You are unemployed and want a new job, under a Democratic president you have a better chance of getting one!

[jc456]

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) of 2017, which was the cornerstone of Trump's economic policy, did indeed lower taxes for most Americans,

any tax paying american. funny how you disingenuous losers can't ever represent the facts.

but the lion's share of the benefits went to corporations and the wealthy. According to studies,

you have zero ability to know any results. no one does. So any study is a blatant lie.

these tax cuts did little to boost long-term wage growth for working-class families,

you don't have any knowledge of this either. that is just a blatant lie. misrepresenting and disinformation.

and any immediate gains were offset by rising healthcare costs,
housing expenses, and the reduction in public services due to cuts in federal programs.

based on what? show us some figures that imply that.

Moreover, the idea that tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations

is a tactic of the demofks, it's the lie they must get out to feed their sheep. lies and lies and lies.
It's obvious you have no idea how the tax system functions.

will automatically lead to job creation and higher wages, core tenets of trickle-down economics,

again, just a demofk tool to feed the demofk sheep. You still haven't answered my question on Reagan! why?

has been widely debunked. What actually happens is that corporations use much of their tax windfall for stock buybacks and dividends, which primarily benefit shareholders, not workers. The promised "trickle-down" effect always fails to materialize for the average American worker, who sees little to no meaningful improvement in their economic situation.

nothing but disinformation, perpetuated by lying demofks for the sheep.

In contrast, policies that invest directly in the working and middle classes,

name one biden introduced.

such as increased minimum wages,

does absolutely nothing, all it does it cause prices to rise taking the higher wage back. it's a fking shell game implemented by demofks for votes.

stronger labor protections,

such as?

free education and job training (technical training),

where?

and universal healthcare (healthy workforce = more production and prosperity for everyone),

where?

are more effective in driving sustainable economic growth and reducing inequality.

whose isn't equal? Are you equal to me?

Trump's approach didn't serve the long-term interests of working-class families;

yet families had more money cause price of goods was low and gas prices were under 2.50 a gallon for most of his term.

it mostly served to further enrich the already wealthy.

who, name someone who was enriched. just mumbo jumbo talking points from demofks.

 

[jc456]

The very opposite is true. It impoverishes the working class in the long term, and creates economic crises, requiring more bailouts for the rich (socialism for the wealthy/public funds save the day, the profits are private, the losses are made public). It undermines democracy, centralizing power into the hands of a few plutocrats, who use government to serve themselves at the expense of the public good.

wow, you really are sunk in on demofk disinformation jargon. Do you have a booklet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Measily tax cuts for the working class, with more expenses. Nothing really gained.

The Trump tax cuts didn't cause more expenses for the working class.

 

[Faun]

well of course, they agreed with doing it, but what I said was congress approved it, they did. Your own email is my evidence.

They approved of Bush determining if war was necessary.

 

[justoffal]

I can define trickle-down economics for you, no problem. Why didn't you ask earlier? Here it is:

Trickle-down economics (a.k.a. supply-side economics or Reaganomics) is an economic theory that suggests benefits provided to the wealthy, such as tax cuts, deregulation, and other incentives, will eventually "trickle down" to the broader population. The idea is that when the rich have more money, they will invest in businesses, create jobs, and drive economic growth, thereby benefiting everyone, including those at the lower end of the economic spectrum.

The reality is that the "trickle down" doesn't trickle.

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Trickle-down economics is deeply flawed and fundamentally unjust. This approach exacerbates inequality by concentrating wealth and power in the hands of a few, while the supposed benefits for the working class rarely materialize. Instead of wealth trickling down, it often stays at the top, leading to greater disparities in income and opportunity.

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If you're not going to adopt socialism, well then at least do the following. You must emphasize the importance of demand-side economics, rather than the "supply-side". Economic growth is more effectively driven by ensuring that the working classes have enough purchasing power to drive demand for goods and services. In my view, policies should focus on putting money directly into the hands of those who are more likely to spend it purchasing goods and services, thereby stimulating the economy from the bottom up, rather than relying on the uncertain and often delayed effects of wealth accumulating at the top.

There you go. Shoot.

Give me an example of a single system that exists today that does not operate from the top down.

I'm not saying it's ideal and it certainly is open to abuse however I see nothing anywhere on the planet that operates differently whatever it may claim to be.

 

[jc456]

Measily tax cuts for the working class, with more expenses. Nothing really gained.

do you know how tax cuts work? I keep asking you, but you keep avoiding the question. why? Can't post your booklet phrases? ahahahahhahaha dude, you're so obvious it screams at me when I see your posts.

 

[TruthNotBS]

How do tax cuts and deregulation impoverish the working class in the long term?

Todd, your defense of tax cuts and deregulation as a benefit to the working class is completely detached from reality. The truth is, laissez-faire economics has historically gutted the American middle class and stripped workers of their rights. The so-called "golden age" of the U.S. economy, the period when we had the strongest middle class, the highest wages, and the most job security, occurred when union membership was at its peak and the wealthiest Americans were paying tax rates as high as 91%. That’s when we built the infrastructure and manufacturing base that made our country strong. Contrast that with the era of deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy that started in the 1980s, which led to the outsourcing of jobs, the destruction of our manufacturing sector, and the rise of a low-wage, service-based economy.

Supply-side economics has done nothing but concentrate wealth at the top while leaving the working class to struggle. The deregulation you champion has allowed corporations to undermine workers' rights, destroy unions, and depress wages. The shift to a finance-driven economy has prioritized speculative trading and Wall Street profits over the well-being of ordinary Americans. Today, over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, a direct result of policies that favor the rich at the expense of everyone else. Deregulation doesn’t empower the working class; it makes their lives more precarious and unsafe while enriching the few at the top.

If you’re unwilling to consider a marketless socialist economy, then at least acknowledge that Keynesian economics, focused on demand-side solutions, has a proven track record of building a stronger and more equitable economy. It’s not about giving the rich more so that some crumbs might eventually fall to the rest of us; it’s about ensuring that working-class people have the purchasing power and economic security to drive sustainable growth from the ground up. Laissez-faire economics has failed time and again, and clinging to it is just clinging to a fantasy that serves the wealthy while harming everyone else.

 

[jc456]

They approved of Bush determining if war was necessary.

simpleton. willful ignorance.

 

[Faun]

you mean intelligence and congress lied.

Bush appointed the heads of our intelligence agencies. He's responsible. And Congress fell victim to those lies.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Give me an example of a single system that exists today that does not operate from the top down.

I'm not saying it's ideal and it certainly is open to abuse however I see nothing anywhere on the planet that operates differently whatever it may claim to be.

When you focus on demand rather than supply, you're ensuring the paying consumer has more money to spend, hence that economy is bottom-up rather than top-down. It doesn't matter if the government is ensuring this dynamic, provided it serves the interests of the working class (wage earners), which constitute 96% of the population.

 

[TruthNotBS]

The Trump tax cuts didn't cause more expenses for the working class.

I didn't say tax cuts caused more expenses, so you need to better comprehend what you read. More expenses nonetheless. The so-called "tax-cuts" did nothing for the average worker. It did much more for the rich and powerful, which is the socioeconomic class that Trump is most concerned with, due to it being his own. He's for himself and his class interests, not the working class.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Todd, your defense of tax cuts and deregulation as a benefit to the working class is completely detached from reality. The truth is, laissez-faire economics has historically gutted the American middle class and stripped workers of their rights. The so-called "golden age" of the U.S. economy, the period when we had the strongest middle class, the highest wages, and the most job security, occurred when union membership was at its peak and the wealthiest Americans were paying tax rates as high as 91%. That’s when we built the infrastructure and manufacturing base that made our country strong. Contrast that with the era of deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy that started in the 1980s, which led to the outsourcing of jobs, the destruction of our manufacturing sector, and the rise of a low-wage, service-based economy.

Supply-side economics has done nothing but concentrate wealth at the top while leaving the working class to struggle. The deregulation you champion has allowed corporations to undermine workers' rights, destroy unions, and depress wages. The shift to a finance-driven economy has prioritized speculative trading and Wall Street profits over the well-being of ordinary Americans. Today, over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck, a direct result of policies that favor the rich at the expense of everyone else. Deregulation doesn’t empower the working class; it makes their lives more precarious and unsafe while enriching the few at the top.

If you’re unwilling to consider a marketless socialist economy, then at least acknowledge that Keynesian economics, focused on demand-side solutions, has a proven track record of building a stronger and more equitable economy. It’s not about giving the rich more so that some crumbs might eventually fall to the rest of us; it’s about ensuring that working-class people have the purchasing power and economic security to drive sustainable growth from the ground up. Laissez-faire economics has failed time and again, and clinging to it is just clinging to a fantasy that serves the wealthy while harming everyone else.

Todd, your defense of tax cuts and deregulation as a benefit to the working class is completely detached from reality.

The middle class do very well every time taxes and regulations are cut.

the most job security, occurred when union membership was at its peak and the wealthiest Americans were paying tax rates as high as 91%.

Yeah, life was easy when we were the only economy not bombed into rubble.

Supply-side economics has done nothing but concentrate wealth at the top

How?

If you’re unwilling to consider a marketless socialist economy, then at least acknowledge that Keynesian economics, focused on demand-side solutions, has a proven track record of building a stronger and more equitable economy.

Who uses Keynesian economics today? How do they implement it?

 

[Faun]

simpleton. willful ignorance.

I showed you the resolution. Not my problem you don't know the meaning of the words, "as he determines."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I didn't say tax cuts caused more expenses, so you need to better comprehend what you read. More expenses nonetheless. The so-called "tax-cuts" did nothing for the average worker. It did much more for the rich and powerful, which is the socioeconomic class that Trump is most concerned with, due to it being his own. He's for himself and his class interests, not the working class.

The so-called "tax-cuts" did nothing for the average worker.

The average worker paid less tax.

It did much more for the rich and powerful

It's true, people who paid more saved more from the tax cut. And?

 

[jc456]

Todd, your defense of tax cuts and deregulation as a benefit to the working class is completely detached from reality. The truth is, laissez-faire economics has historically gutted the American middle class and stripped workers of their rights. The so-called "golden age" of the U.S. economy, the period when we had the strongest middle class, the highest wages, and the most job security, occurred when union membership was at its peak and the wealthiest Americans were paying tax rates as high as 91%. That’s when we built the infrastructure and manufacturing base that made our country strong. Contrast that with the era of deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthy that started in the 1980s, which led to the outsourcing of jobs, the destruction of our manufacturing sector, and the rise of a low-wage, service-based economy.

Supply-side economics has done nothing but concentrate wealth at the top

you simply have zero data to make such a lie.

while leaving the working class to struggle.

Why do tax cuts hurt working people exactly? you didn't answer Todd's initial question.

The deregulation you champion has allowed corporations to undermine workers' rights,

explain what rights? Like Biden did for rail workers vacation pay?

destroy unions, and depress wages.

never happened.

The shift to a finance-driven economy has prioritized speculative trading and Wall Street profits over the well-being of ordinary Americans. Today, over half of Americans live paycheck to paycheck,

why hasn't biden helped them? he made gas 5.00 a gallon and every product increase by 20%. Please, do you have any facts on anything?

a direct result of policies that favor the rich at the expense of everyone else.

that you can't point to.

Deregulation doesn’t empower the working class; it makes their lives more precarious and unsafe while enriching the few at the top.

redundant.

If you’re unwilling to consider a marketless socialist economy,

socialism has never worked. you can't name one successful country with it. Where government doesn't allow private wealth.

 

[TruthNotBS]

any tax paying american. funny how you disingenuous losers can't ever represent the facts.

you have zero ability to know any results. no one does. So any study is a blatant lie.

you don't have any knowledge of this either. that is just a blatant lie. misrepresenting and disinformation.

based on what? show us some figures that imply that.

is a tactic of the demofks, it's the lie they must get out to feed their sheep. lies and lies and lies.
It's obvious you have no idea how the tax system functions.

again, just a demofk tool to feed the demofk sheep. You still haven't answered my question on Reagan! why?

nothing but disinformation, perpetuated by lying demofks for the sheep.

name one biden introduced.

does absolutely nothing, all it does it cause prices to rise taking the higher wage back. it's a fking shell game implemented by demofks for votes.

such as?

where?

where?

whose isn't equal? Are you equal to me?

yet families had more money cause price of goods was low and gas prices were under 2.50 a gallon for most of his term.

who, name someone who was enriched. just mumbo jumbo talking points from demofks.

That's how you debate the issues, you just sling insults and claim all of their evidence is false, without providing how that's the case. You just call your opponent and liar and move on to the next one-liner.

 

[jc456]

I showed you the resolution. Not my problem you don't know the meaning of the words, "as he determines."

yes you did, and it said we authorize!!!! You have to actually know the meaning of the words.

 

[jc456]

That's how you debate the issues, you just sling insults and claim all of their evidence is false, without providing how that's the case. You just call your opponent and liar and move on to the next one-liner.

I followed your lead. You presented no data to support your argument. I asked for it. And you failed again.

oh, and sometimes a lie is too obvious to ignore. Now, can you show data or not?

 

[jc456]

I showed you the resolution. Not my problem you don't know the meaning of the words, "as he determines."

per their authority. again, learn the words meanings.

 

[Faun]

yes you did, and it said we authorize!!!! You have to actually know the meaning of the words.

You still don't understand the conditions of the authorization. Sucks to be you.