the middle, and nobody crosses classes. This style of government was obsolete in the 1600's. Going back is only going to return us to the dark age. But that seems to be where elitists are happiest as long as they remain nobility.

Think about the consequences of supporting elitists. Right now the only ones NOT ELITISTS in the elections right now are non-incumbent tea partiers and they have a rather anti-elitist flavor. That is who you should be supporting, with maybe less than 5% of any politician currently in office.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

"We" did? Who is "we"?? "We" in your camp has it all backward.

We as in the majority of fair-minded conservatives that frequent this forum. That's leaves you out.

I was once a Republican, but by your "conservative" standards today I would be considered one of those evil rinos.

I doubt you were ever a Republican, unless of course if you have had a major head injury then I could see you switching parties.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I don't hate anyone. I am astounded as I watch the mega-rich buying our electoral process and bumfuddled at my fellow Americans who cannot sell their vote fast enough.

I know what motivates Karl Rove. WTF motivates you to cooperate with him in your own demise escapes me, Lonestar.

And to answer your question: I was a lawyer, and many in my profession live well off what they earn by representing the poor. But I was not one; the work I have done for people who could not afford me, I did for free.

Mega-rich? You mean folks like George Soros?

Tell us, what motivates Karl Rove?

And what makes you think I cooperate with him?

You working for free is supposed to answer my questions? Well then the answer to "how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man" is none. But it doesn't address the second question as to why you hate us rich folk.

"The US Economic Census indicates that attorneys median income is $165,000 a year it also indicates that the revenue per employee in law offices is $288,000."

"A legal aid attorney may make as little as $26,000-$40,000 in a small town. A senior partner in white collar crime defense at a large firm in New York can earn in excess of $1 million per year."

You lawyers are really living paycheck to paycheck huh? Poor thang!

I don't see George Soros on this list. Hmmm...

The World's Billionaires 2009 - Forbes.com

What motivates Karl Rove? His campaign to reelect George W. Bush was called "Republicans Forever." (His words.) To that end, in the 2004 race, Rove went after the Christian Evangelicals, making sure the propaganda was directed against those "decadent" liberals. And they were gullible enough to believe him.

Are you saying Soros isn't a billionaire? The link you provided ranked Soros at number 29, and that was in 2009, I have included a 2010 link that ranks him at 35.

I can see why you switched to the democrat party, you are incapable of being honest.

Karl Rove is doing his job, doesn't your job motivate you?

 

[rightwinger]

We as in the majority of fair-minded conservatives that frequent this forum. That's leaves you out.

I was once a Republican, but by your "conservative" standards today I would be considered one of those evil rinos.

I doubt you were ever a Republican, unless of course if you have had a major head injury then I could see you switching parties.

Believe it or not, there are many of us on this board who are ex-Republicans. We were loyal to the party until it abandoned us in the early 90s. I can no longer recognize the Party I supported in the 60s and 70s

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I was once a Republican, but by your "conservative" standards today I would be considered one of those evil rinos.

I doubt you were ever a Republican, unless of course if you have had a major head injury then I could see you switching parties.

Believe it or not, there are many of us on this board who are ex-Republicans. We were loyal to the party until it abandoned us in the early 90s. I can no longer recognize the Party I supported in the 60s and 70s

I don't believe anything that comes out of a liberals mouth.

 

[uscitizen]

I doubt you were ever a Republican, unless of course if you have had a major head injury then I could see you switching parties.

Believe it or not, there are many of us on this board who are ex-Republicans. We were loyal to the party until it abandoned us in the early 90s. I can no longer recognize the Party I supported in the 60s and 70s

I don't believe anything that comes out of a liberals mouth.

I pretty much do not believe any political rhetoric.
Remember now political talk is specifically exempt from the truth in advertising laws.

Only a fool would believe a sect which got specific exclusions from punishment for lying.

 

[Big Fitz]

We have a class war going on in this country. Wake The Fuck Up, people. The rich are NOT your friends.

Rich people want to defraud me, while poor people want to mug me.

Maybe it's America that is fucked up?

There's moral relativism and secularist philosophy in action for you. Take what you can, give nothing back and destroy those who judge you.

 

[Newby]

I don't hate anyone. I am astounded as I watch the mega-rich buying our electoral process and bumfuddled at my fellow Americans who cannot sell their vote fast enough.

I know what motivates Karl Rove. WTF motivates you to cooperate with him in your own demise escapes me, Lonestar.

And to answer your question: I was a lawyer, and many in my profession live well off what they earn by representing the poor. But I was not one; the work I have done for people who could not afford me, I did for free.

Mega-rich? You mean folks like George Soros?

Tell us, what motivates Karl Rove?

And what makes you think I cooperate with him?

You working for free is supposed to answer my questions? Well then the answer to "how many jobs have you gotten from a poor man" is none. But it doesn't address the second question as to why you hate us rich folk.

"The US Economic Census indicates that attorneys median income is $165,000 a year it also indicates that the revenue per employee in law offices is $288,000."

"A legal aid attorney may make as little as $26,000-$40,000 in a small town. A senior partner in white collar crime defense at a large firm in New York can earn in excess of $1 million per year."

You lawyers are really living paycheck to paycheck huh? Poor thang!

I don't see George Soros on this list. Hmmm...

The World's Billionaires 2009 - Forbes.com

What motivates Karl Rove? His campaign to reelect George W. Bush was called "Republicans Forever." (His words.) To that end, in the 2004 race, Rove went after the Christian Evangelicals, making sure the propaganda was directed against those "decadent" liberals. And they were gullible enough to believe him.

He's number 29.

 

[Sky Dancer]

I was once a Republican, but by your "conservative" standards today I would be considered one of those evil rinos.

I doubt you were ever a Republican, unless of course if you have had a major head injury then I could see you switching parties.

Believe it or not, there are many of us on this board who are ex-Republicans. We were loyal to the party until it abandoned us in the early 90s. I can no longer recognize the Party I supported in the 60s and 70s

If it was up to me I'd scrap both parties and start over.