Yet another school shooting

[DrLove]

Gee maybe you have the kids enter the school in a controlled manner and have them open their coats and book bags for a quick visual inspection

That won't cost a dime will it?

TSA airport style? Okay nice, There are over 133,000 schools in the US.

Better hire at LEAST that many trained professionals and prepare for lines that loop around the school several times with classes delayed for an hour or so.

And THAT assumes that a school has one entry point. Most have a dozen or more.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

 

[Slyhunter]

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

I had access to my step fathers guns and took them to go hunting in the woods around UCF all the time. I never shot anyone.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Gee maybe you have the kids enter the school in a controlled manner and have them open their coats and book bags for a quick visual inspection

That won't cost a dime will it?

TSA airport style? Okay nice, There are over 133,000 schools in the US.

Better hire at LEAST that many trained professionals and prepare for lines that loop around the school several times with classes delayed for an hour or so.

And THAT assumes that a school has one entry point. Most have a dozen or more.

It takes a trained professional to look inside a book bag? It takes a trained professional to have a kid take off his coat at the door?

And it assumes nothing all that needs to be done is to designate one set of doors for entry and lock all the others from the inside

You really can't think your way out of a paper wet paper bag

 

[Skull Pilot]

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

I had access to my step fathers guns and took them to go hunting in the woods around UCF all the time. I never shot anyone.

If you did your father would have been culpable just as this kid's father is culpable.

Tell me if you took your father's car without permission and ran over an old lady would your father not be culpable for the actions of you, his minor child?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The takeaway from these 115 pages is clear, those so intensely opposed to even talking about means to end this American Horror seek to blame everyone and everything but the gun.

In fact they truly believe guns are benevolent and the NRA exists to promote gun safety, when it is clear profit and power is its real purpose.

There is no point in seeking to debate them, for they will never compromise no matter how much more carnage and grief occurs. It is their supposed right, which supersedes the life of others, even those who had only been on the earth for less than two decades or even one.

Why would anyone compromise when they are in the right? A firearm is not intelligent and does not have free will. It is merely an object. The ONLY way to deal with this problem is to change the behavior of the humans who are committing these acts.

Good grief, what is right about guns being in the hands of someone irresponsible? Since science cannot predict future behavior, which is more right, gun control or people control?

Gun control requires a modicum of infringement on the person, the latter an extreme amount of infringement on their liberty.

Easy, people control is better. Guns aren't the only tool used when an idiot goes bonkers.

No further comment needs to be expressed to prove beagle9 supports Authoritarianism. This ideology is anathema to our nations history and tradition.

Sadly he is not alone in seeking to destroy what our Founding Fathers left to their posterity, and has become a movement on the far right led by Trump&Co.

 

[jon_berzerk]

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

bs adam lanza killed his mother to access her weapons

i will wait for the facts to come out

 

[basquebromance]

Look what happened when we secured our airports with armed guards and metal detectors? We shouldn’t have to, but clearly we need to do the same to our schools. Bad people will do bad things regardless of what weapons are available

 

[Skull Pilot]

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

bs adam lanza killed his mother to access her weapons

i will wait for the facts to come out

Police: Suspect in Texas school shooting used father's guns

The Texas student charged in the school shooting at Santa Fe High School posted an image on Facebook of himself wearing a "Born to Kill" shirt and used his father's shotgun and pistol in the attack that left 10 dead and 10 wounded,

 

[basquebromance]

"I'm always slightly amazed that the Party which condones over 1 million abortions a year complains about the "culture of death" caused by guns. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT DEATH, THEY CARE ABOUT CONTROL, AND IF THEY CAN TAKE YOUR GUNS, THEY TAKE CONTROL." - Wacky Bill Mitchell

 

[saveliberty]

Did the media run out and get quotes from the Parkland kids yet?

 

[basquebromance]

Oliver North links shootings to ADHD medication: Kids have "been drugged in many cases"

 

[basquebromance]

Colorado woman convicted in shooting death of her husband – The Denver Post

 

[Wry Catcher]

Coaches and other students tortured him verbally and mentally. Said he smelled bad, was fat and ugly, laughed at him, etc. So he snapped. I hope he got the ones that were doing it to him.

(Another student stated the guy was bullied by coaches and students. No surprise, that).

THAT...

Is the root of the cause.

(Looking at you, Wry Catcher)

Had he not had access to guns, ..., The fact is, if he was the target of bullies, he had alternatives. We know he had access to guns, do we know if he had access to counselors, parents he could talk to, or a favorite teacher? There is no singular explanation for his motivation. What we know is he had means and an opportunity.

Parents should share the blame in this, even charged for neglect big time if find out huge mistakes were made. If Dad or mom exposed their son to deadly weapons without regard, then he or she should share a cell next to their son for his actions.

A common sense gun law, requiring trigger locks and secure storage of firearms have been opposed by the NRA and its supporters. One more reason that the NRA is an irresponsible organization which enables the horrific use of firearms, such as we have seen too often in our country.

How do you enforce a law like that?

Do you just let the cops enter any home at any time to check?

IMO the father of this kid should be charged with negligence at the least and serve at least 5 years the kid should be tries as an adult and serve the rest of his life

Guns needed to be safely secured, and that is what the rightwing once supported in terms of making all of us to practice personal responsibility. We pass a law not as a panacea, but as a warning (much like a Red Light at an intersection, if you run the Red Light and cause an accident you will be punished, by fines and/or a loss of liberty).

You continue to make remarks which question enforcement codes, and the answer is always the same. Such laws are not able or conceived to prevent law breakers, but to punish them when they are discovered.

Of course if one understands how MADD evolved and its impact on drunk driving, they would understand that as penalties increased infractions reduced (and deaths too), but were never eliminated.

You have two arguments:

1. Shall not infringe
2. Laws don't work

Both have been rebutted over and over and by stating them over and over and expecting a different response is not an effective argument.

 

[jon_berzerk]

there is not enough information out there yet to make that call about the father at least i have not seen any

The kid took his his father's guns.

The guns were not secured the the father is culpable

i have not heard if the guns had been secured or not

do you have a link on that

If they were secured the kid would not have been able to get his hands on them

Common sense

bs adam lanza killed his mother to access her weapons

i will wait for the facts to come out

Police: Suspect in Texas school shooting used father's guns

The Texas student charged in the school shooting at Santa Fe High School posted an image on Facebook of himself wearing a "Born to Kill" shirt and used his father's shotgun and pistol in the attack that left 10 dead and 10 wounded,

so that is not prof that he did not have them secure

the kid could have broke into a locked area

so me the real proof the father acted irresponsible

so if someone broke into your home or beat the shit out of you and took your firearm

and committed a crime with it

should you be locked away for 5 years for that

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"If President Trump or the First Lady wanted to visit any public school in America, that school would be secured without a 2nd thought. It can be done. Its worth the resources. Its not controversial. Its not political. There are no excuses."

What is controversial is how you secure schools. The gun nuts want a shooting iron on every teacher. The liberals want a professional security officer at every school, metal detectors, and more restriction on school access. The conservative approach is cheap; it cost the government nothing. The liberal approach is expensive. It will cost the government many millions. Considering the political polarization in the country, major changes are unlikely.

Arming teachers is clearly not the answer.

Armed teachers are more likely to kill innocent students than an active shooter.

Advocates of such nonsense obviously know nothing about the use of handguns; to be accurate and proficient with a handgun requires extensive, ongoing training – a skill and ability that can take years to develop.

And that training and practice involves shooting at stationary targets in a pistol range, nothing like the chaos and confusion that takes place during a live shooting incident.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The world looks at you like we look at the Taliban. Still regressive when it comes to governance and guns. Pathetic...kids gets gunned down in schools.

Again, who cares what the world thinks of this nation, it is our problem to solve and it will be solved. The left might not like the fix, but who cares about that anymore ? No one cares but the left who still thinks that they will be fundementally changing this nation into their utopic leftist fantasy land.

Ever watch the Trueman story, it doesn't work (a perfect world), otherwise like you think. Freedom is in our DNA, and it ain't changing no time soon.

Freedom ? Hahaha the dumbest thing ever. Other nations are enslaved ? You pay taxes to the government you have shitty life style, shortest lifespan, highest murder and crime rate, least safe, the most obese, the most in debt compared most civilised countries and you talking about freedom ?

Uhh, aren't you from another country ? If so turn around and fix your own troubles. We don't need your advice if looking in from the outside.

He is an American.

. So he's being unAmerican or anti-American ??

Neither.

And you and others on the right are in no position to judge who is being ‘American enough.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The takeaway from these 115 pages is clear, those so intensely opposed to even talking about means to end this American Horror seek to blame everyone and everything but the gun.

In fact they truly believe guns are benevolent and the NRA exists to promote gun safety, when it is clear profit and power is its real purpose.

There is no point in seeking to debate them, for they will never compromise no matter how much more carnage and grief occurs. It is their supposed right, which supersedes the life of others, even those who had only been on the earth for less than two decades or even one.

Why would anyone compromise when they are in the right? A firearm is not intelligent and does not have free will. It is merely an object. The ONLY way to deal with this problem is to change the behavior of the humans who are committing these acts.

Good grief, what is right about guns being in the hands of someone irresponsible? Since science cannot predict future behavior, which is more right, gun control or people control?

Gun control requires a modicum of infringement on the person, the latter an extreme amount of infringement on their liberty.

Easy, people control is better. Guns aren't the only tool used when an idiot goes bonkers.

No further comment needs to be expressed to prove beagle9 supports Authoritarianism. This ideology is anathema to our nations history and tradition.

Sadly he is not alone in seeking to destroy what our Founding Fathers left to their posterity, and has become a movement on the far right led by Trump&Co.

Correct.

Conservative dogma is fundamentally authoritarian, seeking to compel conformity and punish dissent.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The takeaway from these 115 pages is clear, those so intensely opposed to even talking about means to end this American Horror seek to blame everyone and everything but the gun.

In fact they truly believe guns are benevolent and the NRA exists to promote gun safety, when it is clear profit and power is its real purpose.

There is no point in seeking to debate them, for they will never compromise no matter how much more carnage and grief occurs. It is their supposed right, which supersedes the life of others, even those who had only been on the earth for less than two decades or even one.

Why would anyone compromise when they are in the right? A firearm is not intelligent and does not have free will. It is merely an object. The ONLY way to deal with this problem is to change the behavior of the humans who are committing these acts.

Good grief, what is right about guns being in the hands of someone irresponsible? Since science cannot predict future behavior, which is more right, gun control or people control?

Gun control requires a modicum of infringement on the person, the latter an extreme amount of infringement on their liberty.

You are partially correct, but not guns being in the hands of the irresponsible, but it’s antidepressants being in those hands causing the body count.

End the use of these in or youth, you end the killings and put a substantial dent in teen suicide.

Guess we just don’t care when it’s far easier to blame guns.

If you are not a psychologist, psychiatrist or a parent of a child who is clinically depressed, or simply one who is sad most of the time and not diagnosed, why do you want others to believe you have any insight into this issue?

No one knows what motivated these mass killers of their peers, even those who commit such horrific acts and survive are not likely aware of the "why".

 

[Pop23]

The takeaway from these 115 pages is clear, those so intensely opposed to even talking about means to end this American Horror seek to blame everyone and everything but the gun.

In fact they truly believe guns are benevolent and the NRA exists to promote gun safety, when it is clear profit and power is its real purpose.

There is no point in seeking to debate them, for they will never compromise no matter how much more carnage and grief occurs. It is their supposed right, which supersedes the life of others, even those who had only been on the earth for less than two decades or even one.

Why would anyone compromise when they are in the right? A firearm is not intelligent and does not have free will. It is merely an object. The ONLY way to deal with this problem is to change the behavior of the humans who are committing these acts.

Good grief, what is right about guns being in the hands of someone irresponsible? Since science cannot predict future behavior, which is more right, gun control or people control?

Gun control requires a modicum of infringement on the person, the latter an extreme amount of infringement on their liberty.

You are partially correct, but not guns being in the hands of the irresponsible, but it’s antidepressants being in those hands causing the body count.

End the use of these in or youth, you end the killings and put a substantial dent in teen suicide.

Guess we just don’t care when it’s far easier to blame guns.

If you are not a psychologist, psychiatrist or a parent of a child who is clinically depressed, or simply one who is sad most of the time and not diagnosed, why do you want others to believe you have any insight into this issue?

No one knows what motivated these mass killers of their peers, even those who commit such horrific acts and survive are not likely aware of the "why".

I don’t. The links I’ve provided however are the experts.

You ignore not just me, but experts as well.