0th anniversary of VJ Day: Thank the atomic bomb for saving millions of lives

[Little-Acorn]

And yet, invading Japan was not necessary, so no Marines or Army personnel would have gotten any splinters from bamboo.

Too bad you weren't there to tell the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the U.S. Department of State that their estimates were completely wrong.

Back to the subject:
Military planners estimated that the coming invasion of Japan in 1945-1946 would cost a quarter million Allied lives, plus several million Japanese military and civilian lives.

Instead, the atomic bomb destroyed almost no Allied lives and less than half a million Japanese lives from all causes. Horrific, but far less than the invasion would have taken.

Japanese officials were offering only a stand-down that would leave the pro-war Japanese government intact and in charge - a situation the U.S. rejected for obvious reasons.

BTW, though the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only two we had on hand at that moment, the U.S. was in gear to produce half a dozen more within a few months, and more later as needed. These would have been used on Japan during the invasion if Japan didn't surrender. Fortunately for all involved, the Japanese realized that the U.S. could completely destroy Japan as a country with virtually no U.S. casualties, with the remains divided between America and Russia (who was also invading), and so saw the wisdom of surrendering.

 

[there4eyeM]

Isn't it, though.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Bullshit. Especially considering that they had stockpiled THOUSANDS of kamikaze aircraft to hit an invasion fleet, total bullshit! "Training" a suicide pilot took about two weeks.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The worthless arguments of those who approve of this atrocity have been so often refuted that it is painful and pointless to detail them once more.

TRANSLATION: I can't refute them, so I'll pretend I already have, without providing any details or references, and maybe somebody will believe me.

This is all in support of my preference that we would have invaded Japan instead, destroying many millions of lives. Instead of the less-than-a-million destroyed when we used the Bomb and ended the war quickly.

An apologist for terror, so common these days.

An advocate for the deaths of tens of millions...so evil.

 

[Unkotare]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

And yet, invading Japan was not necessary, so no Marines or Army personnel would have gotten any splinters from bamboo.

Japan refused to surrender how exactly, if we did not use the atomic bombs or invade were we going to force them to surrender? Remember even after 2 bombs the Army attempted a Coup to stop their LIVING GOD emperor from surrendering.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

You obviously never read any real history. In battle after battle the Japanese Soldiers committed suicide or mass wave attacks on allied positions when they lost. In Alaska 700 of them stood in a group and pulled grenade pins when they realized they could not win. In Guadalcanal 1000 of them human waved attack the entire 2nd marine Division and fixed machine gun positions across a river. In Saipian Iwo Jima and every other island battle they committed suicide rather then surrender. In Saipan they ordered the Japanese civilians to suicide rather then be captured and thousands of them did JUST that. In Okinawa when some civilians refused to suicide soldiers tried to kill them with grenades. I have read NUMEROUS historical accounts of the War and you sir are an idiot.

 

[Unkotare]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

You obviously never read any real history. .....

More than you ever will in your life, chump. And if you ever studied any actual Japanese history, you'd find this 'never-ever surrender' thing is an ideal (as it is in the West) rather than a universal reality.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

You obviously never read any real history. .....

More than you ever will in your life, chump.

Not spouting the nonsense you have been spouting. I suppose those dozens of Japanese Soldiers that hide out on pacific island Jungles for 30 years were not real either right? Before Iwo Jima the US had captured something like 1000 Japanese troops alive in all their campaigns. I suppose you believe that the US simply murdered all those supposed Japanese that REALLY wanted to surrender? At Iwo they captured mostly Korean slave labor as the garrison fought almost to the last man. You are an idiot if you think the Japanese soldier or civilian of WW2 would not have obeyed any order from High Command.

 

[Unkotare]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

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[Unkotare]

You are an idiot if you think the Japanese soldier or civilian of WW2 would not have obeyed any order from High Command.

There goes your ignorance again.

 

[blackhawk]

You guys do know that after the Emperor made the decision to surrender after the use of the bombs a faction in the military tried to overthrow him and prevent the surender from being announced right?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Even a factory that is able to function must have raw materials to produce airplanes, and then there must be pilots to fly them. Japan had no more.

Japan did have bamboo and ordered all able body civilians to cut bamboo spears and to human wave assault any landings by the Allies. They were forming those armies at Nagasaki and Hiroshima as well. Saipan and Okinawa proved that the Japanese civilians would obey any order by their Government. MILLIONS of Japanese civilians as young as 12 or 13 as well would have died in the Invasion.

This notion is overplayed. Starving old women and children were not going to die charging US forces. It's s ridiculous notion based on propaganda put out by the Japanese military to try and bolster flagging public support for a lost effort.

And yet On Saipan and Okinawa the Japanese Civilians, also I might add, starving, obeyed the order to commit suicide in mass. ....

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

The whole 'never surrender' thing is overplayed and misunderstood as well.

And I suppose the JAPANESE Civilians on Saipan were considered not really Japanese? You realize Saipan was considered part of main land Japan and was inhabited by ACTUAL Japanese civilians?

I repeat you are a retard if you claim that the Japanese military and civilians would not obey High Command, for 3 years they proved they would do just that including suicide before surrender.

 

[Little-Acorn]

The civilians on Okinawa were lied to by the military government because they were not considered 'really' Japanese, and so were expendable in trying to delay the inevitable.

So many claims, so little evidence or backup. (yawn)

 

[Little-Acorn]

An apologist for terror, so common these days.

An advocate for the deaths of tens of millions...so evil.

Please don't feed the trolls.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Military planners estimated that the coming invasion of Japan in 1945-1946 would cost a quarter million Allied lives, plus several million Japanese military and civilian lives.

Instead, the atomic bomb destroyed almost no Allied lives and less than half a million Japanese lives from all causes. Horrific, but far less than the invasion would have taken.

Japanese officials were offering only a stand-down that would leave the pro-war Japanese government intact and in charge - a situation the U.S. rejected for obvious reasons.

BTW, though the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only two we had on hand at that moment, the U.S. was in gear to produce half a dozen more within a few months, and more later as needed. These would have been used on Japan during the invasion if Japan didn't surrender. Fortunately for all involved, the Japanese realized that the U.S. could completely destroy Japan as a country with virtually no U.S. casualties, with the remains divided between America and Russia (who was also invading), and so saw the wisdom of surrendering.

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70th anniversary of V-J Day Kiss a nuke Hot Air

70th anniversary of V-J Day: Kiss a nuke

by Allan Bourdius
posted at 6:01 pm on August 14, 2015

Seventy years ago today on August 14, 1945, the Japanese Empire announced their surrender to the Allies and the end of World War II. The day (August 15th in Japan) is generally known as “Victory over Japan Day” or “V-J Day”. The official Japanese surrender was signed 19 days later on September 2, 1945, on board the battleship USS Missouri (BB-63) in Tokyo Bay.

During the afternoon of this day seventy years ago, joyous Americans took to the streets to celebrate the end of the war. In New York City’s Times Square, a United States Navy sailor grabbed a woman, a “nurse” (she was actually a dental assistant) he didn’t know, and kissed her right in the middle of the street, the moment captured by two different photographers. It is the iconic image of V-J Day and the end of World War II.

Instead of a nurse, it would have been more fitting if he could have kissed a nuclear weapon. The life he later lived was undoubtedly made possible because of them.

Japan’s surrender was expedited by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima (August 6, 1945) and Nagasaki (August 9, 1945). Had Japan not announced their surrender, the United States would have had the next nuclear strike ready for August 19th, and another in September.

Then, still absent Japan’s surrender, Operation Downfall would begin; the invasion of the Japanese home islands in two parts.

November 1, 1945, “X-Day”, was the scheduled date for Operation Olympic, a landing by 14 American Army and Marine divisions in the initial attack on the island of Kyūshū.

Operation Coronet would follow on “Y-Day”, March 1, 1946 – landings directly into the Tokyo plain on the island of Honshū. Twenty-five divisions. Many more would be ready to reinforce them. Many of the Coronet soldiers would have been those retrained and redeployed after defeating Nazi Germany. Victory in Europe wouldn’t have spared them from more fighting to defeat Japan.

All in all, well over two million American servicemen would have taken part in the invasion of Japan. The United States also had plans for the tactical use of nuclear weapons during the attack, anticipating having an additional seven ready bombs on X-Day.

They would have faced a Japanese enemy who correctly predicted where the landings would take place. They would have faced a Japanese enemy who had changed the training for Kamikaze pilots so they would focus on attacking troop transports and landing ships rather than warships.

Estimates of casualties were wide ranging; the Joint Chiefs of Staff predicted in April 1945 that Olympic alone would cost 456,000 casualties, 109,000 of which would be killed or missing in action.

The same study said the entire campaign – Olympic and Coronet – would result in 1,200,000 total casualties, 267,000 killed or missing.

cool video of v-j day in Hawaii

 

[Unkotare]

Okinawans decry discrimination by mainland Japanese - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun


Being Okinawan in Japan The Diaspora Experience The Asia-Pacific Journal

 

[Little-Acorn]

Many Americans today constantly thank the sciwentists who developed the first atomic bomb, and the politicians and military leaders who decided to use it on Japan, for sparing their father, uncle, grandfather etc. from having to participate in the invasion of Japan in 1945, where there was a significant chance he's have been wounded or killed. The Bomb averted that possibility.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okinawans decry discrimination by mainland Japanese - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun


Being Okinawan in Japan The Diaspora Experience The Asia-Pacific Journal

I notice you KEEP ignoring Saipan. The civilians living there were Japanese. The Island was considered part of Mainland Japan. Remind us why the civilians there committed suicide and how your claim the Government didn't care on Okinawa has anything to do with Saipan?

 

[Unkotare]

Okinawans decry discrimination by mainland Japanese - AJW by The Asahi Shimbun


Being Okinawan in Japan The Diaspora Experience The Asia-Pacific Journal

I notice you KEEP ignoring Saipan. The civilians living there were Japanese....

Some, not all.