Would You Want the Colorado GOP Elite Running the Political System Everywhere in the USA?

[JimBowie1958]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

 

[OldLady]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

 

[Defiant1]

I prefer the Colorado way over open primaries.

 

[Muhammed]

And, according to the law, Ted Cruz isn't even eligible to be president.

It's a fucking joke

 

[JimBowie1958]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

Actually, they canceled their primary in August of 2015, about a month after Trump had announced and was leading all the national polls.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I prefer the Colorado way over open primaries.

Thank you for having the nerve to stand up and speak for what you believe in then; oligarchy, elitism and the suppression of the Will of the People.

Have a nice day, mein herr.

 

[JimBowie1958]

And, according to the law, Ted Cruz isn't even eligible to be president.

It's a fucking joke

I dont think that that is true, according to the law.

Natural born citizen simply means that you are not an immigrant, and were born of American parents.

 

[bendog]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

Setting the Record Straight about Colorado’s Republican Caucus | Ari Armstrong

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

 

[OldLady]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

Actually, they canceled their primary in August of 2015, about a month after Trump had announced and was leading all the national polls.

Reince Preibus LIED?
Gory, you can't trust anyone anymore. LOL

 

[OldLady]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

The Republicans didn't make it easy to vote in our caucuses either. They only had ONE for our whole county, which is very large. The one caucus site was an hour's drive from the largest town in the county, and well over an hour and a half to the farthest northern town. In contrast, the Democrats had close to twenty.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

Actually, they canceled their primary in August of 2015, about a month after Trump had announced and was leading all the national polls.

Reince Preibus LIED?
Gory, you can't trust anyone anymore. LOL

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus
The Colorado Republican Party's decision last summer to jettison a presidential poll at its caucus on Tuesday looks worse with every passing day.

 

[JimBowie1958]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

The Republicans didn't make it easy to vote in our caucuses either. They only had ONE for our whole county, which is very large. The one caucus site was an hour's drive from the largest town in the county, and well over an hour and a half to the farthest northern town. In contrast, the Democrats had close to twenty.

This is a Political Dirty Trick called 'Reducing the Pool of Voters' and is designed to limmit suport for popular candidates and favor the Establishment candidate who will ahve more and closer supporters.

 

[Defiant1]

I prefer the Colorado way over open primaries.

Thank you for having the nerve to stand up and speak for what you believe in then; oligarchy, elitism and the suppression of the Will of the People.

Have a nice day, mein herr.

So you think people who aren't true members of a party should have a say as to who should be the party's nominee.

 

[JimBowie1958]

So you think people who aren't true members of a party should have a say as to who should be the party's nominee.

The phrase 'true m embers' is a fudge phrase that could mean anything from 'paid dues and joined thirty minutes ago', to 'has been a m ember in good standing since the last Presidential election'. Such ambiguous terms are completely exploitable by the party apparatchiks.

 

[Defiant1]

So you think people who aren't true members of a party should have a say as to who should be the party's nominee.

The phrase 'true m embers' is a fudge phrase that could mean anything from 'paid dues and joined thirty minutes ago', to 'has been a m ember in good standing since the last Presidential election'. Such ambiguous terms are completely exploitable by the party apparatchiks.

You sound like one of those PaulBots.

 

[OldLady]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

The Republicans didn't make it easy to vote in our caucuses either. They only had ONE for our whole county, which is very large. The one caucus site was an hour's drive from the largest town in the county, and well over an hour and a half to the farthest northern town. In contrast, the Democrats had close to twenty.

This is a Political Dirty Trick called 'Reducing the Pool of Voters' and is designed to limmit suport for popular candidates and favor the Establishment candidate who will ahve more and closer supporters.

Is Colorado the only state that did this?

 

[bendog]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

Colorado hasn't had a primary for years. What they had was a non-binding straw poll to tell the party leadership whom the rank and file preferred. Santorum won in 12, in part because the colo gop is first and foremost populated with evangelicals. However, the national party this year said any straw poll had to be binding. Colo's party leadership is against that because .... well, imagine if Santorum had all the delegates and wasn't even a candidate come national convention time.

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

The Republicans didn't make it easy to vote in our caucuses either. They only had ONE for our whole county, which is very large. The one caucus site was an hour's drive from the largest town in the county, and well over an hour and a half to the farthest northern town. In contrast, the Democrats had close to twenty.

This is a Political Dirty Trick called 'Reducing the Pool of Voters' and is designed to limmit suport for popular candidates and favor the Establishment candidate who will ahve more and closer supporters.

Is Colorado the only state that did this?

What's really funny about Jim is that he's for Bernie, and Bernie outperforms Hillary in caucus states.

 

[oreo]

If you had to pick a state GOP elite to run the US elections, which would you pick the Colorado GOP?

These guys tossed out their primary, and ran a system that isnt even a caucus, but a regional convention where the leadership voted on who the delegates would be, irrespective of who they officially supported. And somehow that all turned out to be Second Place runner Ted Cruz supporters.

Wouldnt that be great for the whole USA?

Or would you want some actual democracy in there somewhere?

Or perhaps you sympathize with the death threats against he GOP Colorado chairman?

Wouldnt that be great? A US political system so effective and popular that even members of its own party wants to choke them all to death?

BTW, I broke up the no vote just to make it fair.

We here is Colorado have wanted to go back to a Presidential primary for a couple of years. Who fights it? The right wing of the party. Every time it's brought up by the state legislature, he/she is inundated with angry right winger phone calls. Now it's come back to bite them in the ass. The caucus is manipulated by the few that show up for them, and they have a great history for picking who the loser will be, especially in Colorado.

At any rate election rules were followed, and this is why the caucus has to go. I am certain in other states the same thing can go on. As far as their use in a Presidential primary, I was hoping that someone would challenge their use, because they are the biggest joke to voter disenfranchisement in this nation today that still operates. Overseas military, parents who can't get a babysitter on a Tuesday night, the Elderly who can't see to drive well at night, sick, and people who work during the caucus time period.

If you're a Coloradoan you can get on Facebook and go to a page called "Kill the Caucus"--push the like button and get informed.
Kill the Caucus
Colorado considering change to presidential primary after 2016 caucus uproar
Furor, including a death threat, over Colorado caucus has many calling for change to primary system

 

[oreo]

But it wasn't because of Trump the rules are like that; you know that, right? They "tossed out their primary" way before Trump came on the scene.
Now, why Colorado voters accept this is a puzzlement to me, but I hear ALL presidential candidates were put forth this way until fairly recently--maybe 50 years ago?
Love the choices on your poll!

Colorado hasn't had a primary for years. What they had was a non-binding straw poll to tell the party leadership whom the rank and file preferred. Santorum won in 12, in part because the colo gop is first and foremost populated with evangelicals. However, the national party this year said any straw poll had to be binding. Colo's party leadership is against that because .... well, imagine if Santorum had all the delegates and wasn't even a candidate come national convention time.

What election was thrown out, and what election did Cruz finish second (to Trump I assume)?

A straw poll was tossed out rather than let it be binding.

And Cruz was running second in the only known state wide poll last November, with Trump leading it.

But some added remarks.....

Why Trump is Right: The Republican Nominating Process is a Scam - Tea Party News
Trump is right: These states’ rules are a scam, and saying so is not whining.

Take Colorado, for example. Voters in Colorado didn’t get to vote in a primary or a caucus because the state’s Republican Party executive committee decided last summer not to hold any presidential preference vote. Instead, voters had to gather at far-flung, time-consuming conventions to choose individual delegates.

Why wasn’t there a caucus with a presidential vote, as Colorado had held in previous years? Because this time the Republican National Committee had ordered states to bind their delegates to actually vote in line with voters’ presidential preference. Colorado Republicans didn’t want to do that, so they got rid of the presidential vote.

That is, the purpose of Colorado’s rule change was explicitly antidemocratic. It took power away from regular voters and handed it to the sort of activists who would be likely to spend a lot of time and energy participating in party conventions.

These were the rules, but they weren’t democratic rules.

Colorado GOP blundered on 2016 presidential caucus

GOP leaders have never provided a satisfactory reason for forgoing a presidential preference poll, although party chairman Steve House suggested on radio at one point that too many Republicans would otherwise flock to their local caucus.

Imagine that: party officials fearing that an interesting race might propel thousands of additional citizens to participate. But of course that might dilute the influence of elites and insiders. You can see why that could upset the faint-hearted.

By contrast, far-sighted party leaders should have welcomed the extra attention to their caucus and the potential activism on the party's behalf it would have spawned.

The Republicans didn't make it easy to vote in our caucuses either. They only had ONE for our whole county, which is very large. The one caucus site was an hour's drive from the largest town in the county, and well over an hour and a half to the farthest northern town. In contrast, the Democrats had close to twenty.

This is a Political Dirty Trick called 'Reducing the Pool of Voters' and is designed to limmit suport for popular candidates and favor the Establishment candidate who will ahve more and closer supporters.

Is Colorado the only state that did this?

What's really funny about Jim is that he's for Bernie, and Bernie outperforms Hillary in caucus states.

Typically the underdog will win in Caucus states due to very low voter participation. Colorado is no exception. In Colorado less than 1% of either party bothers to show up at a 3 hour meeting to cast a vote, so typically underdog candidates overwhelm them and the underdog candidate wins.

I think the majority in this state, both Democrats and Republicans want to go back to a primary ballot--but the loudest noise always comes from the right wing of the party. But after this they may finally be on board.

If you're a Coloradoan you can go to Facebook, and like a page called Kill the Caucus. Here is that link.
Kill the Caucus