Wouldnt it be funny if Trump gave us single payer?

[TNHarley]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

 

[TomParks]

I would repeal it and those without insurance have the option for Medicaid. Charge a monthly premium based on income. If you don't want insurance you are not forced to buy it period. Trump has no choice because thanks to Obama you cant pull coverage without voters kicking your ass out off office...why this wasn't done to begin with I have no clue. Obama screwed everything up.

 

[Rustic]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Millions would quit everything and live off the nanny state... just like Europe. Fact

 

[The Great Goose]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

When he does it, I will come into USMB and say to you all "Welcome to the West".

It will be a great day. If he can halt immigration and introduce single payer medicare, then he'll have done enough.

 

[Pogo]

Considering he has no policies anything is possible.

I don't see Rump pushing for anything on any front unless it's kicking back something personally to Numero Uno. That's all he's ever been about all his life and there's zero reason to think that would suddenly change. So he might do Single Payer if there's a way to do it that funnels cash back to his mythological fortune, but other than that he's got no incentive.

 

[The Great Goose]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Millions would quit everything and live off the nanny state... just like Europe. Fact

Europe is doing better than America in Every way.

 

[AntonToo]

I would repeal it and those without insurance have the option for Medicaid. Charge a monthly premium based on income. If you don't want insurance you are not forced to buy it period. Trump has no choice because thanks to Obama you cant pull coverage without voters kicking your ass out off office...why this wasn't done to begin with I have no clue. Obama screwed everything up.

LOL, that is actually means to SINGLE PAYER.

Everyone will get amazingly low priced Medicaid and private insurance companies will simply die off.

Democrats, including Obama were pushing for "public option" in the ACA, but Republicans and even some more conservative Democrats were against it and it just wasn't worth the losing fight.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Would anybody actually be shocked if he did? It's not like he's advocating a free market in health insurance or health care after all. It's going to be Trumpcare instead of Obamacare, if that.

 

[Moonglow]

I would repeal it and those without insurance have the option for Medicaid. Charge a monthly premium based on income. If you don't want insurance you are not forced to buy it period. Trump has no choice because thanks to Obama you cant pull coverage without voters kicking your ass out off office...why this wasn't done to begin with I have no clue. Obama screwed everything up.

Oblama followed the republican plan almost to the letter.....

 

[Moonglow]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Millions would quit everything and live off the nanny state... just like Europe. Fact

Europe is doing better than America in Every way.

We can tell by their huge military...

 

[AntonToo]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Millions would quit everything and live off the nanny state... just like Europe. Fact

Europe is doing better than America in Every way.

Now now lets not kid ourselves.

 

[FA_Q2]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Funny? No, not funny at all.

Possible? Hell, its likely. He was an open advocate for single payer before he even ran. The republicans, in all their infinite wisdom, takes Obamacare as the single largest issue they are against and then runs Romney - essentially the only republican to do something similar - against Obama and elects Trump - a single payer advocate - to replace him.

The amount of doublethink required for this is breathtaking.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Single payer doesn't work. It's foundation is rationed care where the benefit is how many patients are killed rather how many are treated.

 

[WillowTree]

I would not have a problem of healthcare for everyone so long as we have a flat tax for everyone but this old shit of half the country getting a free ride is getting old. And, drop the free phone and other superfluous bs the taxpayer is on the hook for. We are breeding non performers!

 

[TNHarley]

I would not have a problem of healthcare for everyone so long as we have a flat tax for everyone but this old shit of half the country getting a free ride is getting old. And, drop the free phone and other superfluous bs the taxpayer is on the hook for. We are breeding non performers!

I don't mind phones really. But the first sentence, I absolutely agree.

 

[Fenton Lum]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

Single payer is how it should have been done in the first place, I could sure as hell support him on this.

 

[Penelope]

I would repeal it and those without insurance have the option for Medicaid. Charge a monthly premium based on income. If you don't want insurance you are not forced to buy it period. Trump has no choice because thanks to Obama you cant pull coverage without voters kicking your ass out off office...why this wasn't done to begin with I have no clue. Obama screwed everything up.

I would not have a problem of healthcare for everyone so long as we have a flat tax for everyone but this old shit of half the country getting a free ride is getting old. And, drop the free phone and other superfluous bs the taxpayer is on the hook for. We are breeding non performers!

They get rich off of us they can pay more. Look at trump doesn't pay anything, most of them don't.

 

[MisterBeale]

Considering he has no policies anything is possible.

I don't see Rump pushing for anything on any front unless it's kicking back something personally to Numero Uno. That's all he's ever been about all his life and there's zero reason to think that would suddenly change. So he might do Single Payer if there's a way to do it that funnels cash back to his mythological fortune, but other than that he's got no incentive.

You know I've always been suspicious of government, and I'm here to discuss and debate the merits, the legitimacy of the State.


For the past four years, when ever a poster referred to the POTUS as Oblammer, Obummer, Bammy, ObaMao, Obamadinejad, Oblowme, Odrama, Maobama, LOLbama, Bam-Bam, Bambi, Bammy, B.O., etc. I've always taken the opinion of a poster using such terms with a general grain of salt. I get that hatred and partisan vitriol informs their posts, not an informed analysis of issues.

Why? Because it is apparent to the board that the posting comes from a place of hate and vitriol, not from reasoned, critical thought. Do you want to be viewed by those in the center, and those non-members that come through, that just read our board, as someone whose posts can't be taken seriously?

If you continually use Ad hominem fallacy, the entirety of your posts won't be taken seriously by anyone with intellectual integrity. We know the sort of characters on the right that constantly disparage Obama. Like him or hate him, he is the POTUS, and he was elected by the laws of the land. The same is true for the current clown that leads the lemmings.

Using ad hominem in your arguments weakens them, and you tend to be a poster that doesn't need to resort to this. . .


Just an observation. Think about how you felt when ever bullet heads on the right would use these disparaging terms for Obama, and then how seriously you would proceed to consider their ideas.

 

[wherewoof]

What if that is what he will replace it with?
We already know he liked that idea
---
There’s many different ways, by the way. Everybody’s got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, “No, no, the lower 25 percent that can’t afford private. But–”
60 min interview last year
“If you can’t take care of your sick in the country, forget it, it’s all over... I believe in universal healthcare.”
Said that a few years ago
"I'm a conservative on most issues but a liberal on this one. We should not hear so many stories of families ruined by healthcare expenses...
"We need, as a nation, to reexamine the single-payer plan, as many individual states are doing."
"The America We Deserve"
---
Would single payer be OK then?

If Trump was smart, he would give American citizens a single payer universal health care system. Just like what most of the rest of the developed world has.

 

[Pogo]

Considering he has no policies anything is possible.

I don't see Rump pushing for anything on any front unless it's kicking back something personally to Numero Uno. That's all he's ever been about all his life and there's zero reason to think that would suddenly change. So he might do Single Payer if there's a way to do it that funnels cash back to his mythological fortune, but other than that he's got no incentive.

You know I've always been suspicious of government, and I'm here to discuss and debate the merits, the legitimacy of the State.


For the past four years, when ever a poster referred to the POTUS as Oblammer, Obummer, Bammy, ObaMao, Obamadinejad, Oblowme, Odrama, Maobama, LOLbama, Bam-Bam, Bambi, Bammy, B.O., etc. I've always taken the opinion of a poster using such terms with a general grain of salt. I get that hatred and partisan vitriol informs their posts, not an informed analysis of issues.

Why? Because it is apparent to the board that the posting comes from a place of hate and vitriol, not from reasoned, critical thought. Do you want to be viewed by those in the center, and those non-members that come through, that just read our board, as someone whose posts can't be taken seriously?

If you continually use Ad hominem fallacy, the entirety of your posts won't be taken seriously by anyone with intellectual integrity. We know the sort of characters on the right that constantly disparage Obama. Like him or hate him, he is the POTUS, and he was elected by the laws of the land. The same is true for the current clown that leads the lemmings.

Using ad hominem in your arguments weakens them, and you tend to be a poster that doesn't need to resort to this. . .


Just an observation. Think about how you felt when ever bullet heads on the right would use these disparaging terms for Obama, and then how seriously you would proceed to consider their ideas.

You're taking "Rump" as ad hominem?

I use it as a title, one he's worked very hard to earn. And no I cannot ---as in not capable of --- take him seriously as a President given what I already know about him. That's all a given.

But the analysis is the same. I could replace the letter T on his name and the post would say exactly the same thing. And it would return to the same point of origin, that being a description of a completely self-absorbed asshole who's concerned about absolutely nothing but Himself --- whether that applies to policies on Single Payer or anything else, or whether it applies to "Rump".

Far as I'm concerned he'll earn his full name when he earns it. Until then he has nothing but contempt. Because that's exactly what he's earned.

And I might add, *NONE* of that is mitigated by being elected President --- had he lost the election he would still be "Rump".

Point taken about apparent objectivity and granted, it is a valid point. When and if I think I need that image I'll work it in (and in fact I already do when taking pains to be objective such as a poll). But for now bowdlerizing my own term would be tantamount to awarding a level of respect he simply does not by any definition deserve.