Would you support a presidential candidate who held that biblical law superceded the Constitution?

[ScreamingEagle]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

 

[peach174]

Law of is of man
Man is fallible

True enough. But God isn't here to tell us what He, she, they, it want. Instead, its man telling us what God 'really means'.

Which leads us back to your statement: man is fallible.

Man could not have been that consistent. God wrote the Bible.
The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. There is a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these,there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.

What kind of writing utensil did he use? Or should I ask what font he used....I hope it wasn't Comic Sans.

He inspired the Men who wrote it.
Be insulting and flippant as you want to but history is there for the facts.
Moses who is credited with writing the Torah (Five books of Moses; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) was educated in the house of Pharaoh, he would have been literate not only in Egyptian but the surrounding cultures in his day. In the book of Job, dated to the Patriarchal period (2100-1800 B.C.) before the time of Moses, Job refers to writing and the material on which one writes. Writing with an Iron pen upon stone and lead is clearly described; lead a soft material could be inscribed with an Iron stylus. Soft Clay was also a material used to write upon, preserving the words of the writer.
Dismiss it all you want to but the facts are there like it or not.

And you know that....how? There are several versions of the bible....fact. There are several translations of the bible....fact. There are several contradictions in the bible...fact.

Your god did kind of a sucky job inspiring Men, didn't "he"?

Not really.
That is the excuses used by non believers.
Especially if you check all of the evidance out.
There are way more copies of the biblical manuscripts, with remarkable consistency between them, than there are for any of the classics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.
Again and again archaeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible. The more they dig, the more it confirms the Bible.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

No there is not. What are you babbling about?

 

[JakeStarkey]

True enough. But God isn't here to tell us what He, she, they, it want. Instead, its man telling us what God 'really means'.

Which leads us back to your statement: man is fallible.

Man could not have been that consistent. God wrote the Bible.
The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. There is a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these,there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.

What kind of writing utensil did he use? Or should I ask what font he used....I hope it wasn't Comic Sans.

He inspired the Men who wrote it.
Be insulting and flippant as you want to but history is there for the facts.
Moses who is credited with writing the Torah (Five books of Moses; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) was educated in the house of Pharaoh, he would have been literate not only in Egyptian but the surrounding cultures in his day. In the book of Job, dated to the Patriarchal period (2100-1800 B.C.) before the time of Moses, Job refers to writing and the material on which one writes. Writing with an Iron pen upon stone and lead is clearly described; lead a soft material could be inscribed with an Iron stylus. Soft Clay was also a material used to write upon, preserving the words of the writer.
Dismiss it all you want to but the facts are there like it or not.

And you know that....how? There are several versions of the bible....fact. There are several translations of the bible....fact. There are several contradictions in the bible...fact.

Your god did kind of a sucky job inspiring Men, didn't "he"?

Not really.
That is the excuses used by non believers.
Especially if you check all of the evidance out.
There are way more copies of the biblical manuscripts, with remarkable consistency between them, than there are for any of the classics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.
Again and again archaeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible. The more they dig, the more it confirms the Bible.

I am a Christian, and I will be the first to admit that since we Christians don't live up to our scriptures and that we have a secular Constitution, that the latter requires a level playing field.

Want to blame somebody, blame us Christians.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

No there is not. What are you babbling about?

what the hell do you know flakey jakey....?

 

[Bonzi]

True enough. But God isn't here to tell us what He, she, they, it want. Instead, its man telling us what God 'really means'.

Which leads us back to your statement: man is fallible.

Man could not have been that consistent. God wrote the Bible.
The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. There is a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these,there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.

What kind of writing utensil did he use? Or should I ask what font he used....I hope it wasn't Comic Sans.

He inspired the Men who wrote it.
Be insulting and flippant as you want to but history is there for the facts.
Moses who is credited with writing the Torah (Five books of Moses; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) was educated in the house of Pharaoh, he would have been literate not only in Egyptian but the surrounding cultures in his day. In the book of Job, dated to the Patriarchal period (2100-1800 B.C.) before the time of Moses, Job refers to writing and the material on which one writes. Writing with an Iron pen upon stone and lead is clearly described; lead a soft material could be inscribed with an Iron stylus. Soft Clay was also a material used to write upon, preserving the words of the writer.
Dismiss it all you want to but the facts are there like it or not.

And you know that....how? There are several versions of the bible....fact. There are several translations of the bible....fact. There are several contradictions in the bible...fact.

Your god did kind of a sucky job inspiring Men, didn't "he"?

Not really.
That is the excuses used by non believers.
Especially if you check all of the evidance out.
There are way more copies of the biblical manuscripts, with remarkable consistency between them, than there are for any of the classics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.
Again and again archaeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible. The more they dig, the more it confirms the Bible.

for every "accusation" of contradiction in the Bible there is an explanation...
we must not let others wear us down, but, continue to show our faith in compassion and love toward others....

 

[Skylar]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

And how does denying marriage to gays have any relevance to any of that?

 

[bodecea]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

You seem to want to tell other parents about how they can raise their children.

 

[Bonzi]

We must look out for the best interests of people and our society.
Apparently, we have decided to toss God aside, so, we'll see how that works. I'm not optimistic....

 

[Skylar]

We must look out for the best interests of people and our society.
Apparently, we have decided to toss God aside, so, we'll see how that works. I'm not optimistic....

More accurately, we've decided that Christians offering their interpretation of 'god's will' is just another flavor of the fallibility of man.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

And how does denying marriage to gays have any relevance to any of that?

Results reveal that, on eight out of twelve psychometric measures, the risk of clinical emotional problems, developmental problems, or use of mental health treatment services is nearly double among those with same-sex parents when contrasted with children of opposite-sex parents. The estimate of serious child emotional problems in children with same-sex parents is 17 percent, compared with 7 percent among opposite-sex parents, after adjusting for age, race, gender, and parent’s education and income. Rates of ADHD were higher as well—15.5 compared to 7.1 percent. The same is true for learning disabilities: 14.1 vs. 8 percent.

New Research on Same-Sex Households Reveals Kids Do Best With Mom and Dad

 

[Skylar]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

And how does denying marriage to gays have any relevance to any of that?

Results reveal that, on eight out of twelve psychometric measures, the risk of clinical emotional problems, developmental problems, or use of mental health treatment services is nearly double among those with same-sex parents when contrasted with children of opposite-sex parents. The estimate of serious child emotional problems in children with same-sex parents is 17 percent, compared with 7 percent among opposite-sex parents, after adjusting for age, race, gender, and parent’s education and income. Rates of ADHD were higher as well—15.5 compared to 7.1 percent. The same is true for learning disabilities: 14.1 vs. 8 percent.

New Research on Same-Sex Households Reveals Kids Do Best With Mom and Dad

And how many children in his study were raised by same sex parents from birth?

2. That's right, 2. And neither exhibited any of the 'heightened emotional problems' that Sullins cites.

Every other child of same sex couples used in the study was from a broken family. And they were cherry picked for exactly this trait from the 200,000 or so respondents. Stable, 2 parent same sex families were almost universally excluded from Sullin's study.

While almost all the opposite sex couples cited were married and had raised the children from birth.

When you compare stable, 2 parent same sex families who have raised their children from birth with stable, 2 parents opposite sex families who raised their chidlren from birth......you get this:

Australian children with same-sex attracted parents score higher than population samples on a number of parent-reported measures of child health. Perceived stigma is negatively associated with mental health. Through improved awareness of stigma these findings play an important role in health policy, improving child health outcomes.

BMC Public Health | Abstract | Parent-reported measures of child health and wellbeing in same-sex parent families: a cross-sectional survey

Now you don't think that Sullin's funding from the Family Research Council and his employment by the Catholic University of America would have anything to do with him intentionally omitting almost all stable same sex 2 parent households from his study, do you?

 

[Skylar]

This is why I wouldn't want a person who puts their religion above the constitution being president. As the faithful begin with a conclusion. And then 'massage' the data to match it.

 

[bravoactual]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

I don't think that a person who protests against having "The Government Involved In Health Care.", should then turn and round and demand "The Government" they do not want involved in Health pass a Constitutional Amendment Banning a Medical Procedure.

 

[bravoactual]

No and neither would Ben Carson as he stated.

Except that Carson also believes a Muslim, based upon their religion should not elected President.

 

[bravoactual]

True enough. But God isn't here to tell us what He, she, they, it want. Instead, its man telling us what God 'really means'.

Which leads us back to your statement: man is fallible.

Man could not have been that consistent. God wrote the Bible.
The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. There is a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these,there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.

What kind of writing utensil did he use? Or should I ask what font he used....I hope it wasn't Comic Sans.

He inspired the Men who wrote it.
Be insulting and flippant as you want to but history is there for the facts.
Moses who is credited with writing the Torah (Five books of Moses; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) was educated in the house of Pharaoh, he would have been literate not only in Egyptian but the surrounding cultures in his day. In the book of Job, dated to the Patriarchal period (2100-1800 B.C.) before the time of Moses, Job refers to writing and the material on which one writes. Writing with an Iron pen upon stone and lead is clearly described; lead a soft material could be inscribed with an Iron stylus. Soft Clay was also a material used to write upon, preserving the words of the writer.
Dismiss it all you want to but the facts are there like it or not.

And you know that....how? There are several versions of the bible....fact. There are several translations of the bible....fact. There are several contradictions in the bible...fact.

Your god did kind of a sucky job inspiring Men, didn't "he"?

If you cared to research from the "other side of the coin" you would see differently... but you only do the research AGAINST the Bible...

As the bible has been written and re-written way to many times to count I would your lacking any real argument.

I do not research the bible (a work of fiction) to know that I do not want to believe in Mean, Vengeful, Hateful, Prejudice god. I would never accept such a god.

Nor do I believe in the Myth of a son of a non-existent god who was, if as written never married the mother of his child, making Jesus a BASTARD CHILD.

You are free, under our Constitution to believe in whatever form of Religion, in what ever version you wish, the god that you want. I do not want to and I do not want to be told I have to.

 

[Seawytch]

both wanting to marry someone of the same sex and wanting to prostitute oneself are CHOICES MADE BY INDIVIDUALS. Why is it ok to make one illegal and the other legal? That isn't fair.

Once again, marriage isn't prostitution. You can equate them all you like. But it doesn't make your analogy any less void of logic or reason.

If you legalize one CHOICE you need to legalize ALL possible CHOICES an individual can make that doesn't harm others in their making that choice.

Nope. As the basis of the obergefell decision wasn't the legalization of 'all choices'. It was that the basis for exclusion of gays from marriage failed to meet the constitutional requirements.

You can imagine that Obergefell 'needed to' address all choices for everyone, forever. But your imagination really has nothing to do with the decision, caselaw, reality or the constitution.

All choices an individual can make involving the individual and consenting other individuals should be legal. Homosexuality should not be a special case that gets legalization while ignoring other choices people can make.

you're right....homosexuality should not be a special case.....it should be banned just like prostitution, etc.....gay marriage would be actually be banned today if the courts didn't think they could make law....a society needs to determine what values it will live by and this should be through the democratic process.....not through 5 or 6 lawyers in black robes....

No, he's not right. Why should homosexuality be criminalized?

our country was founded on many Christian principles and the more we get away from our original moral values the more our country sinks into depravity due to atheist secular relativistic arguments like yours.....if our country does not get back to its basic moral values our nation will rot from the inside......

The founders executed gays. The Puritians executed adulterers. Are these the 'christian principles' you think we should return to?

If so, why?

i don't care to regurgitate the arguments.....just know that if our society was allowed to vote on the issue gay marriage would be a dead issue....

i believe society can be tolerant of gays......however it does not accept gay marriage which is an affront to the laws of nature.......just ask the majority of states that rejected it before the issue was sent to their courts....

"An affront to the laws of nature"...

Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah...it was from racist bigots:


Connections and alliances so unnatural that God and nature seem to forbid them should be prohibited by positive law and be subject to no evasion. (Virginia Supreme Court ruling, 1878)

 

[Seawytch]

"the People should decide what type of society they wish to live in" without violating the rights of others.

Pesky thing that Constitution.

so you think you should have the 'right' to deny a child of his actual mother and replace her with a man.....?

Gays and lesbians have kids all the time. 10s of thousands in fact live in same sex households. So denying them marriage doesn't magically mean that their children have opposite sex parents.

It only guarantees these children never have married parents. Which only hurts these children.

funny how 'rights' suddenly become a relative thing.......this is all part of the pesky depravity of RELATIVISM......

Relative to what?

lots of deprived children there.....

relative to what? good question.....

Deprived of what? What is it you believe our children are deprived of?

Why would you want to legislatively deny our children married parents? What purpose does it serve?

They will still be our children.

 

[peach174]

Man could not have been that consistent. God wrote the Bible.
The Bible contains 66 books written over 1,500 years by 40 different writers but it tells one "big story" of God's plan of salvation that culminated in Jesus Christ. You can't even pass a secret around a circle of 12 people and get the same message at the end. There is a wide variety of human authors and themes (in the Bible). Yet behind these,there lies a single divine author with a single unifying theme.

What kind of writing utensil did he use? Or should I ask what font he used....I hope it wasn't Comic Sans.

He inspired the Men who wrote it.
Be insulting and flippant as you want to but history is there for the facts.
Moses who is credited with writing the Torah (Five books of Moses; Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy) was educated in the house of Pharaoh, he would have been literate not only in Egyptian but the surrounding cultures in his day. In the book of Job, dated to the Patriarchal period (2100-1800 B.C.) before the time of Moses, Job refers to writing and the material on which one writes. Writing with an Iron pen upon stone and lead is clearly described; lead a soft material could be inscribed with an Iron stylus. Soft Clay was also a material used to write upon, preserving the words of the writer.
Dismiss it all you want to but the facts are there like it or not.

And you know that....how? There are several versions of the bible....fact. There are several translations of the bible....fact. There are several contradictions in the bible...fact.

Your god did kind of a sucky job inspiring Men, didn't "he"?

Not really.
That is the excuses used by non believers.
Especially if you check all of the evidence out.
There are way more copies of the biblical manuscripts, with remarkable consistency between them, than there are for any of the classics like Plato, Aristotle and Socrates.
Again and again archaeological discoveries have verified the accuracy of the historical and cultural references in the Bible. The more they dig, the more it confirms the Bible.

I am a Christian, and I will be the first to admit that since we Christians don't live up to our scriptures and that we have a secular Constitution, that the latter requires a level playing field.

Want to blame somebody, blame us Christians.

What has that got to do with whether God or Man wrote the Bible, which was the brief deflection from the original conversation?

 

[Lakhota]

Hey dummy since christians made the constitution I would say it is a moot question.....

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The Constitution is a "secular" document and there is no mention of any zombie God.