11 Facts About the Eric Garner Case the Media Won't Tell You

[Vigilante]

There's plenty of blame to go around here. Officers handled it badly. Garner handled it badly. The officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

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I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

 

[Vigilante]

You have a 6'4 350 pound man, refusing to be arrested...just how much force do you use?... Unfortunately NYPD does not use Tasers!

They shouldnt have arrested him. Initially all they wanted for him to move on from where he was. It escalated all too quickly into fisticuffs. That's a failure on their part.

No, it was a failure on HIS part! He had the option, he chose POORLY!

There was lots of blame to go around. I've said that already.
What were they arresting him for?

Honestly, it was TAX MONEY!

They were arresting him for tax money? Tax money isnt a crime.

In NYS it is!

 

[The Rabbi]

There's plenty of blame to go around here. Officers handled it badly. Garner handled it badly. The officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

============================================

I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

That isnt a cause of arrest. Arrests are made for suspicion of violating the law. What law was he violating? The correct answer is none. That's why the initial contact was not an arrest at all but a request to move on, which quickly escalated out of control.

 

[Vigilante]

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

============================================

I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

That isnt a cause of arrest. Arrests are made for suspicion of violating the law. What law was he violating? The correct answer is none. That's why the initial contact was not an arrest at all but a request to move on, which quickly escalated out of control.

Rabbi, don't act like pond scum over this, he was arrested for selling UNTAXED CIGARETTES! I have no idea if he was told to move on or not, or if it's a lie someone made up to make him look good, I could find NO REFERENCE to this in anything official...if you can please post it!

 

[The Rabbi]

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

============================================

I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

That isnt a cause of arrest. Arrests are made for suspicion of violating the law. What law was he violating? The correct answer is none. That's why the initial contact was not an arrest at all but a request to move on, which quickly escalated out of control.

Rabbi, don't act like pond scum over this, he was arrested for selling UNTAXED CIGARETTES! I have no idea if he was told to move on or not, or if it's a lie someone made up to make him look good, I could find NO REFERENCE to this in anything official...if you can please post it!

I cannot find anything to bare this out. The video doesnt show it. I have no idea why the police approached him initially. But suddenly there were like 5 of them there. Why? What had he done to attract their attention? I dont see it.

 

[Vigilante]

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

============================================

I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

That isnt a cause of arrest. Arrests are made for suspicion of violating the law. What law was he violating? The correct answer is none. That's why the initial contact was not an arrest at all but a request to move on, which quickly escalated out of control.

Rabbi, don't act like pond scum over this, he was arrested for selling UNTAXED CIGARETTES! I have no idea if he was told to move on or not, or if it's a lie someone made up to make him look good, I could find NO REFERENCE to this in anything official...if you can please post it!

I cannot find anything to bare this out. The video doesnt show it. I have no idea why the police approached him initially. But suddenly there were like 5 of them there. Why? What had he done to attract their attention? I dont see it.

When he started to RESIST ARREST, the officers called for ASSISTANCE, that is when the Black, Female Sgt. showed up, BEFORE any physical contact occurred. They ALWAYS call for a supervisor when there is a PROBLEM, as no officer wants the RESPONSIBILITY of MAKING A DECISION if he doesn't have to....especially now that the current mayor has decreed that the police can be SUED CIVILLY for any of their actions taken.... That's why a SUPERVISOR is supposed to be there, and IN CHARGE!

 

[MaryL]

Is there a reason to resist arrest that I haven't heard of yet? All Garner had to do is comply with officers. Is there a legal reason why you think he should have resisted?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

============================================

I think we ought to expect to see some "sensitivity" from those police at about the third "I can't breathe".

Eleven is too many. Its Negligent Homicide.

IF he can't breathe, he can't speak! ......Try it!

BTW the cause for his arrest was this.....I found out today that there are HUNDREDS of these people selling UNTAXED cigarettes from out of state and skipping the tax on them. It's so bad that the police have to ARREST these people, instead of just giving them a desk appearance ticket so they can CONFISCATE the cigarettes they are selling.... In the mean time, the cigarettes recovered, and some recoveries have been TRUCK LOADS, are then RESOLD to venders that have SPECIAL licenses from the state to RESELL these cigarettes again IN STATE, supposedly brings in a few MILLION dollars a year!

That isnt a cause of arrest. Arrests are made for suspicion of violating the law. What law was he violating? The correct answer is none. That's why the initial contact was not an arrest at all but a request to move on, which quickly escalated out of control.

That's not really true. police have discretion and can ignore minor law violations, or just tell the person to move on.

Take the Brown situation, no doubt if they hadn't cursed at Wilson and acted like idiots, he would have kept on driving after telling them to get out of the road.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Is there a reason to resist arrest that I haven't heard of yet? All Garner had to do is comply with officers. Is there a legal reason why you think he should have resisted?

You ABSOLUTELY have the right to resist an unlawful arrest. BUT the onus is on you to prove the arrest was unlawful.

"I was innocent" doesn't make the arrest unlawful.

 

[healthmyths]

There's plenty of blame to go around here. Officers handled it badly. Garner handled it badly. The officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

So would you suggest they throw a net over him?
I am like most Americans, when a law officer tells me something I will do what he asks.
Garner had experienced 30 arrests he should have had experience enough NOT to resist.
Stupidity not racist as the Sharptons of the world are making it out to be.
Will there be two different kinds of treatment for whites and for blacks now? Whites obey but blacks don't need to?

 

[Bill Angel]

There's plenty of blame to go around here. Officers handled it badly. Garner handled it badly. The officers are supposed to be trained professionals.

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

Always. You always try to use the least amount of force to deal with the situation you can. That's just a basic police principle.

You have a 6'4 350 pound man, refusing to be arrested...just how much force do you use?... Unfortunately NYPD does not use Tasers!

Tasers have been utilized by the NYPD in the past.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/nyregion/police-study-use-of-force-may-issue-more-tasers.html

 

[Porker]

You have a 6'4 350 pound man, refusing to be arrested...just how much force do you use?... Unfortunately NYPD does not use Tasers!

They shouldnt have arrested him. Initially all they wanted for him to move on from where he was. It escalated all too quickly into fisticuffs. That's a failure on their part.[/QUOTE]

What? Only for black people resisting arrest? That's the fault of the police department? Bullshit.

 

[Vigilante]

Then the black, Female Sgt. in charge of the detail, HOLDS THE BAG for not handling it correctly... Isn't THAT why she is the supervisor?

From the video none of them were aces. They went to force escalation pretty quickly rather than being more sensitive. Maybe they would have ended up doing it anyway. I dont know.

When has it been the police's job to be sensitive? They're authoritarians, they have the badge and gun!

Always. You always try to use the least amount of force to deal with the situation you can. That's just a basic police principle.

You have a 6'4 350 pound man, refusing to be arrested...just how much force do you use?... Unfortunately NYPD does not use Tasers!

Tasers have been utilized by the NYPD in the past.
See http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/nyregion/police-study-use-of-force-may-issue-more-tasers.html

They were only issued to Emergency Service officers, and as your article states they are NOT available to officers currently.

 

[Vigilante]

You have a 6'4 350 pound man, refusing to be arrested...just how much force do you use?... Unfortunately NYPD does not use Tasers!

They shouldnt have arrested him. Initially all they wanted for him to move on from where he was. It escalated all too quickly into fisticuffs. That's a failure on their part.

What? Only for black people resisting arrest? That's the fault of the police department? Bullshit.[/QUOTE]

Yes, your OPINION means about as much as your post!

 

[Porker]

What? Only for black people resisting arrest? That's the fault of the police department? Bullshit.

Yes, your OPINION means about as much as your post![/QUOTE]

I think you and I see eye to eye...you must have misinterpreted my post because the police sure the hell don't coddle white people.

 

[Vigilante]

What? Only for black people resisting arrest? That's the fault of the police department? Bullshit.

Yes, your OPINION means about as much as your post!

I think you and I see eye to eye...you must have misinterpreted my post because the police sure the hell don't coddle white people.[/QUOTE]

NOW, we are straight!

 

[Manonthestreet]

But what makes the Garner case so much different than Michael Brown’s is that the Staten Island killing can’t be called a racial incident.

Pantaleo who applied the lethal chokehold on Eric Garner was supervised by an African-American female NYPD sergeant.
Having that black sergeant in charge of that crime scene takes race out of the equation. As awful as Pantaleo’s actions appear on that video, at no time does that black sergeant order Pantaleo to stop choking Garner. Decision not to indict cop in Eric Garner death a disgrace - NY Daily News

 

[Siete]

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/#ixzz3KzEJ8JTk

who needs the media? You're one of the best at stirring the shit to ever kick over an outhouse.[/QUOTE]

 

[Vigilante]

1. There is no doubt that Garner was resisting an arrest for illegally selling untaxed cigarettes. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik put it succinctly: "You cannot resist arrest. If Eric Garner did not resist arrest, the outcome of this case would have been very different," he told Newsmax. "He wouldn't be dead today.

"Regardless of what the arrest was for, the officers don't have the ability to say, 'Well, this is a minor arrest, so we're just going to ignore you.'"

2. The video of the July 17 incident clearly shows Garner, an African-American, swatting away the arms of a white officer seeking to take him into custody, telling him: "Don't touch me!"

3. Garner, 43, had history of more than 30 arrests dating back to 1980, on charges including assault and grand larceny.

4. At the time of his death, Garner was out on bail after being charged with illegally selling cigarettes, driving without a license, marijuana possession and false impersonation.

5. The chokehold that Patrolman Daniel Pantaleo put on Garner was reported to have contributed to his death. But Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Pantaleo's attorney and police union officials argued that Garner's poor health was the main cause of his death.

6. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later.

7. Much has been made of the fact that the use of chokeholds by police is prohibited in New York City. But officers reportedly still use them. Between 2009 and mid-2014, the Civilian Complaint Review Board received 1,128 chokehold allegations.

Patrick Lynch, president of the New York City Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, said: "It was clear that the officer's intention was to do nothing more than take Mr. Garner into custody as instructed, and that he used the takedown technique that he learned in the academy when Mr. Garner refused."

8. The grand jury began hearing the case on Sept. 29 and did not reach a decision until Wednesday, so there is much testimony that was presented that has not been made public.

9. The 23-member grand jury included nine non-white jurors.

10. In order to find Officer Pantaleo criminally negligent, the grand jury would have had to determine that he knew there was a "substantial risk" that Garner would have died due to the takedown.

11. Less than a month after Garner's death, Ramsey Orta, who shot the much-viewed videotape of the encounter, was indicted on weapons charges. Police alleged that Orta had slipped a .25-caliber handgun into a teenage accomplice's waistband outside a New York hotel.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.Newsmax.com/Newsfront/eric-garner-chokehold-grand-jury-police/2014/12/04/id/611058/#ixzz3KzEJ8JTk

who needs the media? You're one of the best at stirring the shit to ever kick over an outhouse.

[/QUOTE]

Open your mouth or you supper will get away!

 

[ninja007]

Condolences to the Garner family.

I've sold loose cigarettes several times in the past. It is bullshit to suffer like this for such a juvenile act.

I guess you missed V's points post about Garner? And the fact he was resisting arrest.