YUGE WINNING! Obama's Un-American Mandate Repealed...

[Ray From Cleveland]

IF I took 300.00 a month and put it in a HEALTH CARE medical account I could pay for my own damn health care for decades. And a low cost catastrophic policy would cover getting diabetes or other long term issues.. And it would cost a damn site less than the BS democrats forced down our throats.. we could negotiate with docs to get a decent price for services too.. 60% of costs would go away in nothing flat.. but that would leave dems and special interests without money.. not a bad trade off.. IMHO

What they should do is put people with preexisting conditions on Medicare. Let them buy into a Medicare plan like people who are on disability. The plans are very affordable and it would remove all the high risk customers from the insurance rolls which would reduce premiums considerably.

There would need to be limitations on that as single payer would be the end result.

It would solve a lot of problems. I looked into disability. If you are on disability for 2 years or more, you can buy into Medicare. The plans are in the $200.00 a month range depending on what kind of coverage you want.

The biggest cost for insurance companies are people that do have medical problems, especially serious ones. Putting those people on the insurance rolls with limited ability to charge for coverage and of course insurance will be unaffordable for many others.

Insurance is supposed to be for the unexpected things that could happen--not things that will happen only a matter of time.

 

[Thinker101]

It is a Civil Rights issue...the Government can't force you to buy something.....

Nolte: Obamacare Mandate Repeal Is the Most Important Civil Rights Victory in Years - Breitbart

Going all the way back to 2009, it was obvious Obamacare would end up looking like a Rube Goldberg machine powered by totalitarianism. Who would have ever guessed, though, it was such a fiasco that the mandate would actually cost the government money — a delicious irony that would result in its undoing.
It works like this…

For the sin of being born, Obamacare mandates that every American purchase health insurance. If we do not purchase this totally unnecessary, godawful product (more on this below), we are required by law to pay a hefty tax to the federal government.


Somehow, and I do not really care how, this tax actually costs the government money, some $340 billion — with a “B” — every ten years.

Only Bill Ayers’ pal and his merry band of congressional nincompoops could crawl so far up their own backsides that they were able to find a tax that increases the deficit.

But thank heavens they did. Had they not, the Senate would not have repealed the mandate Friday night.


After the humiliation of failing to keep their defining promise to repeal Obamacare, the Senate turned to tax reform, which also looked sketchy due to deficit projections. But then the clouds parted and the stars aligned with the discovery that repealing the Obamacare mandate would save the government this $340 billion.

Talk about a win-win. Here was a way to kill the most hated (and crucial) part of Obamacare and pass tax cuts. And that is exactly what happened — the American people won a sweet two-fer: lower taxes and freedom from a fascist mandate.

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If I purchase a car, I am voluntarily taking on certain civic responsibilities that require the purchase of insurance. I have no problem with that. The Obamacare mandate is something altogether different.

For no other reason other than the fact I am born, the mandate is the federal government forcing me to buy something. This is nothing less than a legalized violation of my civil rights.

Forget the fact that Obamacare so over-regulates the insurance industry that we are now required to purchase a ridiculously expensive, one-size-fits-all Cadillac plan with a deductible so sky-high most of us will never use it. That is the least of this outrage, and something the Senate still needs to fix.

What I am talking about is the principle of the state forcing you to purchase something for your own good and for the good of others.

Sorry to be crude, but f**k that.

Setting a precedent that allows the government to force me to buy something for my own good is as un-American as it gets. What if studies show that the key to a long life is owning a Bible and gun? Is it okay with you Obamacare fans if Trump and Co. mandates the purchase of those?

So now go after the car insurance mandate and I will belive your civil rights stance.

Apples and oranges. My mother never had auto insurance, neither did her parents. That's because none of them ever drove a car before. If you don't want to pay auto insurance, then you don't have to drive. You don't have that choice with healthcare.

Bull shit ya get caught driving with insurance and ya lose your lisence. Not apples and oranges, there is a penalty for not having it. In my state it means jail time.

Did you miss the part where driving is not required?

Going to the doctor is not required. Either way the government is forcing the purchase whetther you want to call it a tax or a fine you are forced

Great, send me a check to subsidize my car insurance.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It is a Civil Rights issue...the Government can't force you to buy something.....

Nolte: Obamacare Mandate Repeal Is the Most Important Civil Rights Victory in Years - Breitbart

Going all the way back to 2009, it was obvious Obamacare would end up looking like a Rube Goldberg machine powered by totalitarianism. Who would have ever guessed, though, it was such a fiasco that the mandate would actually cost the government money — a delicious irony that would result in its undoing.
It works like this…

For the sin of being born, Obamacare mandates that every American purchase health insurance. If we do not purchase this totally unnecessary, godawful product (more on this below), we are required by law to pay a hefty tax to the federal government.


Somehow, and I do not really care how, this tax actually costs the government money, some $340 billion — with a “B” — every ten years.

Only Bill Ayers’ pal and his merry band of congressional nincompoops could crawl so far up their own backsides that they were able to find a tax that increases the deficit.

But thank heavens they did. Had they not, the Senate would not have repealed the mandate Friday night.


After the humiliation of failing to keep their defining promise to repeal Obamacare, the Senate turned to tax reform, which also looked sketchy due to deficit projections. But then the clouds parted and the stars aligned with the discovery that repealing the Obamacare mandate would save the government this $340 billion.

Talk about a win-win. Here was a way to kill the most hated (and crucial) part of Obamacare and pass tax cuts. And that is exactly what happened — the American people won a sweet two-fer: lower taxes and freedom from a fascist mandate.

------------

If I purchase a car, I am voluntarily taking on certain civic responsibilities that require the purchase of insurance. I have no problem with that. The Obamacare mandate is something altogether different.

For no other reason other than the fact I am born, the mandate is the federal government forcing me to buy something. This is nothing less than a legalized violation of my civil rights.

Forget the fact that Obamacare so over-regulates the insurance industry that we are now required to purchase a ridiculously expensive, one-size-fits-all Cadillac plan with a deductible so sky-high most of us will never use it. That is the least of this outrage, and something the Senate still needs to fix.

What I am talking about is the principle of the state forcing you to purchase something for your own good and for the good of others.

Sorry to be crude, but f**k that.

Setting a precedent that allows the government to force me to buy something for my own good is as un-American as it gets. What if studies show that the key to a long life is owning a Bible and gun? Is it okay with you Obamacare fans if Trump and Co. mandates the purchase of those?

So now go after the car insurance mandate and I will belive your civil rights stance.

Apples and oranges. My mother never had auto insurance, neither did her parents. That's because none of them ever drove a car before. If you don't want to pay auto insurance, then you don't have to drive. You don't have that choice with healthcare.

Bull shit ya get caught driving with insurance and ya lose your lisence. Not apples and oranges, there is a penalty for not having it. In my state it means jail time.

You're missing the key point which is driving is an option. What's the option if you can't afford healthcare insurance---kill yourself?

It's the same thing if you own a home. You can't get or continue a mortgage unless you have house insurance. If you don't want to buy house insurance, you can rent instead.

No criminal offense for not having house insurance and this is entered into contractually throught he note not as a law byt the government

Correct, but it's still an option. If you are a living person, you have no option but to buy insurance or not. It's the law for being alive until now.

 

[evenflow1969]

So now go after the car insurance mandate and I will belive your civil rights stance.

Apples and oranges. My mother never had auto insurance, neither did her parents. That's because none of them ever drove a car before. If you don't want to pay auto insurance, then you don't have to drive. You don't have that choice with healthcare.

Bull shit ya get caught driving with insurance and ya lose your lisence. Not apples and oranges, there is a penalty for not having it. In my state it means jail time.

Did you miss the part where driving is not required?

Going to the doctor is not required. Either way the government is forcing the purchase whetther you want to call it a tax or a fine you are forced

Great, send me a check to subsidize my car insurance.

I would prefer getting rid of the law. Thank you! Thought you were morally against such things. I guess your not a real conservative!

 

[HenryBHough]

Aw.

I was hoping mandates would be expanded. I invented some "educational" toys I hoped to see government mandate that every parent buy two for each child under 26. From me, of course.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And how is hiding the true cost of healthcare behind government subsidies fixing anything?

Because then they can convince their fellow socialists that the plan is working. Look! I sweep floors at Walmart, and thanks to Obama Care, I can now get coverage for fifty dollars a month!

They really believe they are paying their "fair share" and that Obama came out with some brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs. The reality is that other people who make more money than they do are the ones who are paying for their healthcare insurance.

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

Public schools are basically run locally. They are Democrat controlled because they are union. Yes, you can learn about investments in college, but what good is that for those that can't or won't attend college? That's my point.

High schools should have investment programs for those who are not going to get into college. At least that way, there is some hope for their future.

 

[Thinker101]

Apples and oranges. My mother never had auto insurance, neither did her parents. That's because none of them ever drove a car before. If you don't want to pay auto insurance, then you don't have to drive. You don't have that choice with healthcare.

Bull shit ya get caught driving with insurance and ya lose your lisence. Not apples and oranges, there is a penalty for not having it. In my state it means jail time.

Did you miss the part where driving is not required?

Going to the doctor is not required. Either way the government is forcing the purchase whetther you want to call it a tax or a fine you are forced

Great, send me a check to subsidize my car insurance.

I would prefer getting rid of the law. Thank you! Thought you were morally against such things. I guess your not a real conservative!

I figure you'd be just as generous with your money as you want to be with everyone else's.

 

[BluesLegend]

Because then they can convince their fellow socialists that the plan is working. Look! I sweep floors at Walmart, and thanks to Obama Care, I can now get coverage for fifty dollars a month!

They really believe they are paying their "fair share" and that Obama came out with some brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs. The reality is that other people who make more money than they do are the ones who are paying for their healthcare insurance.

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

Public schools are basically run locally. They are Democrat controlled because they are union. Yes, you can learn about investments in college, but what good is that for those that can't or won't attend college? That's my point.

High schools should have investment programs for those who are not going to get into college. At least that way, there is some hope for their future.

Possibly the most retarded statement ever posted. Kids learn that in college brilliant! So kids who don't attend college are screwed and those who do sink themselves into debt the size of a home mortgage for college before they learn anything about personal finance. Holy shit we need a retard of the year award for this poster.

 

[Billy_Bob]

And how is hiding the true cost of healthcare behind government subsidies fixing anything?

Because then they can convince their fellow socialists that the plan is working. Look! I sweep floors at Walmart, and thanks to Obama Care, I can now get coverage for fifty dollars a month!

They really believe they are paying their "fair share" and that Obama came out with some brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs. The reality is that other people who make more money than they do are the ones who are paying for their healthcare insurance.

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

LOL

Your ignorance is stunning..

Entrenched bureaucrats are the reason schools have not changed while persons in power have.. Until we root out the garbage teaching our children lies it will continue and the reason that I as a parent needed to teach it to my children.. I pulled three of my kids from failing lib schools to teach them at home..

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

Public schools are basically run locally. They are Democrat controlled because they are union. Yes, you can learn about investments in college, but what good is that for those that can't or won't attend college? That's my point.

High schools should have investment programs for those who are not going to get into college. At least that way, there is some hope for their future.

Possibly the most retarded statement ever posted. Kids learn that in college brilliant! So kids who don't attend college are screwed and those who do sink themselves into debt the size of a home mortgage for college before they learn anything about personal finance. Holy shit we need a retard of the year award for this poster.

Absolutely. Kids in school think it's cool to knock up some girl and have children before they even graduate. Schools should be teaching these kids finances so they understand the expense and financial burden that comes along with child rearing. They need to understand that having children before you can afford them means at least 20 years in poverty. Then show the kids what they could have otherwise done with that money in investments.

That might make them think about being more responsible in their lives.

 

[jillian]

how stupid do you lowlife loons have to be to cheer for people being unable to buy health insurance.

now go pretend you're a christian.

But that doesn't even do that! All this does is make it easier for people who aren't sick to not buy health insurance until they get sick.

Which means you'll have a lot of people putting off buying health insurance until they are either older or sicker... which means that- wait for it - the insurance companies will have to raise premiums on the rest of us.

I'm pretty sure almost no one here who wails about the Individual Mandate is actually going around without insurance.

I wonder what they are going to say when their premiums go up?

To hell with insurance companies, who gives a shit. The concept of paying into a pool is a fucked up one from the beginning. Only stupid people don’t realize that. Fact

so you don't like insurance companies and paying into pools and think they make enough money.

fair enough.

so you think we should have single payor like most of the rest of the civilized world.

 

[jillian]

Because then they can convince their fellow socialists that the plan is working. Look! I sweep floors at Walmart, and thanks to Obama Care, I can now get coverage for fifty dollars a month!

They really believe they are paying their "fair share" and that Obama came out with some brilliant plan to reduce healthcare costs. The reality is that other people who make more money than they do are the ones who are paying for their healthcare insurance.

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

LOL

Your ignorance is stunning..

Entrenched bureaucrats are the reason schools have not changed while persons in power have.. Until we root out the garbage teaching our children lies it will continue and the reason that I as a parent needed to teach it to my children.. I pulled three of my kids from failing lib schools to teach them at home..

I don't know.... my son had an amazing public school and got into some of the top universities in the world

perhaps you didn't like school and are bitter?

 

[Billy_Bob]

how stupid do you lowlife loons have to be to cheer for people being unable to buy health insurance.

now go pretend you're a christian.

But that doesn't even do that! All this does is make it easier for people who aren't sick to not buy health insurance until they get sick.

Which means you'll have a lot of people putting off buying health insurance until they are either older or sicker... which means that- wait for it - the insurance companies will have to raise premiums on the rest of us.

I'm pretty sure almost no one here who wails about the Individual Mandate is actually going around without insurance.

I wonder what they are going to say when their premiums go up?

To hell with insurance companies, who gives a shit. The concept of paying into a pool is a fucked up one from the beginning. Only stupid people don’t realize that. Fact

so you don't like insurance companies and paying into pools and think they make enough money.

fair enough.

so you think we should have single payor like most of the rest of the civilized world.

Mimicking stupid is a fools errand...

 

[Billy_Bob]

Then there is the damage to the healthcare industry, a part of Obamacare was reducing what doctors are paid. I know doctors who throw Medicaid paperwork in the trash because it cost them more to file the claim to get paid than Medicaid actually pays them.

I was at a local medical imaging center waiting for a CT scan. This man in a wheelchair and his wife came in, the man didn't look like he was doing well, I think he was missing a leg. They came in for an MRI and were turned away because they did not accept Medicaid. The guys wife said we have been all over (liberal caring) Portland, OR and nobody will accept Medicaid. I felt sorry for the guy, but that's your government healthcare right there.

Regulating an industry to death... and the people are the ones who suffer.. Dump the mountain of regs and let the people decide whom they want their care from. Give those on Medicaid a card and let the doctors and patients do what they need to.. Costs would decrease by simply getting government out of the way and a reasonable amount being taken from the patient based on income.

The biggest issue is common economic literacy. Learning how to budget and save money. something foreign to banks interests and charge accounts and the reason they don't want it taught in school.

Every one of my kids was given a book for their 18th birthday called 'The Total Money Make Over'. IT teaches financial responsibility and how to do it.. Best 5 bucks I ever spent..

That's one of the failures of our schools in this country. Ask any high school graduate what he knows about the stock market, the real estate market, bonds, the commodities market, operating your own business, and you will be met with a blank stare.

They don't teach these kids stuff like that because it could make them capitalists, and that's a no-no in a Democrat union school.

This is particularly true in lower income neighborhoods where kids are brought up in single-family households. They truly believe that you have to be born the right color, from the right neighborhood, with the right family name to have any chance as success in this country. Either that or be able to write a good rap song or be very athletic.

That shit is and always has been taught for the most part in college. And by thr fucking way there have been plenty of conservatives around since we started public schooling. Why did the conservatrives not change this? How many times have the republicans been in power since the ince[tion of public schools.

LOL

Your ignorance is stunning..

Entrenched bureaucrats are the reason schools have not changed while persons in power have.. Until we root out the garbage teaching our children lies it will continue and the reason that I as a parent needed to teach it to my children.. I pulled three of my kids from failing lib schools to teach them at home..

I don't know.... my son had an amazing public school and got into some of the top universities in the world

perhaps you didn't like school and are bitter?

LOL

Lib Land ...

My children got into very good Christian schools and have very good jobs today..

 

[HenryBHough]

I don't know.... my son had an amazing public school and got into some of the top universities in the world

perhaps you didn't like school and are bitter?

"some of" (bold face added to make the original claim easier to see)?

How many before finding one (if any) that would put up with......

 

[Rustic]

how stupid do you lowlife loons have to be to cheer for people being unable to buy health insurance.

now go pretend you're a christian.

But that doesn't even do that! All this does is make it easier for people who aren't sick to not buy health insurance until they get sick.

Which means you'll have a lot of people putting off buying health insurance until they are either older or sicker... which means that- wait for it - the insurance companies will have to raise premiums on the rest of us.

I'm pretty sure almost no one here who wails about the Individual Mandate is actually going around without insurance.

I wonder what they are going to say when their premiums go up?

To hell with insurance companies, who gives a shit. The concept of paying into a pool is a fucked up one from the beginning. Only stupid people don’t realize that. Fact

so you don't like insurance companies and paying into pools and think they make enough money.

fair enough.

so you think we should have single payor like most of the rest of the civilized world.

No, Because you can’t trust the government to do anything right. Survival of the fittest is the way it should be

 

[Norman]

The government forcing one to buy something is more how I pictured the 3rd world.

America is greater again.

 

[debbiedowner]

$700 tax on every person who doesn’t want to buy Obamacare.

Bye bye tax on the poor.

Dems are scum. Trump just lowered taxes on the poor.

Well, no, he didn't.

He just raised insurance costs on everyone else.

Wait a second Yahoo, so before Obama care people didn't buy insurance, Obama care came along and raised premiums and deductibles sky high , now you are telling us if we get rid of the mandate it will raise them more?

Not logical

Very logical. Increased premiums could have been fixed if the Republicans had allowed it. Many people have no clue how insurance works.

If you don’t require insurance healthy people will opt out and healthy people are what keeps the cost down. That leaves sicker people needing more care in the system and nothing to offset those costs.

Premiums were going up before ACA, that was one of the reasons for behind the ACA.

Now the healthcare system is spinning like a wildly unbalanced wheel. And many of the people who benefited most from ACA are Trump voters. Ironic.

Why make healthy people pay for unhealthy people? Charity is not charity if it is not 100% voluntary. You sound like a spineless communist

If you've ever had health insurance you paid for unhealthy people at one time. Jesus Christ you have no concept of insurance. None, zilch.

 

[debbiedowner]

If I am driving, slide on some ice and hit another car and I am sued...I won’t lose everything.

If my ranch in Montana is burned down in a wildfire and I have lost everything, I can rebuild because I have insurance.

If my child gets diagnosed with neuroblastoma, I can get her the necessary treatment without losing her home, our savings and everything we own because I have insurance.

And in all those cases, insurance helps to insure those events won’t cause me to end up destitute on public assistance.

That’s fine if you want that, what about those that don’t want that? Why first people in the shit they will not use, do not want and can never afford?

Because with your logic....people will only get it after they are sick meaning healthy people like me who don’t need it yet will be paying a lot more because of them.

Let people buy insurance after they find out they’re sick and/or have to go to The emergency room. To hell with insurance companies.

Yea, that's it just like you do auto insurance after they have totaled their car and take it to be insured. You don't make sense.

 

[debbiedowner]

How do you make leftists? Give them something on transfer of wealth theories, then tell them the Republicans are going to take it away from them. It is a very diabolical, political, strategy.

How do you create Conservatives? Give them a job, then point at Democrats and show the people how they want to take more of their money to give to somebody else! It isn't rocket science.

Not at all... I've been working since I was 16, and what finally got me to stop voting Republican at 46 was the realization that the GOP doesn't give a fuck about the people who do the work. They care about the people who have the money.

you see, what you fuckheads don't realize is that the reason why we have a dependent class is that for people who aren't crazy racists like Ray, whose boss won't even spring for his health insurance despite him being a great producers, is that when you cheat the workers at every turn, they are going to have more loyalty to government than their employers.

Now you know why Democrats fight so hard to consistently raise payouts for doing NOTHING! They have to keep a large % of the population on their modern "plantation," or they will be wiped out again like they were with Reagan!

Um, guy, the reason why Reagan "wiped out" the Democrats (not really, he lost control of Congress) was that Whites made up 83% of the electorate and he was very good at appealling to their racism.

Now they make up 68% and shrinking.

You obviously have never owned a business, the hired help never have skin in the game. And that’s fine that’s just the facts.

Yea, and you'll never convince me you've ever owned a business without any common sense.